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post #46 of 74
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Originally Posted by Maelob View Post

Agree mini Maggie's are a desktop system, but for a small room set up they need to be treated like regular bookshelves with stands and an extra bass panel
http://www.avguide.com/review/magnepan-s-mini-maggie-speaker-system-revisited-playback-53

 

I don't think you are implying this, but it doesn't make much sense to buy the mini's for a small room set up.  A set of 1.7's could be had for around that price.  I don't think ideally placed 1.7's sound better than ideally placed Mini Maggies, I do think they are more practical w/ regards to much wider sweet spot and easier to set up for a small home theater set up

 

I have not heard the KEF LS50, but the Mini Maggies are by far the best sounding desktop set up I have ever heard.  Easily recommended.  The speakers really do sound like full scale Magnepans just w/ a narrower sweet spot.

 

I took some updated measurements with my non-ideal set up, 1 satalite at a time to eliminate combing effect in the previous measurements, and taken from near field.  They were a lot more impressive than my previous measurements, unfortunately the program crashed before I could save a copy.  I'll post new measurements in a couple of months once I get the SVS Ultra 13 and my new place.

post #47 of 74
Agree, the minis should be used as a desktop system and they are Awesome, I was trying to highlight that they also be used as a small room speaker if you follow the careful set up instructions. Thanks for your observations, really helpful.
post #48 of 74

No one try the Wadia 151 recommended by Magnepan ?
It's seems to be good a good amplifier for this purposes...

post #49 of 74

I just found out that my subwoofer actually had an issue with its amplifier, the good guys at SVS replaced it without any issues.  Great customer service.

 

Anyways I just did updated measurements... These are with combing eliminated, new SVS 12 NSD, and absolutely no acoustic treatments to the room.

 

 

 

Also I'm open to suggestions on how to get rid of the dips at 40 Hz and 60 Hz, but I am confident once I get the SVS SB Ultra 13 I'll be able to EQ those away.


Edited by rrahman - 4/20/13 at 2:42pm
post #50 of 74
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Also I'm open to suggestions on how to get rid of the dips at 40 Hz and 60 Hz, but I am confident once I get the SVS SB Ultra 13 I'll be able to EQ those away.

 

Subwoofer tuning can sometimes be a challenge.  I'm not an expert in this area, but after a lot of trial and error I found subwoofers can be very sensitive to room placement.  Many times moving a sub a foot or two in a particular direction will shift cancellations caused by standing waves, so that the dips (or peaks) you are experiencing move away from your listening position.  Also placing subs near room corners typically boost the output of the subs, so most of the time subs should be kept away from corners. 

The easiest and least expensive way to improve subwoofer frequency response is to first try different locations for the sub.  Once you eliminate the dips with room placement, it's likely you'll have peaks in the frequency response.  This is where some EQ can help, and as a general rule when I EQ a system, I only EQ to eliminate peaks, rather than to boost dips.

So, try room placement first, then a bit of EQ if necessary to cut the peaks.  After that (and with a little luck), you might find you won't need any additional room treatments.

post #51 of 74

Just ordered my SVS SB 13 Ultra... It will be a while till I get it set up still though

 

In other news, TAS just awarded the Mini Maggie's their editor's choise award...

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/2013-tas-editors-choice-awards-desktop-loudspeakers/

 

I also found this great forum with tons of info on the Mini Maggies, I only mention because I scoured the internet before buying and I still didn't find this till now.

http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/etv.mpl?forum=mug

post #52 of 74
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Just ordered my SVS SB 13 Ultra... It will be a while till I get it set up still though

 

 

That's great news!  SVS SB 13 Ultra is a monster.  Make sure you have help lifting the beast.  Looking forward to your impressions when it arrives.

 

The MUG forum you mentioned is a classic. I shared a link to the Tweaks section of the site in the comments section of my Mini Maggie review. One other source for Magnepan information can be found here.

post #53 of 74
For all interested in sub tuning, I bought a dspeaker anti-mode 8033 for my ht and is sounding really nice. I am planning to buy one for my desktop system. Check the reviews tha little thing is like magic
post #54 of 74
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Originally Posted by Maelob View Post

For all interested in sub tuning, I bought a dspeaker anti-mode 8033 for my ht and is sounding really nice. I am planning to buy one for my desktop system. Check the reviews tha little thing is like magic

 

I agree!  DSPeaker has several very interesting digital correction products.  I was considering the Anti-Mode 2.0 Dual Core when I first heard of its room resonance correction feature, but resisted because I had other audio priorities and I didn't have a pressing need for the feature.  As a side note, I'm a big fan of well executed DSP based processing as you can probably surmise from the Realiser listed in my profile - a uniquely revolutionary (vs evolutionary) product in its own right; but, of course, this is a topic for another thread.

