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Surprising how many people say they would prefer the original bass boost.
Personally, I find the V2 bass boost to be rather excessive.
wait...so which do you like?
post #3377 of 3389
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wait...so which do you like?

 

Sorry about that, I've never heard the V1 bass boost, but typically I like a more subtle bass boost than what V2 gives you, so my vote goes to bass boost V1.

post #3378 of 3389
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Sorry about that, I've never heard the V1 bass boost, but typically I like a more subtle bass boost than what V2 gives you, so my vote goes to bass boost V1.


i have no choice but to officially join the v1 bass boost club too. i have one and it has won shootouts against the Cayin C5, the current E12 and the E12A for use with my HD600's. BUT, i still do find the v1 a bit too subtle much of the time, which is why i keep bringing in challengers.

 

incidentally the E12A bass boost falls somewhere in between the v1 and the current E12, to my ear. but being an IEM amp it just doesn't quite have the power to drive my HD600's effectively, otherwise it would be my new #1. if there is ever an actual V2 release of the E12 i would buy it without hesitation if it were simply the E12A with more power. or in other words the ideal E12 for me would be:

 

- v1 bass boost, maybe with another 1-2dB added

- smooth moving volume knob (like the current E12 and the E12A)

- non-recessed gain switch

- i guess i'd also keep the cross feed for old recordings, but again with a non-recessed switch


Edited by bzippy - 2/23/15 at 9:44pm
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If you run the HD600 from the E12A what is missing compared to the E12 V1? Is it only the bass boost quantity?
post #3380 of 3389
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post

If you run the HD600 from the E12A what is missing compared to the E12 V1? Is it only the bass boost quantity?

The e12 was initially released with a bass boost centered at 30Hz. Many people said it was too low so FiiO quickly changed the boost to center at 50Hz so there are very few v1 units in the wild.

They both offer +5db bass boost, just centered at different frequencies.

The e12A is built specifically for IEMs with 420mW@16 Ohms resistance. The regular e12 (v1 and v2) output 880mW@32 Ohms so with the e12A you're getting less than half the output power of the regular e12.

Also, the e12A doesn't have crossfeed.
Edited by x RELIC x - 2/24/15 at 3:50am
post #3381 of 3389
I have the E12 v2/DIY/A on hand. I like the A version best with all my cans. My question was more why the A cannot properly drive the HD650. I know it has less power, but only by a small margin.
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I have the E12 v2/DIY/A on hand. I like the A version best with all my cans. My question was more why the A cannot properly drive the HD650. I know it has less power, but only by a small margin.
E12A: 10.3 Vp-p

E12:  15 Vp-p

 

That means the E12 might reach almost 94 mW and the E12A around 44 mW. That's about 3.3 dB. Maybe that extra 3.3 dB allows non A to be played a touch louder whereas our tonal perception is more sensitive to bass and treble with increased volume.

post #3383 of 3389
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post

If you run the HD600 from the E12A what is missing compared to the E12 V1? Is it only the bass boost quantity?

 

no. in fact the bass boost on the A is bigger and more pronounced. i actually prefer it to the E12 v1. it's one of the reasons why i said above my ideal E12 would simply be the E12A with the power of the E12.

 

what's missing is something that's a little hard to put my finger on. it's flatter, less alive overall. more confined. from what i've read it has to do with the fact that the E12A simply doesn't have the power to drive my HD600's like the E12 does. i imagine i'd have the opposite opinion if i had low impedance cans or iem's because all specs on the A look like upgrades to the E12.

 

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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post

I have the E12 v2/DIY/A on hand. I like the A version best with all my cans. My question was more why the A cannot properly drive the HD650. I know it has less power, but only by a small margin.

no, it is significantly less power. like half, as StanD shows above. and it's not about volume, as i have learned. they both reach my preferred listening volume at less than half way on the dial. like i said, there is just an overall 'less amazing' quality to the sound when your cans are underpowered.


Edited by bzippy - 2/24/15 at 5:47pm
post #3384 of 3389
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i actually prefer it to the E12 v1. it's one of the reasons why i said above my ideal E12 would simply be the E12A with the power of the E12.

