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post #1996 of 3695

Want to point out that, regardless of how you setup to double amp, the last amp is the one that is driving the headphone. Those on the middle do not drive anything, but to increase volume and add coloration (if any).

post #1997 of 3695
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Originally Posted by ati832 View Post

really looking for something more portable that is a desktop amp. has anyone tried dual amping 2 fiio e12's

Eh?

post #1998 of 3695

hahahha just saw what I wrote Im looking for something portable not a desktop amplifier.

post #1999 of 3695
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Originally Posted by ati832 View Post

thanks oregonian you helped me a lot before I have got the ZO and honestly I find the bass artificial fake bass I need raw power bass. with the ZO dual amped I feel the Bass is dull maybe some of you like this type of bass but to me it sounds fake. 

How about a ZO2? I tried it and green to green-yellow sound pretty not-fake to me.

Define: power bass

post #2000 of 3695

the fiio e12 and C&C bh dual amped create a much larger Impact using vmoda lp2's the bass feels like it is punching your head and sounds awesome and tight. with the Z02 which I have dual amped with fiio e12 does not have the power or the impact the other amp has and the bass even when I just amp with the Z02 feels and sounds fake maybe because the Z02 does not have a lot of power to drive its bass boosting fuctions. but right now I am looking at the c&c x02 as an amp with 1000mw output power which is insane or the c5 from jds or a headstage arrow but I am thinking the C5 and the arrow arent as powerful as the X02 but just need some opinions from fellow bass heads, also looking at the X3 dap as it looks as if it is as powerful as the e17.

post #2001 of 3695
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Originally Posted by ati832 View Post

the fiio e12 and C&C bh dual amped create a much larger Impact using vmoda lp2's the bass feels like it is punching your head and sounds awesome and tight. with the Z02 which I have dual amped with fiio e12 does not have the power or the impact the other amp has and the bass even when I just amp with the Z02 feels and sounds fake maybe because the Z02 does not have a lot of power to drive its bass boosting fuctions. but right now I am looking at the c&c x02 as an amp with 1000mw output power which is insane or the c5 from jds or a headstage arrow but I am thinking the C5 and the arrow arent as powerful as the X02 but just need some opinions from fellow bass heads, also looking at the X3 dap as it looks as if it is as powerful as the e17.

The center frequencies for the amps' bass boosts are all different. I'm not sure if power has anything to do with it or else a Schiit Asgard would be a basshead's favourite amp. BH and E12 have a punchy bass boost frequency whereas the ZO2 and C5 are focused on deep sub-bass, so if you're looking for punchy bass, then you shouldn't bother with those.
post #2002 of 3695
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

How about a ZO2? I tried it and green to green-yellow sound pretty not-fake to me.

Define: power bass


Yessir....................that's the model I have.  Awesome power bass monster................all on the low sub bass end. 

post #2003 of 3695

yeah you are right bass to me should always be punchy Its what I prefer so that probably is the fake bass I am on about lol I guess I am not a sub bass person it seems thanks I will stay clear from the c5 now.

post #2004 of 3695

Have you ever wondered if the E12 could beat up the Matrix M Stage? Or would the Matrix prevail?

 

Comparison time................ here's my review:

I think the M Stage sounds better than the E12.

End of review.

 

Ummm? Why?

 

For a start, the E12 is nice little amp for the $$$. And it even drives 600 Ohm Beyers!

   But the M Stage just sounds a little more open, shows just a little more ambience and reverberation, a bit more stereophonic, if you will. For example, the reverb at the introduction to "Never Say Never" by Tristan Prettyman has a greater sense of space to it. The acoustic guitars in that track also sound a bit fuller and a bit more natural, a bit more woody thru the big M.

I hate to say this, but the heavier M Stage (it probably wieghs 5 times as much as the E12) sounds, well, weightier. This isn't to say that the bass in the E12 sounds rolled off or weak, it just means the M Stage has a slightly more relaxed presentation, a bit fuller sound, a bit more (here's that word again!) weight or a bit more mass to it's presentation. But this added mass isn't something that obscures detail, to these ears, the M Stage actually sounds a bit clearer.

    And the midrange............there's something about the M Stage midrange: Tristan Prettyman's voice has a more natural quality thru the M. The E12 sounds a touch more artificial, a bit more "reproduced" or recorded. Simone Dinnerstein's piano (OK, it's probably a rental!) in The Goldberg Variations sounds a mite bit more real thru the M, and a touch lighter and brighter thru the E12. But the E12's treble doesn't get harsh, it's an easy, relaxing amp to listen to. On Meaghan Smith's "The Cricket's Orchestra" (I'm her biggest fan BTW) the treble may sound a bit more delicate thru the E12, it may have a bit of a feathery quality to it, but I don't hear any harshness in the treble or mids. Nice!

    Let's talk about that midrange somemore! On "If you Asked Me To" from Meaghan Smith's album, the M Stage does a better job of reproducing that midrange air, fullness, shimmer and presence that a REAL cymbal has. The cymbals just sound lighter and less full thru the E. OK?

