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post #31 of 66
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Exchange them for what, is the question.  I bought the SHE3595 yesterday (mic'd version of the 3590) and it has been noticeably cheapened over the 3580, mic'd or not mic'd (I have both versions of the 3580).  The housing's shell's polish is scuffed (well, maybe not scuffed, so much as the finish of the whole housing being less glossy than the 3580), the brand lettering is pre-worn-out (like silkscreened lettering coming off on old phones, except these are new), and (most importantly) when I put them on the sound is noticeably skewed to one side.  Unless I happen to have got a dud, or the non-mic'd 3590 are somehow better than the mic'd 3595, I would not recommend getting the 3590 in lieu of the 3580.  I have bought a mic'd 3580 and, like, 8 or 9 copies of the non-mic'd 3580 and have never seen anything like it. mad.gif

 

frown.gif  I'm glad I didn't buy them now.  They were cheaper so I didn't know if they were the next model year or the next model down.  It sucks when someone has a good product and then they mess with it.  I guess I'd be exchanging for the XF101s, then, if I exchange.  With the extra bass though, they seem more suited to electronic stuff and not the classic rock or classical I'd be listening to.  I like deep bass, but boomy bass bothers me.

 

Just as a point of reference, I found the PX100s to have a bit too much bass and too rolled off on the treble (but good sound in general).  I have a pair of DT880s which I love for classical and are ok for rock, but want to build a Bottlehead Crack to tame some of the treble and then eventually pick up the DT990 (or the Tesla's, but I just don't think I can justify the price tag on a government salary) just for certain types of music that sound too sterile on the 880s.

 

I'm using an Onkyo SS on them now, and would have already owned a DarkVoice if I hadn't heard good things about Bottlehead Crack and have been waiting until I'm in a better condition medically to build it.  I guess I could have always selected the factory option, but that seemed like taking away half the fun and then I wouldn't have clue how to do the upgrade if I ever wanted it.

 

Back to these 8000s, they seem to have mixed reviews online, but I'm always leary (sp) of reviews from other sites because people don't realize you need to burn in headphones and fit them properly.  Some people say they are great and have deep bass, others say they are lackluster.  The sales girl at Sears said she has the Philips sports version and really likes them.

 

I'm gonna take the X5L with me since I don't care if it disappears, I'll just buy a new Cowon (I still really like it so I'd rather it not be stolen, but its old enough that I've been thinking of upgrading for a while).  Plus the battery lasts forever.  I was thinking about performing surgery on it and putting a 64 GB card in it, but I don't think I should take a chance of screwing it up this close to when I need it.  Plus if I screw up performing surgery on my electronics, I think its a bad omen before having major chest surgery performed.

 

Anyway, I'll probably burn in these SHE8000s for a day and then let you know what I think, unless someone has a better option I can get locally.

post #32 of 66

It's a pity because I have the 8005 (mic'd version of the 8000) and the SHE3580's bass seem tighter over them.  The 3590's sound sig is probably identical to the 3580, but that imbalance... I've had a few people get the 3590 and even the 3595 in my SHE3580 thread and put in good words for them so I don't know if I'm just unlucky.

post #33 of 66
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Well, looks like I'll be stuck in the ER tonight, so I'll have to go with these.  At least if they sound bad, I'll have a couple days to replace them at Best Buy or somewhere with more selection.  I'll report back what I think (no burn in time).

post #34 of 66
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Well, looks like I'll be stuck in the ER tonight, so I'll have to go with these.  At least if they sound bad, I'll have a couple days to replace them at Best Buy or somewhere with more selection.  I'll report back what I think (no burn in time).

What did you end up with?

Hope everything works out OK for you.

Jim
post #35 of 66
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It's a pity because I have the 8005 (mic'd version of the 8000) and the SHE3580's bass seem tighter over them.  The 3590's sound sig is probably identical to the 3580, but that imbalance... I've had a few people get the 3590 and even the 3595 in my SHE3580 thread and put in good words for them so I don't know if I'm just unlucky.

There is no imbalance in my SHE 3590. There is also no noticeable drop in build quality compared to the SHE 3580.

 

You probably got a faulty one. I have bought this year about 10 IEMs and two of them had driver problems. In one (Earjax Tonic) ) it first manifested as stereo imbalance but there was also differences in the left and right drivers frequency responses. I also got a faulty Xears Xears Bullet XB120 Pro. So, I think driver problems in IEMs is quite common.

post #36 of 66
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I needed a dressing changed on a central line.  Last time took hours, but they got me out pretty quick this time.  Anyway...onto the earphones.  No burn in time and I only had time to listen to half an Elton John album.  Also, don't have much experience with IEMs, but my overall impression is pretty bad.

 

Initial impressions:  Wire is a little thin, but usable.  A case of some sort would have been nice.  Otherwise, build quality isn't bad, and comfort seems good, at least for the short time I used them.  Noise isolation seemed good, but I don't have much to compare to.

 

Bass:  Any complaints about lack of bass in reviews means people didn't know how to fit IEMs.  Bass on these is overwhelming.  Its not inaccurate or muddy, just boomy.  This isn't necessarily bad, but I'll get to that later.

 

Treble:  Actually pretty good.  A bit sparkly for my taste, but it seemed fairly accurate and maybe the sparkle will settle out with break in.

