FiiO " Flagship " portable amp Mont Blanc/E12 discussing thread, the pre order unit arrives. - Page 59

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Originally Posted by Bill-P 

Actually, I just got a confirmation just now. About 30 minutes after ordering.

 

Maybe it was working after all. Probably just their website getting hammered to death. It happened before during the E17 days.

I remember those days. E17 sold out twice when it was available. Full availability took 3-4 months I believe from the day it was first buyable.

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Originally Posted by bowei006 

I remember those days. E17 sold out twice when it was available. Full availability took 3-4 months I believe from the day it was first buyable.

Yeah...

Even though I ended up not getting a E17 in the end (D3 and E7 still work fine for what I use them for), I'd love to try E12 now (comparing against C&C BH), so I'm not taking any chances with availability.

Just gonna throw it out there; I remember people saying the 'ergonomics aren't right with the 90 degree FiiO LOD on the E12' or something along those lines. 

I think this is a good solution, no?

Other than the fact it's a silver plated cable LOD, only the 3.5mm end is 90 degrees, so it's a bit more freedom. 

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Originally Posted by Apo0th3karY 

Just gonna throw it out there; I remember people saying the 'ergonomics aren't right with the 90 degree FiiO LOD on the E12' or something along those lines. 

 

I think this is a good solution, no?

 

Other than the fact it's a silver plated cable LOD, only the 3.5mm end is 90 degrees, so it's a bit more freedom. 

The L3 is that basicaly. 

The only problem is that its not ergonomic. The straight cable makes it so that it protrudes in that design..

Best ergonomic would be the L11 with a very very short half inch to 3/4 inch 3.5mm inter connect cable.

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Originally Posted by feiao 

 

it is more difficult to produce a very short cable because it take time to solder the wire. but we will consider to make a 4 to 5 cm line out cable in the future.

 

but I am worry about that it is useless because iPod/iPhone change to lightning dock

That is also a problem. The new lightning dock.

I know there are those short interconnect cables. But they are all very expensive using pro cables.

L11 with the regular 3.5mm you guys include works ok, but I would rather use L9 as bending the longer cable just doesn't work well

L9 trying to be Ergonomic. Doesn't work as it blocks 3.5mm. It may

work for some but not all hp.

L11 in state one with downard position. Silly string everywhere.

L11 with upward swing. Blocks 3.5mm

L9 with current usage. Extends out, but doesn't block.

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Originally Posted by bowei006 

L11 with the regular 3.5mm you guys include works ok, but I would rather use L9 as bending the longer cable just doesn't work well

 

 

 

 

L9 trying to be Ergonomic. Doesn't work as it blocks 3.5mm. It may

work for some but not all hp.

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I think this configuration would work with the V-Moda 45degree cable. I'm in. 

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Originally Posted by Apo0th3karY 

 

I think this configuration would work with the V-Moda 45degree cable. I'm in. 

It works. But not too well as the hp wire that is 90 degres will thus go under the L9 and some may not fit.

Keep in mind that to do this. You would need to face the E12 on the "wrong" side. There is no actual side. But the FiiO logo in the config seen here will face the inside on the iPod. 

Just snagged my e12 and L9 from MiccaStore.  Said in stock and will be delivered in 2-5 days.

Can't wait.

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Originally Posted by feiao 

 

it is more difficult to produce a very short cable because it take time to solder the wire. but we will consider to make a 4 to 5 cm line out cable in the future.

 

but I am worry about that it is useless because iPod/iPhone change to lightning dock

As a suggestion, if you can recommend a third party lightning to E12 cable, I would feel more comfortable with the E12 as a "futureproofed" product in case I upgrade to Iphone 5.

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Originally Posted by Craigster75 

As a suggestion, if you can recommend a third party lightning to E12 cable, I would feel more comfortable with the E12 as a "futureproofed" product in case I upgrade to Iphone 5.

I might be late to the discussion as I didn't read most of the previous posts - but there is no such a thing as a Lightning-to-E12 cable. That will be like the same as saying SPIDF-to-E12, Toslink-to-E12, or USB-to-E12 cable. What is the point of feeding a full digital signal to a full analog amp that can NOT decode those signal?

The only solution to the Lightning connector is to have:

(1) a DAC built right inside the cable itself to decode the digital signal back to analog. Apple already has it - it is called the Lightning-to-30-pins adapter. It is not cheap and doesn't offer better SQ than the headphone-out (measured and tested myself). You will be just as good as double amping the headphone. Probably better actually. So can a third party makes something similar that offer better SQ? Yes, but you need Apple to license your the MFi chip in order to build such a cable, and so far no one outside of a few big brands and exclusive manufacturer have the license - and none of them has shown any sign of interest in such a cable. They do however want to sell you something much more expensive. and that leads us to...

(2) to have an external DAC that can extract / communicate with the iPhone / iPad. We already have quite a few of those in the market since the previous generation of iPhone so I don't think I need to list any example here.

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Originally Posted by ClieOS 

 

I might be late to the discussion as I didn't read most of the previous posts - but there is no such a thing as a Lightning-to-E12 cable. That will be like the same as saying SPIDF-to-E12, Toslink-to-E12, or USB-to-E12 cable. What is the point of feeding a full digital signal to a full analog amp that can NOT decode those signal?

 

The only solution to the Lightning connector is to have:

 

(1) a DAC built right inside the cable itself to decode the digital signal back to analog. Apple already has it - it is called the Lightning-to-30-pins adapter. It is not cheap and doesn't offer better SQ than the headphone-out (measured and tested myself). You will be just as good as double amping the headphone. Probably better actually. So can a third party makes something similar that offer better SQ? Yes, but you need Apple to license your the MFi chip in order to build such a cable, and so far no one outside of a few big brands and exclusive manufacturer have the license - and none of them has shown any sign of interest in such a cable. They do however want to sell you something much more expensive. and that leads us to...

 

(2) to have an external DAC that can extract / communicate with the iPhone / iPad. We already have quite a few of those in the market since the previous generation of iPhone so I don't think I need to list any example here.

Thank you for the clarification.  So you are saying I am better off using the E12 through a headphone jack connector vs. Apple's LIghtning-to-30-pin adapter?