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What is the actual dB bass boost on the E12 and what does the E11 offer in comparison on the highest bass setting? I'm looking to upgrade to the E12 from an E11 but I'm worried the single bass setting won't satisfy my bass craving. If the E11 falls short, what other portables are there that have a strong amount of bass and/or bass settings and is affordable? Thanks!


just get a ZO or an XO2 instead of an E12

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What is the actual dB bass boost on the E12 and what does the E11 offer in comparison on the highest bass setting? I'm looking to upgrade to the E12 from an E11 but I'm worried the single bass setting won't satisfy my bass craving. If the E11 falls short, what other portables are there that have a strong amount of bass and/or bass settings and is affordable? Thanks!

I do prefer bass many times but also likes a very balanced headphone.

 

The E12 is a much much more refined bass. If you must even ask about the bass boost. It is most likely not enough on the e12 in terms of quantity. 

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I do prefer bass many times but also likes a very balanced headphone.

The E12 is a much much more refined bass. If you must even ask about the bass boost. It is most likely not enough on the e12 in terms of quantity. 

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just get a ZO or an XO2 instead of an E12

Thanks for the responses. The X02 is out of my price range and also what about the Practical devices XM4? It says it offers a bass boost of 6dB. Is that more than the E11 on the highest setting? I'm sorry, I have no clue about the technical aspects of amplifiers.
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just get a ZO or an XO2 instead of an E12

 

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I do prefer bass many times but also likes a very balanced headphone.

 

The E12 is a much much more refined bass. If you must even ask about the bass boost. It is most likely not enough on the e12 in terms of quantity. 


Go for the best of both worlds and double-amp!

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I'll be pushing out an E12 review in 2 weeks. Hopefully 1 week. 

 

I'll be using it with a new batch of Heir Audio IEM's I just received but I will of course be using headphones I know better for the actual girth of the review. 

 

 

 

Very excited for the comming weeks. 

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What is the actual dB bass boost on the E12 and what does the E11 offer in comparison on the highest bass setting? I'm looking to upgrade to the E12 from an E11 but I'm worried the single bass setting won't satisfy my bass craving. If the E11 falls short, what other portables are there that have a strong amount of bass and/or bass settings and is affordable? Thanks!
Feiao just said it one or two pages back, it's between 2 and 3 dB, all sub bass. The problem with aggressive bass boosting is you add grain and/or bloat. I just explained to Craigster in my last post, the E12 isn't a "basshead amp," if such a thing exists (which the ZO could be), but if you want more bass you're best served by getting a more bassy headphone. I recommend a V-MODA or Ultrasone headphone (The Sony XB500 amazed me, but mostly because how unmusical an extremely dark and imbalanced headphone can be). The E12 doesn't reduce the bass quality IMO, but sharpens/tightens it (less so than my tube amp).
Edited by Evshrug - 1/27/13 at 5:49pm
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As an aside, in case the point wasn't made clearly enough, the E12's bass-boost is subtle and probably won't offend audiophiles, but it's not the sort of thing that'll make bassheads happier. The E12's neutrality wouldn't take away from a basshead headphone though, unless you like the bass looser.

 

Yes, we think audiophile who will like to pay more money in audio gear,  even may not need the bass boost . but it seems that it will be a good idea if we can increase the amount of dB boost in the upgraded model of E11 after 1 or 2 years.

 

 

To be honest that lots of people in China think anything with bass boost is not belong to high quality audio products , lol.

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To be honest that lots of people in China think anything with bass boost is not belong to high quality audio products , lol.
I'm not going to give an opinion, but I understand how those people in China are thinking, and I am not a basshead. biggrin.gif
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Feiao just said it one or two pages back, it's between 2 and 3 dB, all sub bass. The problem with aggressive bass boosting is you add grain and/or bloat. I just explained to Craigster in my last post, the E12 isn't a "basshead amp," if such a thing exists (which the ZO could be), but if you want more bass you're best served by getting a more bassy headphone. I recommend a V-MODA or Ultrasone headphone (The Sony XB500 amazed me, but mostly because how unmusical an extremely dark and imbalanced headphone can be). The E12 doesn't reduce the bass quality IMO, but sharpens/tightens it (less so than my tube amp).

 

Just personal opinion, in a audio system { source like iPod , amp like Mont Blanc , headphone and cable }, the best way to find the best taste for yourself is , use transparent  audio source and amp, and choose the best headphone which met your requirement. 

 

because the difference between headphone is far more bigger than the difference between sources or amps.

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^agreed, that's basically what I said where you quoted me.
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Originally Posted by feiao View Post

 

Just personal opinion, in a audio system { source like iPod , amp like Mont Blanc , headphone and cable }, the best way to find the best taste for yourself is , use transparent  audio source and amp, and choose the best headphone which met your requirement. 

 

because the difference between headphone is far more bigger than the difference between sources or amps.

Agreed. 

 

For most headphones or IEM's. I just use a custom O2(when I had it, will be getting a super custom project O2 soon) and Audio gd for most.

 

Some buy $70 headphones and then are looking at the FiiO E17. Which I personally find should not be done at that price point. A good amp and DAC is important(especially a DAC for most beginners) but there is no need to get all the suppliments when the headphones can be improved so much more.

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I'm not going to give an opinion, but I understand how those people in China are thinking, and I am not a basshead. biggrin.gif

 

In China, the thing is more  like a  group of grazing sheep, they have not Independent thinking. that maybe the only reason that there are so many insane thing only happened in China. for example, the Sony D50 is a very very popular DAP in China, but I notice is not so common in Western countries.

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In China, the thing is more  like a  group of grazing sheep, they have not Independent thinking. that maybe the only reason that there are so many insane thing only happened in China. for example, the Sony D50 is a very very popular DAP in China, but I notice is not so common in Western countries.

Chinese people like fads (hype). To be cool, to be in, to look wealthy. Always asking about brand and what happened and connections. It is predominantly built into our culture. Even the ones in America still have this. It is something Asians more or less do. It isn't bad, it isn't good. It is just a type of state that a group of demographically similar people with similar psychographs think. 

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Feiao just said it one or two pages back, it's between 2 and 3 dB, all sub bass. The problem with aggressive bass boosting is you add grain and/or bloat. I just explained to Craigster in my last post, the E12 isn't a "basshead amp," if such a thing exists (which the ZO could be), but if you want more bass you're best served by getting a more bassy headphone. I recommend a V-MODA or Ultrasone headphone (The Sony XB500 amazed me, but mostly because how unmusical an extremely dark and imbalanced headphone can be). The E12 doesn't reduce the bass quality IMO, but sharpens/tightens it (less so than my tube amp).

I have the M-Audio Q40 and I bought them on recommendation from here. smily_headphones1.gif The problem is I'm not very knowledgeable about amps or headphones and the E11 is the only one I've owned. The bass boost is great with the headphones and I wouldn't be happy if I bought something and the bass was shy of what the E11 puts out. The E12 looks amazing but as its been pointed out I think I would be disappointed with the amount of bass unfortunately. I've found I like a quite dark bassy sound and I don't like harsh treble. It's difficult for me to choose another product and I'd want something similar to the E11 with the same bass response and just improve the tightness/quality and have better battery life. I love the E11 but I know there is better amps but I just don't know the names of them. tongue.gif
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Zo2??? That has been recommended a lot. If anyone wants to do a mutual temp trade to try diff things. Let me know, i kinda wish to test zo2
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