 

OK, I think I've rambled on enough.......... No, I haven't:

Some closing thoughts:

 

1. Before anyone thinks about going all Sarah Conner on their E12 and squashing it to bits in a very large press and screaming "You're Terminated!", keep in mind these differences are very subtle.

2. I've been using a pair of Q701s for this comparison and I gotta say, the E12 is a nice match for the Q701s!

3. Maybe I'm not the most golden eared kid on the bock, but I had to perform a maddenly large amount of swapping back and forth to get a grip on these differences. Despite all this, I still like Tristan Prettyman's album "Cedar and Gold".......And she still sounds like a babe via the E12.

4. And the DAC? I used the DAC in a wee little iBasso D12 for this comparison.

5. The E12 will fit in your pocket, the Matrix M Stage won't fit in your pocket.

6. As always, I thoroughly charge the E12 and D12 batteries before any comparisons. And disconnected the battery charger during comparisons. 7. I use that irritating level match method: a test tone and an SPL meter to ensure both amps are driving the 'phones at the same level.

8. I'm getting the itch to repeat this with a pair of Beyer DT880s!

9. I met Meaghan Smith once, and told her I loved her album, I was relieved to see that she didn't think I was crazy, in fact she was rather flattered!


Edited by Chris J - 6/10/13 at 3:00pm
post #2005 of 3695
So, tl;dr, the M-stage is just a bit (bit bit bit bit bit bit bit bit) better than the E12, but not by much? Except for the midrange?

Not bad for a $130 portable amp going up against a $230 desktop amp.
Edited by pngwn - 6/10/13 at 9:51am
post #2006 of 3695

That was one mighty large wall of text right there. XD

 

I still don't think the E12 compares very favourably to the O2 except for the warmer sound signature, more portable form factor, and sound EQ options.

The O2 is only $20 USD more and I prefer its sound over many more expensive headphone amplifiers I've heard. If you're not going to use the E12 as a portable headphone amplifier, I see no reason to get it over the O2.

post #2007 of 3695
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Originally Posted by pngwn View Post

So, tl;dr, the M-stage is just a bit (bit bit bit bit bit bit bit bit) better than the E12, but not by much? Except for the midrange?

Not bad for a $130 portable amp going up against a $230 desktop amp.

 

Bass-wise the M Stage sounds fuller, but without loosing clairty.

Since I have both amps, I will always listen to the M Stage over the E12, but the E12 is portable!

But you're right, not bad for a $130 wee little portable!

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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

That was one mighty large wall of text right there. XD

 

I still don't think the E12 compares very favourably to the O2 except for the warmer sound signature, more portable form factor, and sound EQ options.

The O2 is only $20 USD more and I prefer its sound over many more expensive headphone amplifiers I've heard. If you're not going to use the E12 as a portable headphone amplifier, I see no reason to get it over the O2.

Oh ya, I fixed the wall of text.

I copied this from my posting in the M Stage thread......I guess it didn't copy very well!

 

If the O2 is brighter than the E12 then keep the O2 away from me!  wink_face.gif

post #2008 of 3695
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

That was one mighty large wall of text right there. XD

 

I still don't think the E12 compares very favourably to the O2 except for the warmer sound signature, more portable form factor, and sound EQ options.

The O2 is only $20 USD more and I prefer its sound over many more expensive headphone amplifiers I've heard. If you're not going to use the E12 as a portable headphone amplifier, I see no reason to get it over the O2.

 

I do more listening these days walking about than at home (too busy it seems).  For me the E12 is perfect.  The fact that it has the same footprint as the iPod it is strapped to is a big plus, along with the physical volume knob which is much preferable over buttons (E17).  But I have to say, my visit yesterday to the Dallas meet to hear big amps driving Summit-Fi cans showed me what I'm missing while mobile.

post #2009 of 3695
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

That was one mighty large wall of text right there. XD

 

I still don't think the E12 compares very favourably to the O2 except for the warmer sound signature, more portable form factor, and sound EQ options.

The O2 is only $20 USD more and I prefer its sound over many more expensive headphone amplifiers I've heard. If you're not going to use the E12 as a portable headphone amplifier, I see no reason to get it over the O2.

Oh ya, I fixed the wall of text.

I copied this from my posting in the M Stage thread......I guess it didn't copy very well!

 

If the O2 is brighter than the E12 then keep the O2 away from me!  wink_face.gif

 

From Stereophile:

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bright, brilliant The most often misused terms in audio, these describe the degree to which reproduced sound has a hard, crisp edge to it. Brightness relates to the energy content in the 4kHz-8kHz band.

 

From this instrument frequency chart:

 

 

From approximate volume-matching and track comparisons, I actually found the E12 to be brighter-sounding. The O2 sounds less aggressive yet more textured than the E12. E12 had more "bite" with violins and drums.

post #2010 of 3695

Maybe I should try asking which one sounds less audibly coloured and shows more detail?

More transparent?

Or is their a clear winner between the O2 and the E12?

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