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post #1696 of 3213
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Originally Posted by pngwn View Post

 

I can tell you the bass doesn't come close, but the BH has a slightly better soundstage and treble, if that's what you're looking forward to. YMMV, of course.

 

Which gives the most tight, impacting bass? 

post #1697 of 3213
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Originally Posted by pngwn View Post

 

I can tell you the bass doesn't come close, but the BH has a slightly better soundstage and treble, if that's what you're looking forward to. YMMV, of course.

 

Which gives the most tight, impacting bass? 

 

The E12 v1 has better controlled, more textured, and more impactful bass than the BH. The BH has nice bass, too, but the E12 just has more and better. I can't speak for v2, the mass produced version that will be coming out soon, but I expect it will have similar quality bass, just not as sub-bassy as the v1.

 

For EDM, the differences are almost negligible if you're not listening with a figurative microscope, but low string instruments, for example, sound much better on the E12 than the BH. In contrast, the BH offers better treble with the SF and LF switches.


Edited by pngwn - 3/27/13 at 1:18pm
post #1698 of 3213
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Originally Posted by pngwn View Post

 

The E12 v1 has better controlled, more textured, and more impactful bass than the BH. The BH has nice bass, too, but the E12 just has more and better. I can't speak for v2, the mass produced version that will be coming out soon, but I expect it will have similar quality bass, just not as sub-bassy as the v1.

 

For EDM, the differences are almost negligible if you're not listening with a figurative microscope, but low string instruments, for example, sound much better on the E12 than the BH. In contrast, the BH offers better treble with the SF and LF switches.

 

Why do you think the Version 2 E-12 will have less sub bass than the V1? 

post #1699 of 3213
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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post

 

Why do you think the Version 2 E-12 will have less sub bass than the V1? 

 

Because of this:

 

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About the bass boost feature in Mont Blanc, we decide to change the design, as you can see , the current frequency response is as below

 

 

 

The curve of the new bass boost will change to the red line

 

 

 

 

 

it means the center frequency of the bass boost will move from 20Hz to 50Hz, compare with the bass boost in E11, the center frequency is about 70Hz.

 

The reason that some people does not feel very good about the bass boost in Mont Blanc is because there are very few bass less than 50hz so the bass

 

boost does not really help to enhance the bass in most song tracks.
post #1700 of 3213

I'm guessing FiiO is doing this permanent change because people in China also asked about it.

 

 

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The reason that some people does not feel very good about the bass boost in Mont Blanc

Interesting that the people here and in China HIFI thought the same thing.

post #1701 of 3213
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

I'm guessing FiiO is doing this permanent change because people in China also asked about it.

 

 

Interesting that the people here and in China HIFI thought the same thing.

 

I'm sure the revised bass boost will be fine/great/better for some, but I sure do like the version 1 bass boost with my gear. Sounds amazing with the AD900X (pngwn made me aware of that great pairing), and also works very well with the WS99 (which have a amazing bass signature to begin with).

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I totally agree with the above post.  If "bigger bass is the new flat,"  I like the v1 curve more than the v2, because the former shelves whereas the latter peaks.  In fact, I picked up the E12 v1 when I saw the planned change and am totally happy with my purchase. 

 

I've had many subwoofer moments with the E12 v1 where the bass has that visceral feel.  The music has to have energy down in the lowest audible octave, though.  I'm sure there are lots of people who tried the bass boost and said, "I didn't hear any change."  It is probably because their music doesn't have much energy below 40 Hz.  Fiio is wise to make the design change, because it will sell more amplifiers to the masses.  Sub-bass is definitely an enthusiast's pursuit. 
 

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Originally Posted by jazzman7 View Post

Sub-bass is definitely an enthusiast's pursuit. 

 

Or for professional purposes.

post #1704 of 3213
Thread Starter 

Dear Friends,

 

Thanks for your patience and constant attention!

Finally, E12 is ready for sale now, but this batch has some changes based on the first batch, below are the changes:
 

1. Silk-screen,the “ gain” is changed to 16dB (the first batch is 10dB but the real gain is 16dB );

 

2. The bass boost frequency center has raised from 20Hz  to 50Hz .
 

We have started the delivery of E12(second batch) from the day of March 26th, and up to now, the following are the countries and agents list which we have sent goods to.

 

March 26th
US: TekFX  , Parts Express
UK
:EA audio
Sweden:UZTORE AB
Germany:NT Global Distribution GmbH

Canada:Headphone Bar

 

March 27th

US:LIQUIANA, INC

Canada:Headfoneshop

Germany:Headsound Audio

Norway:SoundcareAS

Australia:Addicted To Audio

 

March 28th
Italy:Audio Azimuth
Australia
:Sound Sight Focus
Thailand:Holysai
New Zealand:Sound Essentials

Mexico:Audiofilia

 

 

March 29th : 
Australia: Noisy Motel
South Korea: Headphone World
South Korea:  TS
Philippines: XTC
Singapore: Treoo
Thailand: FiiOThai Ordianary Partnership
Belarus: Morejka
Netherlands: HDPHNS
Poland: MIP
Estonia: Mamear AS

 

For the information of below dealer , you can check where to buy in our official website www.fiio.net

 

By estimate, it would take 4 to 5 working days for the parcel to reach our agent, which means all of you can try to contact the local sales agent at the beginning of April.

Any comment or question, please feel free to contact us or directly contact our local agent.


Edited by JamesFiiO - 3/29/13 at 7:37pm
post #1705 of 3213
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Originally Posted by jazzman7 View Post

I totally agree with the above post.  If "bigger bass is the new flat,"  I like the v1 curve more than the v2, because the former shelves whereas the latter peaks.  In fact, I picked up the E12 v1 when I saw the planned change and am totally happy with my purchase. 

 

I've had many subwoofer moments with the E12 v1 where the bass has that visceral feel.  The music has to have energy down in the lowest audible octave, though.  I'm sure there are lots of people who tried the bass boost and said, "I didn't hear any change."  It is probably because their music doesn't have much energy below 40 Hz.  Fiio is wise to make the design change, because it will sell more amplifiers to the masses.  Sub-bass is definitely an enthusiast's pursuit. 

 

 

^^^ That. I'm keeping my E12 just because of it's unique bass boost (or sub-bass boost, to be acurate). By changing it for this new bacth, FiiO transformed the E12's almost unique feature among portable headphone amps into something that amost every other portable amp with a bass switch also does. Bad call from FiiO if you ask me... frown.gif

post #1706 of 3213

Thanks James for posting the information on the different stores receiving the E12! As soon as I see it in stock at one of these stores I'm placing my order! biggrin.gif

post #1707 of 3213

anyone paired the e12 with the hd215?

post #1708 of 3213
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Originally Posted by JamesFiiO View Post

Dear Friends,

 

Thanks for your patience and constant attention!

Finally, E12 is ready for sale now, but this batch has some changes based on the first batch, below are the changes:
 

1. Silk-screen,the “ gain” is changed to 16dB (the first batch is 10dB but the real gain is 16dB );

 

2. Frequency Response has raised from 20Hz  to 50Hz .


 


 

So it's 50Hz-20000Hz now? Not very attractive...

post #1709 of 3213
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Originally Posted by BenF View Post

So it's 50Hz-20000Hz now? Not very attractive...

 

There is some miscommunication there. I am pretty sure James meant to say the peak bass EQ frequency response has moved from 20Hz to 50Hz, thus giving a broader bass boost effect. The actual FR still extends down to 20Hz.

post #1710 of 3213
^ Yup - that must be what James meant.
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