The one caveat worth mentioning about the more attractively priced Anti-Mode 8033 is that it only supports an unbalanced signal.  The 8033 is good option for those who do not require support for a balanced signal - but if you do, you can always opt for the Anti-Mode 2.0 Dual Core if you need the additional functionality, as is the case with rrahman's system.


Edited by jazzfan - 6/3/13 at 7:38pm
post #55 of 74

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Edited by rrahman - 7/8/13 at 8:49pm
post #56 of 74

Hey guys,

 

So after doing alot of research I decided that I needed DSP for my new apartment and I finally got my fully balanced, speaker system set up and calibrated.  

 

DSPeaker Anti-Mode 2.0 DualCore => Parasound Halo A21 => Mini Maggies + Magnepan DWM + SVS SB 13 Ultra

 

I got two acoustic concave diffusers behind the Mini's and a 4" bass trap behind the DWM.  

My room is 19' x 12.5' x 8'

Took alot work but I am really impressed with the sound and I think their sound lives up to the FR graph I measured.

 

 

 


Edited by rrahman - 8/10/13 at 7:05pm
post #57 of 74
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Originally Posted by rrahman View Post

Hey guys,

 

So after doing alot of research I decided that I needed DSP for my new apartment and I finally got my fully balanced, speaker system set up and calibrated.  

 

DSPeaker Anti-Mode 2.0 DualCore => Parasound Halo A21 => Mini Maggies + Magnepan DWM + SVS SB 13 Ultra

 

I got two acoustic concave diffusers behind the Mini's and a 4" bass trap behind the DWM.  

My room is 19' x 12.5' x 8'

Took alot work but I am really impressed with the sound and I think their sound lives up to the FR graph I measured.

 

 

 

My God man, you've assembled quite an extraordinary desktop system.  I suspect you'll enjoy it for many years to come.  Well done and congratulations!

Beyond smoothing the frequency response, can you describe the effects of the sound treatments on soundstage, depth and imaging in your system?

post #58 of 74
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Originally Posted by jazzfan View Post

My God man, you've assembled quite an extraordinary desktop system.  I suspect you'll enjoy it for many years to come.  Well done and congratulations!


Beyond smoothing the frequency response, can you describe the effects of the sound treatments on soundstage, depth and imaging in your system?

Aside from evening out the bass, It's very hard to say. The most obvious benefit heard was impulse response. My measurements also supported this. Although this was an improvement from my terrible echoey apartment w/ hardwood floors. I think it would be much more subtle in rooms with better acoustics. Also, I noticed a subtle improvement in sound stage and imaging, but could easily just be placebo. Ireally don't have a great ear for this either. I'm sure it's also heavily dependent on room dimensions. Also, the Maggie's by nature have great imaging and soundstage, so there isn't alot to gain.
Edited by rrahman - 7/30/13 at 6:45pm
post #59 of 74
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I spent a lot of time last night figuring out what sub to buy...

 

Since my current set up is completely balanced and the Mjolnir has no RCA outs, I was leaning towards an expensive subwoofer w/ Right and Left XLR inputs.  I was pretty close to buying the Hsu Research ULS-15

 

Then I finally figured out a way around this.  By using the RCA loop outs on my power amp to plug into a subwoofer, I can avoid buying a sub w/ balanced input.

 

W4S DAC2 => Schiit Mjolnir => Parasound A21 => Magnepan mini's

                                                                       => Subwoofer via RCA loop out

 

Long story short, I bought the SVS SB12 NSD.  Impressions to follow...


What is the recommended power draw to really make the mini maggies sing? I taake it I could not just use the Mjolnir sourced by Gungnir to drive the MMs pretty well? It hink it is good for about 15W IIRC. Other option I am thinking of is the Odyssey Cyclops amp but will need to see about whether or not it would drive a sub also. Is the bass panel really insufficient or are these [above] comments relative to weak bass sans the bass panel?

 

Thanks!

post #60 of 74

Forgot to mention I do have a pair of Audeze LCD 3s with the Schiit stack but looking at the prices of the new Audeze phones I see they are asking 2900 for the LCD3s now and frankly I feel that is ridiculous. They do sound great but not $3000 great and that means looking into alternatives. I have been intrigued with the mini magnepans for quite some time... Just researrching to see what other hardware needs to go with the mini maggies so they would work the best they can.

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