 

I'm going to be sad the day the battery gives out in my E12v1. I haven't done any searching yet (sorry), but do you (or anyone) know if the battery can be replaced?

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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

 

I'm going to be sad the day the battery gives out in my E12v1. I haven't done any seaimagine ching yet (sorry), but do you (or anyone) know if the battery can be replaced?

 

Oh man, don't even make me think about that. No, from what i've read the battery cannot be replaced except by FiiO. It's hard to imagine shipping it to China, but if it is still the only amp i can live with and i can't find a replacement then i dunno, maybe.

post #3386 of 3389
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Oh man, don't even make me think about that. No, from what i've read the battery cannot be replaced except by FiiO. It's hard to imagine shipping it to China, but if it is still the only amp i can live with and i can't find a replacement then i dunno, maybe.

 

I'd probably go for it getting it shipped to Fiio, assuming it didn't cost toooo much. I use it as my desktop amp, and I switch it over for stereo/TV use at night, so I use and rely on that puppy mucho lol.

 

I suppose another option once the battery dies would be to just keep it plugged in all of the time. That would be far from ideal, but I'd do it just to be able to keep using it!

post #3387 of 3389
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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post
 

 

I'd probably go for it getting it shipped to Fiio, assuming it didn't cost toooo much. I use it as my desktop amp, and I switch it over for stereo/TV use at night, so I use and rely on that puppy mucho lol.

 

I suppose another option once the battery dies would be to just keep it plugged in all of the time. That would be far from ideal, but I'd do it just to be able to keep using it!

no good options, really. i have even considered watching out for deals and snagging a second v1 for the future (there's one in the classifieds right now i noticed). incidentally, does anyone know about how many v1's they made?

 

i'm actually holding on to hope that at some point FiiO will have an updated offering for all of us subtle bass boost devotees, considering how good they are about reacting to customer feedback. and i don't believe this is just false hope cuz as i said above their current flagship portable amp (E12A) has a very nice & subtle bass boost. so they clearly see the value in it.

 

btw, what are you driving with your v1?

post #3388 of 3389
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Originally Posted by bzippy View Post

 

Oh man, don't even make me think about that. No, from what i've read the battery cannot be replaced except by FiiO. It's hard to imagine shipping it to China, but if it is still the only amp i can live with and i can't find a replacement then i dunno, maybe.

 

 

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Originally Posted by waynes world View Post

 

I'd probably go for it getting it shipped to Fiio, assuming it didn't cost toooo much. I use it as my desktop amp, and I switch it over for stereo/TV use at night, so I use and rely on that puppy mucho lol.

 

I suppose another option once the battery dies would be to just keep it plugged in all of the time. That would be far from ideal, but I'd do it just to be able to keep using it!

 

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Originally Posted by bzippy View Post
 

no good options, really. i have even considered watching out for deals and snagging a second v1 for the future (there's one in the classifieds right now i noticed). incidentally, does anyone know about how many v1's they made?

 

i'm actually holding on to hope that at some point FiiO will have an updated offering for all of us subtle bass boost devotees, considering how good they are about reacting to customer feedback. and i don't believe this is just false hope cuz as i said above their current flagship portable amp (E12A) has a very nice & subtle bass boost. so they clearly see the value in it.

 

Yes, @JamesFiiO is rather awesome at that! (hint hint!)

 

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btw, what are you driving with your v1? 

 

Iems, headphones, everything. Including my power hungry T50RP's and AKG240 Sextetts. And all very happily :-)

post #3389 of 3389
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Originally Posted by bzippy View Post
 

no good options, really. i have even considered watching out for deals and snagging a second v1 for the future (there's one in the classifieds right now i noticed). incidentally, does anyone know about how many v1's they made?

 

i'm actually holding on to hope that at some point FiiO will have an updated offering for all of us subtle bass boost devotees, considering how good they are about reacting to customer feedback. and i don't believe this is just false hope cuz as i said above their current flagship portable amp (E12A) has a very nice & subtle bass boost. so they clearly see the value in it.

 

btw, what are you driving with your v1?

 

If I recall correctly, a batch of 200 units was manufactured for Chinese market only.

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