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post #46 of 61
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Here ya go...

  •  TF10 has that drop off too (in a very slight matter), but moves enough air to stretch to the limits and provide a nice dynamic driver rumble. Unfortunately, it's housing won't allow for an ideal seal, I remember having to hold the housing to get optimal rumble, never possible without the aid of my fingertips. That's something to consider as Rin the maker of the data created an optimal 2nd bend fit that's unfortunately not possible in real-use. Now if the UE900 has that same rumble extension....

Edited by Inks - 9/7/12 at 12:48am
post #47 of 61
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Here ya go...

  •  TF10 has that drop off too (in a slight matter), but moves enough air to stretch to the limits and provide nice dynamic driver rumble. Unfortunately, it's housing won't allow for an ideal seal, I remember having to hold the housing to get optimal rumble, never possible without the aid of my fingertips. That's something to consider as Rin the maker of the data created an optimal 2nd bend fit that's unfortunately not possible in real-use. Now if the UE900 has that same rumble extension....

 

No, but the Heir Audio 3.Ai is most likely the only (new) candidate to have rumble XD  The 900s are no where near anything that the TF10 has been told to be XD


Edited by tinyman392 - 9/7/12 at 12:28am
post #48 of 61
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Oh that's a shame, do fiddle with tips though. Best way to test seal for rumble is to play a 50hz at a loud enough output to know when that optimal rumble is achieved, you'll sometimes find that the ideal is harder to achieve than one might think in BAs.  Don't just insert and hope for the best, move it around a little until the rumble jumps out at you, then try to achieve that with just the seal of the canal. J

 

The Heir 4.ai may have it as well, luckily I'll be able to test both Heir products. The TG334 may be another. 


Edited by Inks - 9/7/12 at 12:36am
post #49 of 61

From what I've been hearing, the 4.Ai doesn't seem to reach as low as the 3.Ai, which is a shame, because my fully custom 4.A does have sufficient extension to my ears, because of the solidified fit, more uniform isolation, and deeper insertion. Rumble is going to be more noticeable on the 3.Ai...


Edited by tomscy2000 - 9/7/12 at 12:49am
post #50 of 61
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Aww good to note, optimal seal is one of those things that sometimes just can't be achieved unless with a proper custom fit. Though there are times where it can be achieved with just universal tips, but that's less common when dealing with bigger housing like these. 


Edited by Inks - 9/7/12 at 1:25am
post #51 of 61
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Huh just saw pic of the naked nozzle on the 4.ai, seems pretty darn short...

 

Rin is going to test the GR10 soon, lets see how that moving armature handles that rumble. 

post #52 of 61
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Huh just saw pic of the naked nozzle on the 4.ai, seems pretty darn short...

 

Rin is going to test the GR10 soon, lets see how that moving armature handles that rumble. 

 

It is. The TG334's is even shorter, though, but I think Suyama actually did some compensation for short nozzle fitment, because it doesn't have the same type of issues that I'm encountering in the 4.Ai. Not that the 4.Ai sounds bad, but its 'shortcomings' seem more apparent when compared to a fully-custom 4.A.

 

Test the GR10 with the leak fixed?

post #53 of 61
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Hmm, thanks for the insight Tomscy, will certainly look into your findings. 

 

Yup, the previous GR10 measurements had a leak as we suspected. Rumble is good for a BA from listening to them, though it's been a while. Luckily Rin got that fixed though, results to come sometime this week maybe. 


Edited by Inks - 9/7/12 at 1:27am
post #54 of 61
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For those that keep up with Rin's blog, here is what is incoming, many VERY interesting IEMs. List in possible order.

 

JVC FXD Series

ML Mikros

RE272

Ultimate Ears Reference Monitor

W4

UE700

XBA4

T-Peos H-100

 

At a later time

Etymotic HF3

Meeelec A161P

Monoprice 8320

 

Estimated completion time for each varies, thus I suggest users to check for updates. 


