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Poll Results: New IEMS: Shure SE535 or Westone 4R

 
  • 28% (47)
    Shure SE535
  • 71% (117)
    Westone 4R
164 Total Votes  
post #121 of 158
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

 

If comfort is a concern, the w4r has very few if any real complaints/reviews about being uncomfortable.  The 535 on the other hand has a reasonable amount of complaints/reviews about them being a bit large and/or uncomfortable.

 

To elaborate on that a bit.  The 535 is a tiny bit larger and less smoothly rounded on the back edge.  This causes it to contact some ears and feel like it's poking.  They are also simply a bit (very small amount) larger and a decent amount heavier than the 4r.  The cable is also heavier.  All these things contribute to the possibility of you finding them more uncomfortable.  Some people have no issues at all.  However, the 4r is extremely light, more smooth on the back of the housing, has a lighter cable and doesn't really contact the edge of the ear or weight it down.  So for comfort, there is a much higher chance you'll find the r4 comfortable.  I'd say out of the box the 535 sounds more engaging while the 4r sounds a bit more balanced overall.  But both aren't perfect.  With EQ they both sound better.

 

If you have large ears, the size may not matter, but the weight might still.  If you're worried about comfort, get the 4r.  If you're worried about anything else, get the 4r.  ;) haha  But really, they're both great.  I think most people go with the 4r because they don't lack as much treble.

Thank you very much for your help etysmile.gif, I think I'll go for the 4R then.

One last thing, what do people mean by saying they find the 4R boring? 

post #122 of 158
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Originally Posted by Wiisp View Post

Thank you very much for your help etysmile.gif , I think I'll go for the 4R then.
One last thing, what do people mean by saying they find the 4R boring? 
The treble isn't as recessed, but it's a bit soft in general and the whole sound is sort of balanced and some people prefer more unbalanced sound. The one big thing with the 4r (they all have at least one big thing) is that there is a little extra mid bass that makes them sound warm and less detailed than they could be. However, a really simple eq fixes this, and some people actually like it. It's harder to recover the 535 treble with eq. The 4r sound excellent with any eq, because they are very capable to begin with. I'm about to receive a modded 4r i can't wait to hear, that balances them further.
Edited by luisdent - 8/24/13 at 12:02pm
post #123 of 158

It means they are listening to boring musicetysmile.gif.  I take it as it doesn't color the sound or add any unrealistic frequencies to the music like other phones do. A lot of the time people are expecting more midrange or treble, because the brain equates that to clarity.  The 4Rs reproduce the sounds they are given with maybe a little more bass.

post #124 of 158
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Originally Posted by meat01 View Post

It means they are listening to boring music:etysmile: .  I take it as it doesn't color the sound or add any unrealistic frequencies to the music like other phones do. A lot of the time people are expecting more midrange or treble, because the brain equates that to clarity.  The 4Rs reproduce the sounds they are given with maybe a little more bass.
Yeah, the bass/mid bass is what makes them sound darker or warmer. Eq this down and you're talking pretty balanced sound. Without eq they are balanced but on the warm side.
post #125 of 158
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Originally Posted by meat01 View Post

It means they are listening to boring music:etysmile: .  I take it as it doesn't color the sound or add any unrealistic frequencies to the music like other phones do. A lot of the time people are expecting more midrange or treble, because the brain equates that to clarity.  The 4Rs reproduce the sounds they are given with maybe a little more bass.

Just my 2c but I found the 4r very colored, lacking mids and much too warm. They also seemed too polite, lacking attack. They improved a lot with 100ohm resistance and some eq imo.
post #126 of 158
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Just my 2c but I found the 4r very colored, lacking mids and much too warm. They also seemed too polite, lacking attack. They improved a lot with 100ohm resistance and some eq imo.
Yeah the warm mid bass boost does that to the attack, which is sort of what i meant by soft treble. Eq can makea huge difference with these as they are very capable though. Check out my article on eq'ing them for a very flat response... http://handtokey.blogspot.com/2013/02/westone-4r-eq-settings.html?m=1
post #127 of 158
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

Yeah the warm mid bass boost does that to the attack, which is sort of what i meant by soft treble. Eq can makea huge difference with these as they are very capable though. Check out my article on eq'ing them for a very flat response... http://handtokey.blogspot.com/2013/02/westone-4r-eq-settings.html?m=1

THanks for sharing the EQ settings Luis.
post #128 of 158

It always puzzled me why they tuned it the way they did.  It's a quad driver....give it some balls!!!   (same comment to UE900)

 

Less mid bass and more lower bass would instantly make it less warm with more clarity (like W2).  Then crispen up the treble more.

post #129 of 158
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
 

It always puzzled me why they tuned it the way they did.  It's a quad driver....give it some balls!!!   (same comment to UE900)

 

Less mid bass and more lower bass would instantly make it less warm with more clarity (like W2).  Then crispen up the treble more.

I think at the time they were trying to distant it from the 3 that had just been released.  They probably figured that they didn't need TWO bass heavy phones in the line up so distanced the 4 from the 3 in the way that they did. 

post #130 of 158
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Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post
 

I think at the time they were trying to distant it from the 3 that had just been released.  They probably figured that they didn't need TWO bass heavy phones in the line up so distanced the 4 from the 3 in the way that they did. 

 

I wish they'd use the multi drivers to make an extremely flat response.  Something like the er4s, but they could improve the bass response with the additional drivers perhaps?  I know there's a lot more to it than that, but I don't believe for a second they can't figure out a way to make a studio monitor quality earphone like the er4s with more low bass.  It just hasn't been figured out yet.  Or no one wants to for some reason.

post #131 of 158
The JH13 is exactly that but I'm not aware of one in a universal.
post #132 of 158
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post

The JH13 is exactly that but I'm not aware of one in a universal.
Yeah, I wanted to try that but customs haven't gone well for me. I'm not ready to spend the time and money to hope they work out...
post #133 of 158
post #134 of 158
Which of these would be better for fast, dense music in which case sound separation / instrument separation and fast attack and decay are paramount?
post #135 of 158
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Originally Posted by suburbanite View Post

Which of these would be better for fast, dense music in which case sound separation / instrument separation and fast attack and decay are paramount?

 

Neither.  ;) haha.  i wouldn't call either of them especially fast.  If I had to pick though, I'd say the 4r, especially with a 100ohm or more adapter is faster and better separated for sure.  Stock they are a bit hard to compare.  The 535 has a more balanced sound in the lows, but lack the treble extension of the 4r.  So the treble gives the sense of better separation while the balanced lows of the shure do as well.  I think overall the 4r is still probably a bit better in that regard though.  If you don't mind a bit of EQ, the 4r can sound REALLY good.  The 535 lack the real treble extension to sound as easily "reference" up top.

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