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Okay, that was plain funny.biggrin.gif

So, i guess that i would actually need to stress less, no?

I wouldn't worry about it.
European men dress neater than North American men.
North Americans dress like slobs in public compared to Europeans.
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Yeah man you should stress less about what other people think of your looks. Seeing the replies, I'm guessing that "man purse" thing is probably country dependant. Over here lots of guys have purses or small bags to hold their wallet, phone, cash, etc. Particularly during summer when you can't stuff all that in your coat. I sometimes carry one. My grand father carried a brown leather one his whole life and no one would ever have questioned his manliness. As long as it has masculine colours, fabric and shape I doubt anyone would notice.


Edited by caml - 4/24/15 at 4:29am
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Yeah man you should stress less about what other people think of your looks. Seeing the replies, I'm guessing that "man purse" thing is probably country dependant. Over here lots of guys have purses or small bags to hold their wallet, phone, cash, etc. Particularly during summer when you can't stuff all that in your coat. I sometimes carry one. My grand father carried a brown leather one his whole life and no one would ever have questioned his manliness. As long as it has masculine colours, fabric and shape I doubt anyone would notice.

thanks

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I wouldn't worry about it.
European men dress neater than North American men.
North Americans dress like slobs in public compared to Europeans.

thanks

 

 

 

truth is that i actually liked the fact that i was able to got a thing that look like it could take a beating...

 

all until today, when i actually used it outside...

 

Next ideea of mine would be that if i buy something to carry the stack in, it should not be so thick, the stack ran kind of hot because it could not disspate heat. I am going to use this until i will fiind something that fits better the needed description, but most of other stuff for carrying are too flimsy, seem like they would break easily

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If anyone has an experience in comparing the following, do you prefer the E12, E12 DIY (Stock) or E12A w/ the HD600 or HD650? Fiio rates all of them up to 300ohms, but I see their power output varies a bit. Thanks! (I'll ask on the other threads as well.) 

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If anyone has an experience in comparing the following, do you prefer the E12, E12 DIY (Stock) or E12A w/ the HD600 or HD650? Fiio rates all of them up to 300ohms, but I see their power output varies a bit. Thanks! (I'll ask on the other threads as well.) 

So how many people do you think have had all three at the same time to be able to A/B them? I have a E12 and HD600, they work well together. I'd pick the amp that has the greatest voltage swing (Vp-p) at the best price, which is probably the vanilla E12.

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So how many people do you think have had all three at the same time to be able to A/B them? I have a E12 and HD600, they work well together. I'd pick the amp that has the greatest voltage swing (Vp-p) at the best price, which is probably the vanilla E12.

 

I don't really know how many people have all three; I know of at least one beadfier. Some people may have two of them though and have A/B'd; I'd be happy to hear their impressions. I find that many people on Headfi like to do such comparisons!

 

Glad you like the E12! 


Edited by imackler - 4/24/15 at 9:03am
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I don't really know how many people have all three; I know of at least one beadfier. Some people may have two of them though and have A/B'd; I'd be happy to hear their impressions. I find that many people on Headfi like to do such comparisons!

 

Glad you like the E12! 

I did an in-depth comparation. as i said on the other thread, e12a is more worth it.

 

E12 is great for hd800 and the few harder to drive, but even then, i would like an e12a more, it has a particular sound, with more soundstage.

 

To continue this here, as your hd600 and hd650 need a little more power, how do you want them to sound? e12a is colorless, where e12 is colorless, but kind of has a smaller soundstage and not such a black background. though, with hd600 and 650, i was not able to really tell that e12 had a colored background. with 64 ohm ultrasone dj one pro, i was able to tell that e12a has a blacker background.


Edited by skerry2006aj - 4/24/15 at 9:21am
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I did an in-depth comparation. as i said on the other thread, e12a is more worth it.

 

E12 is great for hd800 and the few harder to drive, but even then, i would like an e12a more, it has a particular sound, with more soundstage.

 

To continue this here, as your hd600 and hd650 need a little more power, how do you want them to sound? e12a is colorless, where e12 is colorless, but kind of has a smaller soundstage and not such a black background. though, with hd600 and 650, i was not able to really tell that e12 had a colored background. with 64 ohm ultrasone dj one pro, i was able to tell that e12a has a blacker background.

What property of an amp affects soundstage? Soundstage is recorded spacial cues, it is affected by the source material and headphones.

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What property of an amp affects soundstage? Soundstage is recorded spacial cues, it is affected by the source material and headphones.

With both sennheiser ie8 and ultrasone dj one pro i get more soundstage. this is also reported by most users of e12a. i think that the black background is responsible for this? maybe it has a way of pushing mids back [uneven presentation]?