Edited by Inks - 11/17/12 at 12:14pm
post #55 of 61
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Pretty much drew the conclusion that the top 3 dynamics are the EX1000, RE272 and GR07. I'll say they're pretty close in performance, preference will have a say as to which one to choose. 

 

EX1000

The positive: Best bass performance of the 3, biggest soundstage as well. 

The negative: Most sibilant of the 3 and a bit too forward in the treble. 

 -These have the worst isolation of the 3 but have the best performance in quieter settings. In quieter settings you don't have to turn the volume so loud and the treble peaks become less of an issue. 

 

GR07

GR07 I'll say is slightly the lesser of the 3 but it's the most versatile, can't really do a positive and negative breakdown for these. Bass is looser than the 3 due to bigger midbass but doesn't stray too far from the EX1000's midbass. Treble is similar to the EX1000: Similar midhigh spike and higher treble spike, but toned down a notch making it less offensive though it can still get your attention at times. 'Best for commuting of the 3, RE272 may be missing bass in this setting while the EX1000 will be too bright due to it's sound signature and lesser isolation. 

 

RE272

The positive: Best midrange and treble of the 3. The midrange and treble is smoother than both, yet as transparent and more extended in the high regions. Treble and the fact that it sounds better with a shallow insertion makes the soundstage sound quite airy.

The negative: As it's quite known it can sometimes come off as lacking bass and lower midrange body. 

These can sound fine in bass levels at times, but can also sound like it's missing bass/body. Generally I'm not one to EQ unless it's very minimal, thus I think it's proper for these at times, just add a minimal bass boost.

 

Technically, I'll say RE272>EX1000>GR07 by small margins. I have found that midhighs/treble are the hardest thing to get right in an IEM, the RE272 is easily ahead here. EX1000 have the best bass. GR07s have a bit much midbass and the treble is a bit uneven like the EX1000 though less offensive, but it doesn't stray too far from the other 2 and manages to be the most well-rounded non-EQ. RE272 with a small bass boost is easily ahead of the 3 IMO, whereas fixing the treble issues of the other 2 makes for a harder task. When I tame issues of the 3 via minimal EQing, the RE272 proves to be ahead, only needing a slope going up into the subbass, resulting in better bandwidth at both ends than the other 2.


Edited by Inks - 11/17/12 at 12:59pm
post #56 of 61
I need to try the RE272 sometime or another. Loved the RE0 treble and these sound like a considerable step up overall.
post #57 of 61
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For those that keep up with Rin's blog, here is what is incoming, many VERY interesting IEMs. List in possible order.

 

JVC FXD Series

ML Mikros

RE272

Ultimate Ears Reference Monitor

W4

UE700

XBA4

T-Peos H-100

 

At a later time

Etymotic HF3

Meeelec A161P

Monoprice 8320

 

Estimated completion time for each varies, thus I suggest users to check for updates. 

 

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post #58 of 61
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Pretty much drew the conclusion that the top 3 dynamics are the EX1000, RE272 and GR07. /

 

Pretty much... any info on ATH-CKM1000?

post #59 of 61
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

 

Pretty much... any info on ATH-CKM1000?

I heard it's bassier than the CKM500 which to me was already bloated in the low regions, even more so than the FXD80. Seems some complained it was too dark as well, because of this. Personally, I feel every ATH dynamic IEM has been a major disappointment and don't feel encouraged to try these. 

 

I'm still surprised how Hifiman managed to make such an outstanding IEM in the RE272, now they just need to get the build quality down. Guess using a titanium coated diaphragm helped, though RE262 has the same driver, tuning took it up a notch. 


Edited by Inks - 11/25/12 at 2:19pm
post #60 of 61

All I can recall as a weakness in the RE272 was narrow soundspace, which was clearly in the RE252 as well.  Everything else was pretty exceptional, I didn't mind the light bass, it was high quality and much better than heavy bass which only gives me temporary tinnitus.

 

If you think the CKM500 was bloated down low, I'll skip that then I think.  In my view the CKW1000ANV is closer to FI-BA-SS and farther from GR07, that should give you an indication.  The CKM1000 is apparently the 'brighter' model and close to the CKM99 sound.

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