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post #2086 of 3708
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

How was the bass boost in the end,

 

I heard people mentioning there where Bass Light and Bass Heavy models, the initial bass light models having much Tighter bass, and the Heavy being a little more bloated

 

I'm going to revist the Mad Dogs, but I want a neutral and more airy amp. The E11 did not perform well enough for me with my hm 601 line out and the Mad Dogs, Looking at the LME op amps in the E12 I'm already sold. But I'm still curious about the bass... there will be times when I'd rather have the Tightness reported in the Early Light Versions and times I'd want the Darker Heavy bass

 

does the E12 have 2 boost options like in the E11? [Sadly my Mad Dogs will be my only portable Closed can, as there's no way in hell I'm carrying my Ath w1000x to College q.q]

 

So I'd like an overall neutral and airy amp [which the e12 sounds like with those LME ops] Which the issues I had with the E11 and it's bass might be resolved. Still any thoughts on the DIfferent Bass Variants, is the Bass Light Version being sold again, via the "Special" kit being sold? 

 

I have the E12 and Mad Dogs. I'm kind of a bass head so I generally listen to my music with the bass boost turned on when i have it paired with the MD's (I turn it off while using the M100's). Against the MD's the E12 feels bass light without the boost on.

post #2087 of 3708
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Originally Posted by martybm5 View Post

 

I have the E12 and Mad Dogs. I'm kind of a bass head so I generally listen to my music with the bass boost turned on when i have it paired with the MD's (I turn it off while using the M100's). Against the MD's the E12 feels bass light without the boost on.

Good to know for my I like my Nu Jazz Un boosted and my Edm boosted, now the other question is. I'm also looking at the JDS C5, which has a bigger Sub Bass Boost [stupid whiny ppl] So I'd rather have that 80 hrz 6db over the e12 4.2db at 100hrz

 

Still, how is the treble. I had a cMoy and that op2227 was just so congested. Ultimatley bass will not be the issue [well if it's too much into the mids it will b] the biggest thing is the Highs and the mids, I sold my Mad Dogs because they where way to Mid Heavy with my Hybrid Tube amps. But Now I'm starting school as ofc I need them back [for that sexy isolation]

 

With the revisions to the Mad Dogs they shouldn't be as dark, non the less how is the Treble and the sound stage? The Mad Dogs sounded MEGA cramped on a crappy amp [ike the cMoy], so the E12 should be powerful enough to scale it well enough to have a good sound stage [my clear top tube did just so]

 

Non the less how is the treble and the sound stage, and how are the voices! Songs Like Adele I enjoy, and on the EDM side give In My System a listen [by Nu Tone]

 

Quite Frankly I still want a closed can to have what the Dt 880 and w1000x have, an overall airy balanced sound stage, with a little color [I've modded my w1000x btw] 

 

So I want a portable Version of my LME 49990 Matrix M Stage with a bass boost xD [I still think the FiiO will be that] 

post #2088 of 3708

     IT really depends on the cans you hook to it , the natural sound is nice and warm, with a bass heavy set of phones. But when you want it turn the bass up and it does quiet a bit of difference. 

The power difference from the E11 makes up for the lack of a 2 stage bass boost!!!!!! IT depends on what you want in sound for cans ....... But either way you get the best sound quality possible from a portable amp..

post #2089 of 3708
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Originally Posted by johnlittle879 View Post

     IT really depends on the cans you hook to it , the natural sound is nice and warm, with a bass heavy set of phones. But when you want it turn the bass up and it does quiet a bit of difference. 

The power difference from the E11 makes up for the lack of a 2 stage bass boost!!!!!! IT depends on what you want in sound for cans ....... But either way you get the best sound quality possible from a portable amp..

