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post #511 of 1960
1/5/13 at 6:55am
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Originally Posted by guitarmaker1970 View Post

Any possibility of CES pre sale online for head-fiers???

 

Will go to CES on the day after tomorrow and carry 10 Mont Blanc at our booth. Not sure whether there are any fans be there. Last year there were some FiiO user visited our booth.

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post #512 of 1960
1/5/13 at 7:06am
Thanks feiao. Not sure ill be able to make it. Looking forward to the updates about CES. If you have any leftovers, in which I doubt, could someone purchase it by contacting you after the show?
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post #513 of 1960
1/5/13 at 7:24am
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Thanks feiao. Not sure ill be able to make it. Looking forward to the updates about CES. If you have any leftovers, in which I doubt, could someone purchase it by contacting you after the show?

 

I think none will be left. don't worry, most customer can buy one in March or April.

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post #514 of 1960
1/5/13 at 7:29am
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Originally Posted by feiao View Post

I think none will be left. don't worry, most customer can buy one in March or April.
LOL!!! I just thought to give it a try! Looking forward to see this on March. Sorry for being sneaky!!!! ;-p
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post #515 of 1960
1/5/13 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by feiao View Post

 

Will go to CES on the day after tomorrow and carry 10 Mont Blanc at our booth. Not sure whether there are any fans be there. Last year there were some FiiO user visited our booth.

Fiio my boss will go to the show, so I am going to ask him if he can get one for me, how can he locate your booth and what would be the price?

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post #516 of 1960
1/5/13 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by Gorillaz View Post

Fiio my boss will go to the show, so I am going to ask him if he can get one for me, how can he locate your booth and what would be the price?
At least I'm not the only sneaky one!!!
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post #517 of 1960
1/5/13 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

BlueLegends64,
We are all noobs at one point.
The short answer is "yes" to all your questions above.
The longer explanation, more power does allow for more volume, but even if you "turn it down" to match the volumes at the same comfortable listening level, a more powerful amp will have more body in the bass and high treble frequencies, and many other small improvements that result from the muscle to drive headphones at their full potential.

I'll have to disagree as implied as a generality. More power gets you more volume and the rest is strictly a qualitative endeavor. Rail voltage (source of more power) and sound quality are not synonymous. Generally a better amp in a particular line will be upgraded in all aspects and not just power for better overall performance, also in portables, the supplies can be a bit spongy even if dual battery so a bit of reserve may help more here but it would be due to overcoming other compromises like a lack of stiffness or recovery speed. More power doesn't give better sound so while it may be a common occurrence for portable amps, I'd hate to see this be considered an absolute. Please, lets not get into inaudible steady state distorion measurements compared to other dynamic aspects to argue this. Leave it to IMO if you like but all through audio, power has never been the key to quality unless there is need for said power. That said, I suspect the e12 will just be a better amp.bigsmile_face.gif


Edited by goodvibes - 1/5/13 at 7:38pm
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post #518 of 1960
1/5/13 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

I'll have to disagree as implied as a generality. More power gets you more volume and the rest is strictly a qualitative endeavor. Rail voltage (source of more power) and sound quality are not synonymous. Generally a better amp in a particular line will be upgraded in all aspects and not just power for better overall performance, also in portables, the supplies can be a bit spongy even if dual battery so a bit of reserve may help more here but it would be due to overcoming other compromises like a lack of stiffness or recovery speed. More power doesn't give better sound so while it may be a common occurrence for portable amps, I'd hate to see this be considered a absolute. Please, lets not get into inaudible steady state distorion measurements compared to other dynamic aspects to argue this. Leave it to IMO if you like but all through audio, power has never been the key to quality unless there is need for said power. That said, I suspect the e12 will just be a better amp.bigsmile_face.gif
As a new head-fier, I will like to argue that the majority of us are more aligned with the philosophy of Dr. Timothy "The Tool Man" Taylor.

MORE POWER!!! MORE POWER!!! MORE POWER!!! UURGHH!!! UURGHH!!! UURGHH!!! UURGHH!!!😝
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post #519 of 1960
1/5/13 at 2:45pm

That I can believe. Don't forget more bass as well.biggrin.gif

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post #520 of 1960
1/5/13 at 7:32pm

So I've been reading this thread for about an hour. I really have nothing to ask about the E12, other than the effect on bass boost, whether it bloats, and how it affects the rest of the spectrum. I'm also curious how it compares to the C&C BH, but I'll wait til after release to harass the thread. 

But other than that, I have only this to add;
 

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Originally Posted by JaiSAn View Post

Why does one always presume other people are new because of small post-counts ? Does large post-counts mean bigger diggery doos ? Maybe some people have been here ie since 2005 then departed and returned to find their User and Pass are no longer applicable?

Well, frequent posting, especially one continuing over a long period of time, is basically like getting a lot of practice. You get practice in presenting ideas in social situations in a way that is more likely to be read with favor, how to elicit respect and consideration instead of anger and instinctive rejection. If someone stays away long enough and with little enough care that they forget their log-in info, then yeah, it's expected that their writing skills and tone will be quite rusty. The general tone of this forum is exploratory, curious, and sometimes a happy explosion of euphoria. Unlike some forums I've participated in the past, such as a camera gear forum where mostly people regularly were jaded and suspicious with the reviewers and manufacturers, and squabble endlessly about this format or that manufacturer being best... It's very easy to get tired of all that.

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Ms/Mr/Mrs Perfect never made/make any typos in the Past, Present or Future............?

