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I tested them today, yes E12 can drive HD600's and 700 but it doesnt give enough juice like schitt valhalla or Gvibe

Did you have the gain switch set to 16dB? At that setting my HD600's can be more than loud enough at the 12 O'clock (half way) position. Turning it up all the way would not be good for my hearing.

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I tested them today, yes E12 can drive HD600's and 700 but it doesnt give enough juice like schitt valhalla or Gvibe


Hope you ticked the gain SW from "0" and the bass as well. Certainly there MUST be a difference between a $349 desktop hybrid amp and a $129 portable solid state amp.

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I tested them today, yes E12 can drive HD600's and 700 but it doesnt give enough juice like schitt valhalla or Gvibe


Hope you ticked the gain SW from "0" and the bass as well. Certainly there MUST be a difference between a $349 desktop hybrid amp and a $129 portable solid state amp.

 

Something something diminishing returns?

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Something something diminishing returns?
That the title of the next Star Wars movie?
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Something something diminishing returns?
That the title of the next Star Wars movie?

 

Nah, by this point, we've long past the point of diminishing returns...

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My Meier Stepdance also sounds better than the E12. But not as much as the price difference suggests.
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That the title of the next Star Wars movie?

I think it's going to be, "Return of the Tubes. "

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Did you have the gain switch set to 16dB? At that setting my HD600's can be more than loud enough at the 12 O'clock (half way) position. Turning it up all the way would not be good for my hearing.

Yes I did turn it up to 16db gain and it drives them pretty well, but more expensive desktop amp would drive them properly(i am not familiar with high-end amps) but it sounds like day and night.
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Yes I did turn it up to 16db gain and it drives them pretty well, but more expensive desktop amp would drive them properly(i am not familiar with high-end amps) but it sounds like day and night.

Now you've got me curious.  Can you describe the difference?  Which other amp? 

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Now you've got me curious.  Can you describe the difference?  Which other amp? 

I think with a more sophisticated expensive amp, the soundstage open up more, the resolution is better( with E12 the mids and highs kind of forcing to hit the pitch) whereas with the other expensive amp the notes were played smoothly on piano and strings, the plucking is surely most noticable(the impact goes all the way to the back of your neck and whole body) not sure if i describe it correctly in audio terms but i hope you understand those simple description from musician perspective. In other words, i don't think E12 can drive those legendary headphone like the HD600/650 and as such. They deserve more dedicated amplification to justify their worthiness.

"Pardon my broken english"
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Now you've got me curious.  Can you describe the difference?  Which other amp? 

Okay as much as I remmeber, the amp that I demo the Hd600/650 in comparison with my FiiO E12 is probably sennheiser's own amplifier because i saw their branding and logo on the amp, the colour is silver, hope this helps.
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^ would be funny if it turned out to be a Schiit Lyr or something. I didn't know Sennheiser made amps, but maybe they do if they had their own demo station at a hifi meet or something.
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^ would be funny if it turned out to be a Schiit Lyr or something. I didn't know Sennheiser made amps, but maybe they do if they had their own demo station at a hifi meet or something.

Hell yeah I just check their website, now They are selling their own in-house amplifier called "Hdva600" and "Hdvd800" no surprise those hd600s sounds different from my e12 like day n night, hell greedy i am now!
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Okay as much as I remmeber, the amp that I demo the Hd600/650 in comparison with my FiiO E12 is probably sennheiser's own amplifier because i saw their branding and logo on the amp, the colour is silver, hope this helps.

Be careful about trying to remember, sometimes that doesn't work out as well as we'd like and we end up handing over a lot of money to a happy salesman. Try bringing your own DAP and play specific portions of music that you are familiar with that has sections that challenge different aspects of sound, Then do a quick A/B between them. Got to be quick as auditory memory is a funny thing. You might be surprised at the outcome.

Sometimes people prefer one amp over another because it colors the sound more to their liking. IMO that's some people will get a tube amp that has little feedback (open loop vs. closed loop) and swap in different tubes to get the sound they like best. Perhaps this pursuit brings us joy. :)

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^hey if you don't enjoy the journey, you're just rushing towards death.

Aesthetic feedback is pretty standard for rock-n-roll electric guitar. Also, I have/enjoy a tube amp, I find it reveals micro details very well while also being less fatiguing to listen to for long periods of time. Of course, I have my E12 too, which cost almost half as much yet has it's own strengths, and I haven't gotten rid of it yet because it compliments my tube amp pretty well.
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