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Yeah I wouldn't have recommended the E12 for an efficient low impedance high sensitivity bass can like the M100. Maybe the JDS C5?
Bleh. I'm not buying any more amps, lmao. I already have two.
As I said, I should of started a thread on what would be the best amp for my headphones, not what is an upgrade from my E17.
Thing is, I bought the E12 based on the experience I had with my E17 x LP2 combo.
post #2282 of 3130

I have the E12 to drive my Ultrasone Signature Dj. First I thought the same as you. I had the feeling that my Ipod Classic last gen is better without it. But after some time it got better and better. You also might want to give the E12 more time to open up. James from Fiio claimed at least 40 hours of burn in to make the E12 shine. The Sig Dj is easy to drive like the M100, but the amp helps a lot to make the Ipod sound much more dynamic. Bass gets more substantial, sound stage more stable and nuances in the sound get more obvious to the listener. Only my Meier Audio Stepdance is even better in all regards by a good margin, but it is much more expensive than the E12. On the go/ at work, I now use the E12 only. The Stepdance is my desktop amp for more undisturbed and longer listening sessions.


Edited by pietcux - 9/24/13 at 3:12pm
post #2283 of 3130
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I have the E12 to drive my Ultrasone Signature Dj. First I thought the same as you. I had the feeling that my Ipod Classic last gen is better without it. But after some time it got better and better. You also might want to give the E12 more time to open up. James from Fiio claimed at least 40 hours of burn in to make the E12 shine. The Sig Dj is easy to drive like the M100, but the amp helps a lot to make the Ipod sound much more dynamic. Bass gets more substantial, sound stage more stable and nuances in the sound get more obvious to the listener. Only my Meier Audio Stepdance is even better in all regards by a good margin, but it is much more expensive than the E12. On the go/ at work, I now use the E12 only. The Stepdance is my desktop amp for more undisturbed and longer listening sessions.
Ah, okay. I'll keep it for a week or so, probably used it for a listening time of 4-5hrs.
But as I said, my headphones are a lower impedance than the amp. Tried my E17 with my M100s, only a little difference.

The E12 is amazing on vocal / drumbeat songs of a certain note, amplifies what's already there.
Seems I'm stuck with the amp - seller will only refund for store credit.
I need an impedance adapter, can't find any on head-fi's store.

I'm really skeptical about this amp. I've probably used my E17 for way longer than 40 hours, and it doesn't do much for my M100s. It does help my LP2s, I'll have to get all the amps / headphones I have, have a listen to all.

Will a LOD help with the amp for better sound?
Edited by Existence - 9/24/13 at 4:21pm
post #2284 of 3130
An LOD would be even less of a night and day difference, but there would be some improvement if you listened for it. For the M100 and E12, I would recomened finding an LOD that is silver or maybe silver plated copper; pure copper would be too warm and do little to compliment your headphone/amp combo.
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But as I said, my headphones are a lower impedance than the amp. Tried my E17 with my M100s, only a little difference.

The E12 is amazing on vocal / drumbeat songs of a certain note, amplifies what's already there.
Seems I'm stuck with the amp - seller will only refund for store credit.
I need an impedance adapter, can't find any on head-fi's store.
 

OK, I have to ask. The amp has an output impedance of <0.5 ohm. Any 'phone will have an impedance many times higher.

Why do you need an impedance adapter? What are you trying to accomplish?

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But as I said, my headphones are a lower impedance than the amp. Tried my E17 with my M100s, only a little difference.


The E12 is amazing on vocal / drumbeat songs of a certain note, amplifies what's already there.

Seems I'm stuck with the amp - seller will only refund for store credit.

I need an impedance adapter, can't find any on head-fi's store.

 
OK, I have to ask. The amp has an output impedance of <0.5 ohm. Any 'phone will have an impedance many times higher.
Why do you need an impedance adapter? What are you trying to accomplish?

Come to think of it, I'm wondering the same thing. The E17 has very low output impedance -- certainly lower than the M100's 32ohm impedance. The same applies to the E12. I fail to see why an impedance adapter would be needed for a mid-fi audio setup like yours.

Maybe you're expecting too much of or a different kind of change in sound quality from your amps? Not trying to sound rude, just frank. What exactly do you want your amps to accomplish with your M100? If you're searching for a drastically different sound, you might be better off just buying different headphones.
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But as I said, my headphones are a lower impedance than the amp. Tried my E17 with my M100s, only a little difference.


The E12 is amazing on vocal / drumbeat songs of a certain note, amplifies what's already there.

Seems I'm stuck with the amp - seller will only refund for store credit.

I need an impedance adapter, can't find any on head-fi's store.

 
OK, I have to ask. The amp has an output impedance of <0.5 ohm. Any 'phone will have an impedance many times higher.
Why do you need an impedance adapter? What are you trying to accomplish?

Come to think of it, I'm wondering the same thing. The E17 has very low output impedance -- certainly lower than the M100's 32ohm impedance. The same applies to the E12. I fail to see why an impedance adapter would be needed for a mid-fi audio setup like yours.

