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Anything more neutral than the MDR-V6 for $170 budget?

post #1 of 61
Thread Starter 

So I decided to save up and spend a little more on headphones.

 

I'm looking for as neutral a sound as possible for my budget. I'm looking for durability, comfort, sound quality and isolation.

 

So from the frequency graphs I've seen (still very new to this so please correct me if I'm wrong :)), the MDR-V6 is the most neutral headphone for my budget, from my observations (again, please correct me if I'm wrong) it beats the Shure SRH440, Sennheiser HD448 and a lot of much higher priced cans.

 

So is there anything better for my budget? Any help would really be appreciated as I'm really new to all this.

 

Thanks in advance. :)

post #2 of 61

Haven't heard the MDR-V6, but I can personally speak to both the Shure SRH-840 and KRK KNS 6400's neutrality, at the $125 and $75 mark respectively. You might get recommendations of the 6400's big brother, the KRK KNS 8400, at around $120, but when I used it, there was a huge treble spike at 8-10kHz that made listening unpleasant. The SRH-940 is supposed to be a step further towards neutrality compared to the SRH-840, but I haven't heard it personally.

 

Also it's not a full sized headphone, but the Etymotic HF2/3/5 and Harman Kardon 720 (not the same IEM) are the best isolation and neutrality you're ever going to get for around $100.


Edited by soundstige - 7/20/12 at 8:34pm
post #3 of 61

Frequency response graphs, I feel, can sometimes be inaccurate. I personally think something like the AKG K271's are more neutral than the V6's, but if you look at some frequency response graphs they might show just the opposite.

 

The K271's have slightly forward mids, but their bass and treble is less boosted than the V6's. Also, some people complain about the V6's being a little artificial sounding. I'm inclined to agree, but it doesn't really bother me. Still, if you want something less artificial, or more "musical" sounding, the K271's definitely fit the bill.

post #4 of 61

I read great things about the shure 440 in a shoot out in Sound on Sound magazine with other 'neutral' phones. they rated it above the m50 and the Shure 840 in terms of 'neutrality'. IMO, the v6 is far from neutral, graph or no graphs. To my ears, the peak in the upper mids/treble area can be almost unbearable, and I'm not alone in that perception. I much prefer the akg k240 but they're not closed. Check out the long thread on the Beyer dt250. You might luck out and find one within your budget. Much better headphone than the v6. At one time I had both.

post #5 of 61
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Originally Posted by lejaz View Post

I read great things about the shure 440 in a shoot out in Sound on Sound magazine with other 'neutral' phones. they rated it above the m50 and the Shure 840 in terms of 'neutrality'. IMO, the v6 is far from neutral, graph or no graphs. To my ears, the peak in the upper mids/treble area can be almost unbearable, and I'm not alone in that perception. I much prefer the akg k240 but they're not closed. Check out the long thread on the Beyer dt250. You might luck out and find one within your budget. Much better headphone than the v6. At one time I had both.

 

I don't think the V6's are razor-flat neutral, but I think they are fairly neutral. Certainly more so than the M50's.

post #6 of 61
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I don't think the V6's are razor-flat neutral, but I think they are fairly neutral. Certainly more so than the M50's.

Maybe I have a unique set, but other people have also commented on how harsh the highs are on the v6. They're certainly way more harsh than any of the k240's I've heard or the hd580. They've been around a long time, so it's possible they've changed somehow over the various production runs. My set is pretty old.

post #7 of 61
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Originally Posted by lejaz View Post

Maybe I have a unique set, but other people have also commented on how harsh the highs are on the v6. They're certainly way more harsh than any of the k240's I've heard or the hd580. They've been around a long time, so it's possible they've changed somehow over the various production runs. My set is pretty old.

 

I think they certainly do have spiked upper-mids and treble, but, to me at least, they were never quite harsh, just unnatural sounding.

post #8 of 61

I agree they have more treble than the k240 Studio, but I don't find the V6 harsh at all. I actually thought they would have more treble after some of the stuff I've read about them. Some people are more sensitive to treble. My ears are probably shot after playing in bands and being around bands for years. You say treble? huh?