My input criticisms were supposed to interject positive change to the design, wether FIIO decide to take heed or ignore, it's their prerogative.
Yet some people rather attack the Poster than attack the Post along with sarcastic remarks just shows one's puerile, immature attitude in regard to Forum etiquette. One should seriously learn how to behave before one makes a fool of oneself.

If you don't like the attack on you, may I recommend positive change by resisting the urge to conflagrate your image further? Instead of calling the wide-aimed "some people" names, maybe state that instead of making people angry, you meant to bring something to the attention of FiiO and Head-Fi, then further elaborate on solutions or at least why your critique could be important to others. I think you're the guy who's issue was the E12 would block the iPhone's rear camera, and was more power than necessary for portables? Both your issues are basically addressed by the E11 already, I suggest you look into that.

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The top Pic is very nice, brings inspiration to those with interest in this device but may I suggest that the lower photo only depicts "Cottage Industry" which I surmise to be the total opposite of the top photo, maybe it would be better to leave out the lower pic.
If "Cottage Industry"is FIIO's main aim to promote then I congratulate you on your success.
Please do not take offence, it was just a passing thought which may be beneficial to your product promotion.

Despite indicating that you want others to look beyond your tone and like your idea, the "If... Then..." sentence just preceding is the kind of backhanded sarcasm that you said one needs to grow out of. I do believe you have the skills to see that happening from yourself as well as others... I imagine that you mention working on behavior because you do care, and you're working on it yourself. It's not at all bad that you want people to speak respectfully, and that you want to help by making suggestions – just, keep working at it, pretend you're someone else and read your post before submitting it.

As far as "cottage industry" goes, I expect that the second picture is indeed from the factory. Not every manufacturing processes require conveyor belts or cool robots, and Feiao already set the context for that picture of the battery conditioning phase. Much manufacturing is done by hand still, I wouldn't be surprised if sitting on a shelf for hours, put there by hand, was cost effective and harmless to the product. FiiO probably wouldn't put the second picture in a magazine add, but the "how it's done" honesty is kinda cool for head-fi'ers on a pre-release production thread.

 

 

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post #521 of 1960
1/5/13 at 8:00pm

Based on my experience with the E11, FiiO has done a solid job providing significant bass boost that stays confined to the lower region and doesn't intrude on the mids.
 

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post #522 of 1960
1/5/13 at 9:26pm
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

I'll have to disagree as implied as a generality. More power gets you more volume and the rest is strictly a qualitative endeavor. Rail voltage (source of more power) and sound quality are not synonymous. Generally a better amp in a particular line will be upgraded in all aspects and not just power for better overall performance, also in portables, the supplies can be a bit spongy even if dual battery so a bit of reserve may help more here but it would be due to overcoming other compromises like a lack of stiffness or recovery speed. More power doesn't give better sound so while it may be a common occurrence for portable amps, I'd hate to see this be considered a absolute. Please, lets not get into inaudible steady state distorion measurements compared to other dynamic aspects to argue this. Leave it to IMO if you like but all through audio, power has never been the key to quality unless there is need for said power. That said, I suspect the e12 will just be a better amp.bigsmile_face.gif

Most commercial amps are better than the one built in to the Galaxy S; I described how. You seem to think I was focusing entirely on voltage... No, I also was talking about what you get with a better amp. I don't pretend to know how to build an amp, though I am picking up, here and there, on how a part affects the overall sound. I don't really feel your post was all that clear, especially that part about "spongy" power supplied by batteries. The first thing I think about a sponge is how absorbent it is, or porous in texture; could you describe what you meant in a different way that is a little less obscure?

If you study this kind of thing and have some extra info to provide, I'm sure it would be of use to many of us. Please keep in mind that I am learning like everyone else, just trying to help. smily_headphones1.gif


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So I've been reading this thread for about an hour. I really have nothing to ask about the E12, other than the effect on bass boost, whether it bloats, and how it affects the rest of the spectrum. I'm also curious how it compares to the C&C BH, but I'll wait til after release to harass the thread. 

Just to add a data point, Feiao mentioned that the bass boost would be very like the E11's bass boost, which from reviews of other amps is quite good and not very destructive. If you look at FiiO's E11 page, you can see the freq curve of the boost effect(s), it peaks in the sub bass range and hardly affects the mids at all, here's the E11 page:
http://www.fiio.com.cn/products/index.aspx?ID=100000038781911&MenuID=105026001

I'll write impressions about it with my Q701s when I get my amp smily_headphones1.gif
Edited by Evshrug - 1/6/13 at 12:37pm
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post #523 of 1960
1/5/13 at 9:35pm
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Originally Posted by Apo0th3karY View Post

So I've been reading this thread for about an hour. I really have nothing to ask about the E12, other than the effect on bass boost, whether it bloats, and how it affects the rest of the spectrum. I'm also curious how it compares to the C&C BH, but I'll wait til after release to harass the thread. 

Just to add a data point, Feiao mentioned that the bass boost would be very like the E11's bass boost, which from reviews of other amps is quite good and not very destructive. If you look at FiiO's E11 page, you can see the freq curve of the boost effect(s), it peaks in the sub bass range and hardly affects the mids at all, here's the E11 page:
http://www.fiio.com.cn/products/index.aspx?ID=100000038781911&MenuID=105026001

I'll write impressions about it with my Q701s when I get my amp smily_headphones1.gif
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post #524 of 1960
1/6/13 at 12:26am
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Fiio my boss will go to the show, so I am going to ask him if he can get one for me, how can he locate your booth and what would be the price?

 

Our Booth is located at South Hall 4 / Booth 37136.  

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post #525 of 1960
1/6/13 at 12:31am
If only I lived near CES, I would be taking the holiday of my life.
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