Sound wise I want Sound Stage, deeper bass not so much punchy and airy treble. Ofc the C5 thread has confirmed that once again the Fiio E12 is [like other fiio amps] dark and warm [not bad things, in fact [Damn it] Fiio Amps pair amazingly well with my Dt 990s. They bass is unreal]

 

Which leaves me once again stuck... the C5 and e12 seems to have different sound signitures... and I had an E11 and a cMoy in the past for that very reason [e11 with my 990s, cMoy with my 880s] xD I'm gonna be mad If I have to go that route again [not really though <3]

post #2090 of 3708
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

Good to know for my I like my Nu Jazz Un boosted and my Edm boosted, now the other question is. I'm also looking at the JDS C5, which has a bigger Sub Bass Boost [stupid whiny ppl] So I'd rather have that 80 hrz 6db over the e12 4.2db at 100hrz

 

Still, how is the treble. I had a cMoy and that op2227 was just so congested. Ultimatley bass will not be the issue [well if it's too much into the mids it will b] the biggest thing is the Highs and the mids, I sold my Mad Dogs because they where way to Mid Heavy with my Hybrid Tube amps. But Now I'm starting school as ofc I need them back [for that sexy isolation]

 

With the revisions to the Mad Dogs they shouldn't be as dark, non the less how is the Treble and the sound stage? The Mad Dogs sounded MEGA cramped on a crappy amp [ike the cMoy], so the E12 should be powerful enough to scale it well enough to have a good sound stage [my clear top tube did just so]

 

Non the less how is the treble and the sound stage, and how are the voices! Songs Like Adele I enjoy, and on the EDM side give In My System a listen [by Nu Tone]

 

Quite Frankly I still want a closed can to have what the Dt 880 and w1000x have, an overall airy balanced sound stage, with a little color [I've modded my w1000x btw] 

 

So I want a portable Version of my LME 49990 Matrix M Stage with a bass boost xD [I still think the FiiO will be that] 

Honestly I really like the vocals on the MD's also. I will say that most people feel that the newer version leans more dark than previous versions. To me, he's got it dialed in just right on the current version but if you felt that the 3.0's and 3.1's were too dark you may want to PM Dan.

 

As far as the E12 goes, I feel they push the MD's very well but the MD's suck up as much power as you give them. The general consensus seems to be that more you give them, the better they sound (which seems to explain why the vintage receivers work well with tthe MD's).

 

I dont think you'll find something at the E12's price point that will push the MD's better

post #2091 of 3708
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Originally Posted by martybm5 View Post

Honestly I really like the vocals on the MD's also. I will say that most people feel that the newer version leans more dark than previous versions. To me, he's got it dialed in just right on the current version but if you felt that the 3.0's and 3.1's were too dark you may want to PM Dan.

 

As far as the E12 goes, I feel they push the MD's very well but the MD's suck up as much power as you give them. The general consensus seems to be that more you give them, the better they sound (which seems to explain why the vintage receivers work well with tthe MD's).

 

I dont think you'll find something at the E12's price point that will push the MD's better

Indeed, I can agree with that completely. And I wonder if Dan would tune me a Brighter MD [has doubts] but it might be worth a shot. That was the comfyiest most well isolating can I'd worn to date <3 

 

Still I read over his release of the 3.2 and ppl where saying it was brighter, the bass was a little deeper and the sound overall was a little tigher. And yea the issue I had with it orignally was a lack of power, the more power it gets the better it sounds, and I didn't have enough... 

post #2092 of 3708

Screw the MDs, they just seem to fickle with amps

 

Going with the K550 and a Hifiman Hm 601, 

 

Now that being said. I've got a lean Mid.Bright can a Warm Dap and for my amp will the E12 keep the sound mostly balanced. I will say my old cMoy had more lush mids than me E11, so if the E11 sound sig is simmilar [hopefully less refined] than the E12s I'd think it would work well for the K550 [if the e12 has a little more mids that'd b nice to] 

post #2093 of 3708
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

No bass heavy or bass light versions.

 

There was the pre production units with the bass boost focussed on the sub bass, and the retail release units that featured mid bass bass boost.

 

People complained about boosting sub bass and not mid bass so FiiO changed it. 


Wth.