 

Maybe it is truly colorless while other amps i tried colored the music, which given the sensation of less soundstage.

 

I cannot say what exactly is soundstage, or how an amp affects it, i am the most skeptickal person in the world when it comes to something like this, but after i heared it, it was impossible to say it was not this way.

 

I know how localization of sound and brain works in depth, but i am clueless as to why e12a has more soundstage, i can only say that it should not, but with my headphones/iems it has.

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Originally Posted by skerry2006aj View Post
 

With both sennheiser ie8 and ultrasone dj one pro i get more soundstage. this is also reported by most users of e12a. i think that the black background is responsible for this? maybe it has a way of pushing mids back [uneven presentation]?

 

Maybe it is truly colorless while other amps i tried colored the music, which given the sensation of less soundstage.

 

I cannot say what exactly is soundstage, or how an amp affects it, i am the most skeptickal person in the world when it comes to something like this, but after i heared it, it was impossible to say it was not this way.

 

I know how localization of sound and brain works in depth, but i am clueless as to why e12a has more soundstage, i can only say that it should not, but with my headphones/iems it has.

The problem is that human Echoic memory is very short, on the order of a scant few seconds, so the comparison of fine details can only be done with a fast A/B using a switch. As I sais soundstage is based upon recorded spacial cues, thsi is something that an amp does not change, A change in treble response can affect our perceptoin of these cues, however, amps have a flat FR and no discernable phase shifts. Expectation bias, suggestion, etc are human properties that can make us believe.

The electronics here are very simple, no magical properties.

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The problem is that human Echoic memory is very short, on the order of a scant few seconds, so the comparison of fine details can only be done with a fast A/B using a switch. As I sais soundstage is based upon recorded spacial cues, thsi is something that an amp does not change, A change in treble response can affect our perceptoin of these cues, however, amps have a flat FR and no discernable phase shifts. Expectation bias, suggestion, etc are human properties that can make us believe.

The electronics here are very simple, no magical properties.

the difference is not fine, it is quite big, and entire notes sound different than on e12. Portions of songs have a total different tonality, but i cannot say which one is colored and which is not. maybe both are coloured, but in a different way, a total flat response amp is impossble to create, as i remember.

 

Both are great pieces of kit, imho, and each has it's use.

 

But e12 is far more fiable for iems, as most sources have some hiss, and e12a is totally silent. this really makes ie8 shine, with e12 or x5 alone i get enough hiss.

 

Also, both e12 and e12a seem to have better interferrence rejection, as with x5 in my pocket, if i do not stack it i get bad interferrence from my smartphone.

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Originally Posted by skerry2006aj View Post
 

the difference is not fine, it is quite big, and entire notes sound different than on e12. Portions of songs have a total different tonality, but i cannot say which one is colored and which is not. maybe both are coloured, but in a different way, a total flat response amp is impossble to create, as i remember.

 

Both are great pieces of kit, imho, and each has it's use.

 

But e12 is far more fiable for iems, as most sources have some hiss, and e12a is totally silent. this really makes ie8 shine, with e12 or x5 alone i get enough hiss.

 

Also, both e12 and e12a seem to have better interferrence rejection, as with x5 in my pocket, if i do not stack it i get bad interferrence from my smartphone.

Differences in noise I can believe in, however, soundstage not. You haven't defined the property that affects soundstage.

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Differences in noise I can believe in, however, soundstage not. You haven't defined the property that affects soundstage.

i do not contradict you, maybe it is not about soundstage but noise. Maybe soundstage is what i hear now, with a black background. On IEMs the noise really destroys soundstage.

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Originally Posted by imackler View Post
 

If anyone has an experience in comparing the following, do you prefer the E12, E12 DIY (Stock) or E12A w/ the HD600 or HD650? Fiio rates all of them up to 300ohms, but I see their power output varies a bit. Thanks! (I'll ask on the other threads as well.) 


I had all three untill two weeks ago. I sold the DIY because I am too lazy to exchange opamps and buffs. I bought the E12a which is the result of many DIY owners dremeling the aluminum shell of the DIY down so the the Muses opamps would fit. I got the result without dremeling myself. How do they compare? All three can drive the HD650 and HD700 with authority and all can be used on low gain doing so. My volume pot setting with my Ipod Classic LOD (European capped version) is between 10 and 12 o'clock. Again on low gain. The standard E12 is the loudest, but only by a half hour  regarding the volume pot position. Sound wise the differences do not stand a real blind test for me. Honestly, go get the standard if you like black or silver, go get the E12A if you prefer gunmetal. It is that easy. I take the one that is charged with me when I go to work.

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