Maybe you're expecting too much of or a different kind of change in sound quality from your amps? Not trying to sound rude, just frank. What exactly do you want your amps to accomplish with your M100? If you're searching for a drastically different sound, you might be better off just buying different headphones.

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But as I said, my headphones are a lower impedance than the amp. Tried my E17 with my M100s, only a little difference.


The E12 is amazing on vocal / drumbeat songs of a certain note, amplifies what's already there.

Seems I'm stuck with the amp - seller will only refund for store credit.

I need an impedance adapter, can't find any on head-fi's store.

 
OK, I have to ask. The amp has an output impedance of <0.5 ohm. Any 'phone will have an impedance many times higher.
Why do you need an impedance adapter? What are you trying to accomplish?
I was recommended an impedance adapter by DrSheep as a way to get more out of my amp.
I wanted a better sound with my M100s. I use the Mont Blanc with the M100s, and the E17 with my LP2s.
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The reason I bought the Mont Blanc was because the E17 complemented my LP2s, improved them.
@Pngpwn, I can't afford to buy new headphones, and I spent $90 on custom plates, lol.
post #2289 of 3130
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I was recommended an impedance adapter by DrSheep as a way to get more out of my amp.
I wanted a better sound with my M100s. I use the Mont Blanc with the M100s, and the E17 with my LP2s.

I see threads where these are mentioned but it is a misnomer.

 

What people are doing is adding resistance to the amp output, similar to what Sunfire did for their "tube-like" outputs (I have one of these amps and I don't use the outputs that have resistors). Basically you are changing the system response characteristics by adding additional elements. This is a crap shoot, the only certain result is you will get less output power. I know some people like tweaks like these, but I feel the best bet is to try out different headphones and see which ones meet your listening requirements rather than trying to hack the response of what you have.

 

Just my $0.02, YMMV

 

If you still really want to try this out, the adapters are easy to build with basic soldering skills.

post #2290 of 3130
Being that the M100 is a pretty efficient can, being driven by the E12 would only serve to provide a cleaner sound, imo. In what way did you expect an amp to make the M100 better?

For more power hungry cans, a powerful amp would do much more to deliver a more audible difference in quality. On the side of low impedance / high sensitivity cans, however, I feel like you won't really notice a great difference with stock amp settings until you start paying $300 or more for amping, and even then, it may only be somewhat subtle. Just my 2cents.

What reasoning did DrSheep give for needing an impedance adapter?

I second what sbradley said and re-iterate my previous post that you should just try new headphones if you're unhappy with your M100s. The biggest change in sound will come from the headphones themselves, and then subtly as your listen to them through different sources, amps, DACs, and cables.
Edited by pngwn - 9/24/13 at 6:45pm
post #2291 of 3130
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Being that the M100 is a pretty effecient can, being driven by the E12 would only serve to provide a cleaner sound. In what way did you expect an amp to make the M100 better?

For more power hungry cans, a powerful amp would do much more to deliver a more audible difference in quality. On the side of low impedance / high sensitivity cans, however, I feel like you won't really notice a great difference with stock amp settings until you start paying $300 or more for amping, and even then, it may only be somewhat subtle.

What reasoning did DrSheep give for needing an impedance adapter?
I forgot why, but I'm stuck with the amp, you're right about the clearer sound, drum beats etc are more audible.
post #2292 of 3130

Is the a way to connect iPod Classic with LOD to E07k and E12 ?

post #2293 of 3130

Yeah you need the L7 line out for the E07k though, unless you plan to double-amp the E07k and E12.

http://www.amazon.com/FiiO-L7-Line-Dock-Cable/dp/B004QVNS0S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380133778&sr=8-1&keywords=fiio+l7

 

iPod Classic -> LOD cable -> E07k -> L7 -> E12 -> headphones

post #2294 of 3130
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Yeah you need the L7 line out for the E07k though, unless you plan to double-amp the E07k and E12.

http://www.amazon.com/FiiO-L7-Line-Dock-Cable/dp/B004QVNS0S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380133778&sr=8-1&keywords=fiio+l7

 

iPod Classic -> LOD cable -> E07k -> L7 -> E12 -> headphones

I have the L7 , So iPod Classic -> LOD cable ->3.5mm of iPod to what input of the E07k -> L7 with 3.5mm cable to E12 line IN then headphones

 

Or since my LOD is only disable the internal amp of the iPod, then I could plug the 3.5mm from the LOD cable directly to the E12 then my headphones ???


Edited by pixelsphotopro - 9/25/13 at 12:31pm
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I have the L7 , So iPod Classic -> LOD cable ->3.5mm of iPod to what input of the E07k -> L7 with 3.5mm cable to E12 line IN then headphones

 

Or since my LOD is only disable the internal amp of the iPod, then I could plug the 3.5mm from the LOD cable directly to the E12 then my headphones ???

 

What's the point of first running line-out to the E07k and then again line-out from the E07k to the E12? I would just do the line-out directly to the E12 and leave the E07k out of it.

 
Remember, the LOD cable outputs an analog signal. So there's no need to use the E07k and E12 together. Pick only one.
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