 

What kind of audiophile wants their mid bass to be boosted? Even my DT48 will give satisfying mid bass, but the sub bass is what they lack. A weird decision.

post #2094 of 3708
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

How was the bass boost in the end,

I heard people mentioning there where Bass Light and Bass Heavy models, the initial bass light models having much Tighter bass, and the Heavy being a little more bloated

I'm going to revist the Mad Dogs, but I want a neutral and more airy amp. The E11 did not perform well enough for me with my hm 601 line out and the Mad Dogs, Looking at the LME op amps in the E12 I'm already sold. But I'm still curious about the bass... there will be times when I'd rather have the Tightness reported in the Early Light Versions and times I'd want the Darker Heavy bass

does the E12 have 2 boost options like in the E11? [Sadly my Mad Dogs will be my only portable Closed can, as there's no way in hell I'm carrying my Ath w1000x to College q.q]

So I'd like an overall neutral and airy amp [which the e12 sounds like with those LME ops] Which the issues I had with the E11 and it's bass might be resolved. Still any thoughts on the DIfferent Bass Variants, is the Bass Light Version being sold again, via the "Special" kit being sold? 
Light and heavy is the wrong perception, the bass was boosted by the same dB in both revisions. May not be worth talking about the first revision anymore, but I am quite happy with mine. The current version peaks it's boost within the midbass, while the pre-release and early batches had the bass boost peak at sub bass, and I mean 20 Hz sub bass + 6dB. I liked that, more boost where most cans lack, and mine doesn't bleed into the mids at all.

Now, I do think the treble could be slightly above neutral... But that would be to an insignificant amount compared to the variance from headphone to headphone. I DON'T think the E12 creates the widest soundstage... Better than straight out of an iDevice and nicely round, in fact once you get used to it there is a great sense of layering space in front of you where instruments reside, but my tube amp (you remember it?) does increase soundstage further. Still may be enjoyable for you though.
post #2095 of 3708
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Originally Posted by Headzone View Post


Wth.

What kind of audiophile wants their mid bass to be boosted? Even my DT48 will give satisfying mid bass, but the sub bass is what they lack. A weird decision.
I could quote the >10 people, I actually counted that the people who wanted the change were fewer than wanted it the same, but I think to actually dredge up their names would be mean. I guess I'm just lucky I got the one I wanted.
post #2096 of 3708
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Originally Posted by Headzone View Post


Wth.

 

What kind of audiophile wants their mid bass to be boosted? Even my DT48 will give satisfying mid bass, but the sub bass is what they lack. A weird decision.

What kind of audiophile going by the dictionary definition? Not that many

 

But what kind of music-phile would? most of them.

 

A lot of headphones recommended on HF are too genre specific or were built to be analytical and or treble prone for the purpose that studio use generally just means vocals, guitars or instruments in that range. This makes many of those headphones very good for reproduction of the range they were made for for the studio, but sucky at low range unless that headphone was made for low end reproduction. So yeah, music philes want this for their studio headphones. Audiophiles that already have thousand dollar equipment won't.

post #2097 of 3708
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

I DON'T think the E12 creates the widest soundstage... Better than straight out of an iDevice and nicely round, in fact once you get used to it there is a great sense of layering space in front of you where instruments reside, but my tube amp (you remember it?) does increase soundstage further. Still may be enjoyable for you though.

 

I agree, my M-Stage and iCAN have significantly larger soundstages than the E12.

post #2098 of 3708

I've got the v1 E12 with sub-bass boost.  I find I use it less now because I tend to EQ my headphones more recently, so it is not as important to me as it was when I first got it  But as a quick enhancement to an existing headphone, the sub-bass boost is something I do use from time to time, and it is very satisfying on music that has information down there (not all music uses the 20-40Hz bass region).   

post #2099 of 3708

Is there a significant difference in power between the two? I've noticed the v1 has a 10db gain switch while the v2 has a 16db gain...

post #2100 of 3708
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Originally Posted by Change is Good View Post

Is there a significant difference in power between the two? I've noticed the v1 has a 10db gain switch while the v2 has a 16db gain...

It was a typo. All were 16dB units in terms of the high gain switch

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