 

I don't think the V6 is ruler flat either, but it is a fun headphone that is close to neutral. We should never trust frequency response graphs though. Plus you could do a lot worse in its price range. 

 

Thanks to this thread I'm going to buy the K271 again. The K271 seems pretty flat until you get to the lower bass. It'll be fun to compare it to the V6. 

 

Kukuk, my wallet curses you!tongue_smile.gif

post #9 of 61
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Originally Posted by staticfi View Post

I agree they have more treble than the k240 Studio, but I don't find the V6 harsh at all. I actually thought they would have more treble after some of the stuff I've read about them. Some people are more sensitive to treble. My ears are probably shot after playing in bands and being around bands for years. You say treble? huh?

 

I don't think the V6 is ruler flat either, but it is a fun headphone that is close to neutral. We should never trust frequency response graphs though. Plus you could do a lot worse in its price range. 

 

Thanks to this thread I'm going to buy the K271 again. The K271 seems pretty flat until you get to the lower bass. It'll be fun to compare it to the V6. 

 

Kukuk, my wallet curses you!tongue_smile.gif

 

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I do think the K271's might be a little rolled off in the bass region, but compared to my CD900ST's, the K271's seem to have pretty decent extension.

post #10 of 61

Brainwavz HM5 headphones

post #11 of 61

The V6 is fairly neutral. I think it is more neutral than most other 'higher end' ones.

Check out the HD280 and HFI-680:

www.ratsound.com/cblog/archives/365-The-Mighty-Headphone-Quest-Part-6.html


Edited by LithosZA - 7/20/12 at 10:55pm
post #12 of 61
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Originally Posted by lejaz View Post

Maybe I have a unique set, but other people have also commented on how harsh the highs are on the v6. They're certainly way more harsh than any of the k240's I've heard or the hd580. They've been around a long time, so it's possible they've changed somehow over the various production runs. My set is pretty old.

 

 

I agree.. My V6 have harsh highs too... And I don't think they are neutral

post #13 of 61
Thread Starter 

First of all, thanks for all the quick replies guys. :)

 

I'm actually trying to figure out how I'm going to compare all the suggestions in this topic so far. :p

 

So far, the suggestions are (to summarise):

 

Shure SRH-840

KRK KNS 6400

Shure SRH-940

Etymotic HF2

Etymotic HF3

Etymotic HF5

Harmon Kardon 720

AKG K271

Shure SRH-440

Beyer DT250

Brainwavz HM5

HFI-680

 

Didn't include the HD280 since I'm looking for durability as well and the HD280 has way too many cases of broken headbands.

 

So going purely by frequency response graphs, which of these are the flattest? I would've compared these myself, but I'm not too sure of my graph reading skills anymore since when I compared the SRH440 and the V6s I interpreted the chart as showing the V6 to be more neutral. hehe

 

Oh and if anyone has any more suggestions, please do post. :)

 

Thanks.

 

Edit: I thought I'll include the frequency response graphs from HeadRoom to help:

 

 

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Couldn't find graphs for the HFI-680, Harman Kardon 720 and HM5, sorry.


Edited by Siva108 - 7/21/12 at 12:28am
post #14 of 61

Based solely on the graph, it's understandable to see the V6's as more neutral than the SRH-440's. But, again, graphs can be questionable at best.

 

I really wish I'd heard more of those so I could compare them. All I can say it that I have a taste for studio-type headphones, and of all the headphones I've owned, I classify these as being studio or semi-studio-type: V6's, K271's, Pro DJ100's, K601's, DT770 Pro's, and CD900ST's. And to my ear, I would consider the K271's to be very neutral. There's certainly better options at higher prices, but in it's price range, I think it's probably the best.

post #15 of 61
Thread Starter 

I appreciate the help man, but the reason I'm going purely by frequency graphs is to find which one is objectively the most neutral.

 

Btw, am I right in interpreting the KRK 6400 as more neutral than the SRH840s? (testing my graph reading abilities)

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