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Poll Results: New IEMS: Shure SE535 or Westone 4R

 
  • 28% (48)
    Shure SE535
  • 71% (119)
    Westone 4R
167 Total Votes  
post #121 of 157

It means they are listening to boring musicetysmile.gif.  I take it as it doesn't color the sound or add any unrealistic frequencies to the music like other phones do. A lot of the time people are expecting more midrange or treble, because the brain equates that to clarity.  The 4Rs reproduce the sounds they are given with maybe a little more bass.

post #122 of 157
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Originally Posted by meat01 View Post

It means they are listening to boring music:etysmile: .  I take it as it doesn't color the sound or add any unrealistic frequencies to the music like other phones do. A lot of the time people are expecting more midrange or treble, because the brain equates that to clarity.  The 4Rs reproduce the sounds they are given with maybe a little more bass.
Yeah, the bass/mid bass is what makes them sound darker or warmer. Eq this down and you're talking pretty balanced sound. Without eq they are balanced but on the warm side.
post #123 of 157
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Originally Posted by meat01 View Post

It means they are listening to boring music:etysmile: .  I take it as it doesn't color the sound or add any unrealistic frequencies to the music like other phones do. A lot of the time people are expecting more midrange or treble, because the brain equates that to clarity.  The 4Rs reproduce the sounds they are given with maybe a little more bass.

Just my 2c but I found the 4r very colored, lacking mids and much too warm. They also seemed too polite, lacking attack. They improved a lot with 100ohm resistance and some eq imo.
post #124 of 157
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post

Just my 2c but I found the 4r very colored, lacking mids and much too warm. They also seemed too polite, lacking attack. They improved a lot with 100ohm resistance and some eq imo.
Yeah the warm mid bass boost does that to the attack, which is sort of what i meant by soft treble. Eq can makea huge difference with these as they are very capable though. Check out my article on eq'ing them for a very flat response... http://handtokey.blogspot.com/2013/02/westone-4r-eq-settings.html?m=1
post #125 of 157
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

Yeah the warm mid bass boost does that to the attack, which is sort of what i meant by soft treble. Eq can makea huge difference with these as they are very capable though. Check out my article on eq'ing them for a very flat response... http://handtokey.blogspot.com/2013/02/westone-4r-eq-settings.html?m=1

THanks for sharing the EQ settings Luis.
post #126 of 157

It always puzzled me why they tuned it the way they did.  It's a quad driver....give it some balls!!!   (same comment to UE900)

 

Less mid bass and more lower bass would instantly make it less warm with more clarity (like W2).  Then crispen up the treble more.

post #127 of 157
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
 

It always puzzled me why they tuned it the way they did.  It's a quad driver....give it some balls!!!   (same comment to UE900)

 

Less mid bass and more lower bass would instantly make it less warm with more clarity (like W2).  Then crispen up the treble more.

I think at the time they were trying to distant it from the 3 that had just been released.  They probably figured that they didn't need TWO bass heavy phones in the line up so distanced the 4 from the 3 in the way that they did. 

post #128 of 157
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Originally Posted by davidcotton View Post
 

I think at the time they were trying to distant it from the 3 that had just been released.  They probably figured that they didn't need TWO bass heavy phones in the line up so distanced the 4 from the 3 in the way that they did. 

 

I wish they'd use the multi drivers to make an extremely flat response.  Something like the er4s, but they could improve the bass response with the additional drivers perhaps?  I know there's a lot more to it than that, but I don't believe for a second they can't figure out a way to make a studio monitor quality earphone like the er4s with more low bass.  It just hasn't been figured out yet.  Or no one wants to for some reason.

post #129 of 157
The JH13 is exactly that but I'm not aware of one in a universal.
post #130 of 157
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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post

The JH13 is exactly that but I'm not aware of one in a universal.
Yeah, I wanted to try that but customs haven't gone well for me. I'm not ready to spend the time and money to hope they work out...
post #131 of 157
post #132 of 157
Which of these would be better for fast, dense music in which case sound separation / instrument separation and fast attack and decay are paramount?
post #133 of 157
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Originally Posted by suburbanite View Post

Which of these would be better for fast, dense music in which case sound separation / instrument separation and fast attack and decay are paramount?

 

Neither.  ;) haha.  i wouldn't call either of them especially fast.  If I had to pick though, I'd say the 4r, especially with a 100ohm or more adapter is faster and better separated for sure.  Stock they are a bit hard to compare.  The 535 has a more balanced sound in the lows, but lack the treble extension of the 4r.  So the treble gives the sense of better separation while the balanced lows of the shure do as well.  I think overall the 4r is still probably a bit better in that regard though.  If you don't mind a bit of EQ, the 4r can sound REALLY good.  The 535 lack the real treble extension to sound as easily "reference" up top.

post #134 of 157
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Originally Posted by suburbanite View Post

Which of these would be better for fast, dense music in which case sound separation / instrument separation and fast attack and decay are paramount?

the se535 is very mid forward, and it doesnt come anywhere near the W4r's instrument separation. also the se535 dont have a wide soundstage. its not um3x small but its not w4r wide either, kinda in the mid.

 

i found the w4r to be very fast, and have good attack and decay, but that really depends on the aspect of decay, as far as bass decay, or vocal decay. now i will say this, i dont use any dap or any music player straight up...so my perception needs to be taken into account the usages of algorhythm solos,ibasso db 2 dacs and ibasso pb2 and RSA SR-71B Amp... so amp and dac are going to play a role on fastness and attack and decay..... just something to take into consideration

post #135 of 157

If you are NOT using an amp I think SE535 craps all over W4 in every regard.

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