 

Mids:  This is where the problem starts.  They were either very recessed or overshadowed by the strong bass and sparkly high end.

 

Overall Balance:  Whoever designed these was tone deaf.  Now, I used them straight out of the box, which may be a problem.  I'll update this if it is, but the overall sound was just bad.  I had to change my normal V shaped rock curve on the X5 to flat just to use them.  Even doing this, the bass was too overwhelming and the mids just didn't exist.  The high end impressed me somewhat.  I stopped by Walmart on my way home, but their selection was crap.  I'll give these a day to break in and if they haven't settled out, I'll see what I can get at another Sears or Best Buy.

 

I'd like to just jump in and buy the $99 Shure's, but for now I'll try and get something decent that's cheap (and available), maybe the 3590, and get better ones when I have the time.

post #37 of 66
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I'm gonna leave these running on a loop overnight.  If they sound good in the morning, I'll keep them.  Probably I'll pack them up and exchange them for the 3500 series.  They were less than half the price, anyway.

post #38 of 66

My impression of difference between the 3580 and 8005:


Red: 3580, black: 8005

I did these impressions by running sine sweeps through a parametric equalizer till they matched a reference frequency response to my ear then inverting the EQ graph.

 

The 3580 is also v-shaped, but in a better sounding way, with less midbass-to-low-mids bloat.  The low-treble spike contributes to a sense of clarity but can be too aggressive for me.

 

I like a player with EQ myself, the more flexible the better.  The 10-band EQ on Poweramp (player app on Android) made the 3580 sound much better to my ears with an A-shaped EQ curve (but then you usually use the Rock EQ eh?) but these days I run all music files through a parametric EQ on my computer before storing them on the phone.  Still there's much to be said for getting a pair that sounds right out of the box (well, after burn in, if you believe in that).  The 3580 does sound right out of the box to many.

 

Another pair I can recommend after personally auditioning is the Sony XBA-1.  That's a bit out of the "cheap" range but not exactly expensive.  It ticks many boxes in my head without EQ and has a meatier low end and less aggressive highs than the Etymotics.

 

Hope you get better soon!


Edited by Joe Bloggs - 7/29/12 at 8:36pm
post #39 of 66
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I think my new plan is to pick up the 3590s tomorrow and see which I like better.  As they're all in the cheap category, I may just keep both.  But if one is clearly better I'll return whichever I don't like.  I can already tell these have settled a little.  Bass is still too much, but less boomy.  Weird shimmer still on the high end, but that could settle.  I've been eying the Shure IEMs for a while, and if my Sennheisers had broken with enough time to order them, I might have gone that direction.  Probably better that I don't bring something expensive with me anyway, though.

post #40 of 66
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Is a high pitch hiss (kinda like a tape hiss) normal in IEMs or are these just bad?  And yes, I realize I should be in bed.

post #41 of 66

They're revealing the low quality of your source (computer, phone, mp3 player, etc.), not a flaw in themselves.

 

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Is a high pitch hiss (kinda like a tape hiss) normal in IEMs or are these just bad?  And yes, I realize I should be in bed.

post #42 of 66

It's not the IEM's fault. The hiss if from whatever they are plugged into. Better sources will have blacker backgrounds (less background noise). Hiss is fairly common with most IEM's with mediocre sources.

 

Sleep now. Ask questions tomorrow.

 

EDIT: Beat me to it. redface.gif

post #43 of 66
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Mediocre source!?!  My X5 was state of the art back in 2005!  Its not my fault Cowon products last forever.  Just because I've been through two PCs, a laptop, multiple headphones, and a TV means I should replace a perfectly good mp3 player? </sarcasm>

 

On a more serious note, I've looked several times to replace it and never found what I was looking for.  My phone plays video files, so I don't need a full media player...just want a good mp3 player w/ flac support (I wouldn't mind a media player, but if it detracts fromt he audio quality, its really unnecessary).  Would a Clip Zip work, as Best Buy has a sale on them this week?  Or should I go with a newer Cowon?

post #44 of 66

I seem to recall reading that the Clip Zip gets only around 7 hours battery life with FLAC, unless you use Rockbox. With Rockbox, perhaps you mght get 13 hours with FLAC? Using Rockbox might permanently make a Sandisk player unable to play protected files. Sandisk players are okay if you use them with an external USB battery pack.  Sandisk might release a new version of the Fuze in around a month.

 

B&H has the 4GB Clip Zip in Blue for $37.40 with free US shipping. The 2GB Clip+ is just $30

 

 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=Sandisk+Clip&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma

 

How much is it at Best Buy? Their website shows $50. I think next month Radio Shack might have the 4GB Clip Zip on sale near the end of the month for $30.

 

I have the Clip+. I like it except for the battery life, only around 12 hours for mp3. Some complain about the Clip Zip not showing the elapsed time when playing a song with the original firmware.

post #45 of 66
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Mediocre source!?!  My X5 was state of the art back in 2005!  Its not my fault Cowon products last forever.  Just because I've been through two PCs, a laptop, multiple headphones, and a TV means I should replace a perfectly good mp3 player? </sarcasm>

 

Haha sorry, sorry. If you want, a 75 ohm adapter will down the background noise a bit, but it may alter the FR of the IEM as well.

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