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post #16 of 47

This song sound muddy with iPhone4->TF10, sound great with iPhone4->E17->TF10

 

post #17 of 47
I love my iPhone 4 as a music player with IEM's and easy to drive headphones.
post #18 of 47
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Originally Posted by Lan647 View Post


What would be an insane setup to you? Just interested :) 

The full on Stax system running around $11,000 between the 009's and the amp. That would be something I would like to hear. Seem sit gets reviewed as the ultimate. I would enjoy getting a baseline of what "Ultimate" means and then see how my personal gears sounds afterwards.

post #19 of 47
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Were you using a low imedance phones? The 7G IPC has an output impedance of 10 ohm which could affect the bass of such phones.

 

I tried the JVC HAFR201 32ohms.  They sound much better with E17 when using either iPod.  The DT990 Pro 250ohms sounded like junk until the E17, now they sound pretty good, although I could see how having more power would make them even better.

post #20 of 47
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

The full on Stax system running around $11,000 between the 009's and the amp. That would be something I would like to hear. Seem sit gets reviewed as the ultimate. I would enjoy getting a baseline of what "Ultimate" means and then see how my personal gears sounds afterwards.

 

Sigh, you honestly think you have to pay that? Just to clarify, I've listened to the SR-009 and the best amp for them is the STAX-006T. The 007TII and 727 are WAY to powerful for them. They SR-009 doesn't need much power. Just imagine a BHSE, those four EL34 tubes are just extremely overkill for 009s. The sound would probably almost distort. 

 

And I meant what's an insane setup with the HD 800s? :) 

post #21 of 47
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Sigh, you honestly think you have to pay that? Just to clarify, I've listened to the SR-009 and the best amp for them is the STAX-006T. The 007TII and 727 are WAY to powerful for them. They SR-009 doesn't need much power. Just imagine a BHSE, those four EL34 tubes are just extremely overkill for 009s. The sound would probably almost distort. 

 

And I meant what's an insane setup with the HD 800s? :) 

I have never had the chance to hear the HD800's as a balanced set, though I am hoping to get to Canjam this fall. Assuming they are one version of headphone nirvana, I would love to try them with lossless .WAV/FLAC/AIFF through a fully burned in Wyred 4 Sound DAC2 into an Eddie Current Balancing Act.

 

It may not be a "Price is no object" system, but I would certainly like to spend some time with it. Maybe some Steely Dan or Alan Parsons Project?

post #22 of 47
I ended up selling my HD650 and headroom desktop amp/dac because i thought the Sleek Audio SA6's along with my iPhone 4 sounded just as good. Now im very happy with just my CKM500's with my iPhone 4. Good sound doesnt have to be super expensive.
post #23 of 47

currently, i have a samsung galaxy s2, but before that i was using an iphone4. the best pair of headphones i have are the sennheiser hd595's (i'm a poor student) and they did not sound all that amazing or clear through the iphone. i also have a pair of monster turbine pro's, which are quite the bassy earphones, and they sounded fairly nice out of the iphone, though i would imagine most mid range earphones would sound good through portable devices. i truly feel that both my hd595's and my turbine pro's sound much much clearer and more powerful through my desktop soundcard (an asus xonar st) compared to an iphone. I'm not talking about just increasing bass or volume, but the soundstage is much, much wider and i feel that the different instruments in the songs i play are portrayed more clearly compared to an iphone. However, i do not know own an hd800, though i have listened to a pair, so i do not know how they would sound through an iphone compared to through an amp. I do know that, in my case, an iphone does not satisfy my audio needs.
 

post #24 of 47
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Well I doubt an Asus PC soundcard stands a chance against an iPhone. The iPhone is just better quality throughout and what youre hearing is probably that the Asus is more colored, which makes it sound bigger and more powerful (experienced this at first when I compared the phone to my stereo receiver).

I do believe the iPhone (which looks awesome on measurements) is a world class audio source, but a more powerful amping section would be nice.
post #25 of 47

hmm.. it may be true that the sound coming out of my asus sound card may be more coloured, but i personally do feel that it sounds much better than an iphone. the iphone may be more neutral, but rather than just looking for the most neutral amp, i'd rather have my music sound good and enjoy my music so i do not feel that only owning an iphone will be enough. i realize that many people want to hear music that sounds the same as it does in a recording studio, but i feel that i'd rather hear music that sounds good to me. what i am using to listen to music doesn't really matter, as long as it sounds good, and to me an iphone just does not sound all that great so i will probably never restrict myself to only owning an iphone for listening to music.

post #26 of 47
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That is a very interesting post! I think this really brings up how people experience sound differently. 

 

I personally judge sound compared to real life. A good place to start is listening to human voices. No headphone (not HD 800, not Audez'e LCD-3, not SR-007, not SR-009) I've heard can do this. I simply do not think a headphone has the realistic imaging and physicality enough to convince your brain a singer actually stands in front of you. But hey, I can accept that. 

 

I believe in that when judging sound, there should be as little negative coloration as possible in the signal path, and a usual strategy for this is to use as few components as possible. That's why I don't trust Asus, even the Essence One is just packed with stuff that colors the sound in different ways (components always color, little or a lot depends of course). The headphones should be the ones coloring the music IMO. 

 

The iPhone doesn't have any audible distortion or noise to speak of, and my hearing agrees with this. Because of that, I think it's worthy of being used as a reference for testing headphones that aren't awfully hard to drive. 

 

The iPhone, like my desktop system, sounds very smooth, lean, laid-back and slightly warm. This is good for my headphone (the Sennheiser HD 800). But it doesn't sound fun, bombastic or draws attention to itself at all. This isn't always good depending on the music. I like massive bass for movies, I like a lot of finesse and dynamics with Jazz/classical and I like hard-hitting mid-bass for rock. Not all music genres sound "correct" so to speak.

 

The best way to experience music is live. And live, classical and jazz are often played without any electronics or alterations. Rock, on the other hand, uses electronic guitars on stage connected to (usually) average quality speakers that are designed to play LOUD, with massive bass boost that really shakes your world. Lean and accurate isn't always good. This is why I like the headphone to color the music, because you can always have different headphones for different tastes. 

 

People usually mix this with "good and bad". Many things may sound DIFFERENT, but is it always a good or bad thing? I don't think so. People should be more open minded about this, I think the reason the iPhone get's bashed by "high-end" gear owners is because their gear often sound perfect according to their ideal, and that can be tubey, powerful, big or highly analytical. The iphone is none of these, it feels very subtle and uncolored which to many can seem frankly weak and boring.

 

So I understand you completely :) 


Edited by Lan647 - 7/25/12 at 9:54am
post #27 of 47

by the way, do you by any chance know how a samsung galaxy s2 compares to an iphone in sound?

post #28 of 47
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Have not tried myself with a headphone I know well, but I hear the S2 sucks compared. It's a supposedly technically inferior Yamaha cheap DAC variant inside the S2. 
 

post #29 of 47
how about an ipod 2nd generation? is the audio in the iphone different from the ipod?
post #30 of 47
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