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Suing Monster or anything affiliated with Monster would be like going to war with the United States - there is no winning move. Even if you win, you still lose.

And how many believe that it's going to get media attention and put a dent in the movement?

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Fanny Wang is kind of a blatant ripoff

 

No doubt about it.  You would a figure a "designer" would want originality right?  Nope, apparently not.  IMO, Fanny Wang deserved it, but that doesn't change the fact that it was based on appearance and not SQ. 

 

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To the rest - I'll agree on the principle of your compression thing (and I'm glad to see someone else who dislikes interpolation!), but what I'll add is:  Some headphones can be far more forgiving of audio with a lot of nasty compression artefacts, despite being very detailed. AFAIK this is related to resonance and HF response, but I haven't seen enough graphs vs hearing "forgiving headphones" to really say what mediates it. I can tell you though, for example, that the PRO2900, MDR-F1, and SR-325 are absolutely BRUTAL with overly compressed music (basically unlistenable), but the HFI-2400, MDR-SA5000, and SR-225 (or RS-1) are far more forgiving (you still hear it, but it doesn't overbear on the signal).

 

Hmm, this is interesting.  Agreed, I highly doubt that Beats has a whole team of world-class acoustic engineers in house to exploit this.  So, I'm inclined to believe that they're doing it with a combination of low-efficiency drivers and maybe some resistors and caps in their PCBs.  Some basic sound shaping via filters at the expense of detail.

 

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Most of the blind-hate that Beats take today was levied against Bose (word for word in most cases) a few years ago, and that's cooled recently as people have started actually listening to Bose products.

 

Sure, but in all fairness they do get called out on it as well.  I'll take your word for it on the Bose-bashing as I just wasn't around back then.  I've auditioned a few and they're just not my bag.  But I can see how someone who needs ANC for air travel and such would like them - especially if they're not very discerning listeners.

 

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Regarding wild claims by other companies, oh god, where to start; look up all of the marketing related to:
Kimber

 

I like their .45 ACPs but I never knew they made cans.  What an odd combination of products, should make for interesting reading.

 

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and you have a soothing voice, so that helps too

 

And a "trusty blade" for when things get rough.

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No doubt about it.  You would a figure a "designer" would want originality right?  Nope, apparently not.  IMO, Fanny Wang deserved it, but that doesn't change the fact that it was based on appearance and not SQ. 

Yeah but I think if someone cloned the HD 800 or T1 there'd also be a trade dress lawsuit. Then again, Superlux is still around.
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Hmm, this is interesting.  Agreed, I highly doubt that Beats has a whole team of world-class acoustic engineers in house to exploit this.  So, I'm inclined to believe that they're doing it with a combination of low-efficiency drivers and maybe some resistors and caps in their PCBs.  Some basic sound shaping via filters at the expense of detail.

FWIR the Beats headphones are pretty sensitive/efficient - they certainly meet two of out four of the design goals of a headphone imho:

1. Drive from anything
2. Sound more or less the same from anything

I don't know if they meet the other two (sound good and be comfortable).
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Sure, but in all fairness they do get called out on it as well.  I'll take your word for it on the Bose-bashing as I just wasn't around back then.  I've auditioned a few and they're just not my bag.  But I can see how someone who needs ANC for air travel and such would like them - especially if they're not very discerning listeners.

Yeah. Certainly. I don't think the QC15 are a $300 headphone PURELY BASED ON THEIR SOUND QUALITY, but when you factor in the comfort and ANC and entire package, they are worthy of their asking price. They're probably a $200-ish headphone purely on SQ (like the HFI-2400 for example, just like the AE2 is fairly around $100-$140 like the HD 280 and Q40).
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I like their .45 ACPs but I never knew they made cans.  What an odd combination of products, should make for interesting reading.

Okay goofus. rolleyes.gif I meant Kimber Kable, not the manufacturer of awesome 1911 goodness.
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And a "trusty blade" for when things get rough.

I miss patrick82's unboxing videos where he'd get the tactical knife and crowbar when things got bad. His voice wasn't as soothing though, and he always shot his stuff in the middle of the night so it was like the Blair Witch Unboxes Stuff: Extra Creepy Edition. So in short, yeah I agree, HiFiGuy has the right balance of extreme force and personality.
post #64 of 91
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Yeah but I think if someone cloned the HD 800 or T1 there'd also be a trade dress lawsuit.

 

Interesting you should mention that.  I saw a couple of interesting clones the other day.  A brand called "Slick" has taken to cloning XB300s.  I don't have any idea of how the SQ is (don't like the real XB300 much, not about to drop $10 on a clone).  And Sentry has a Qualia clone.  I expect that its only a matter of time before they get called on them.

 

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Then again, Superlux is still around.

 

Yeah, but they found a loophole of sorts.  Because they Frankenstein'd their offerings, both AKG and A-T have cause.  But the problem here is that you can't have two different companies claiming trade dress infringement as each company would dilute the other's claims.

 

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FWIR the Beats headphones are pretty sensitive/efficient

 

Well, apparently the SoloHD has got some issues, as HiFiGuy recently found out.

 

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Yeah. Certainly. I don't think the QC15 are a $300 headphone PURELY BASED ON THEIR SOUND QUALITY, but when you factor in the comfort and ANC and entire package, they are worthy of their asking price. They're probably a $200-ish headphone purely on SQ (like the HFI-2400 for example, just like the AE2 is fairly around $100-$140 like the HD 280 and Q40).

 

Don't think I've ever heard the AE2, and I've only auditioned the QC15 briefly under less than ideal surroundings, so I can't say anything there.  I have given the QC3 a decent listen and I would say that for non-audiophile cans they are alright (i.e. not exactly hellspawn like some people would say).  Having said that though, I would prefer my HD 238s to the QC3s as long as ANC was not a consideration.

 

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Okay goofus. rolleyes.gif I meant Kimber Kable, not the manufacturer of awesome 1911 goodness.

 

OT:  Been a while since I've hit the range.  Was just starting to get semi-decent too (1.5 inch groupings @ 50~60 feet when double-tapping).  All out of practice now... frown.gif

 

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I miss patrick82's unboxing videos where he'd get the tactical knife and crowbar when things got bad. His voice wasn't as soothing though, and he always shot his stuff in the middle of the night so it was like the Blair Witch Unboxes Stuff: Extra Creepy Edition. So in short, yeah I agree, HiFiGuy has the right balance of extreme force and personality.

 

Haha, I think I saw one of those the other day.  I remember thinking that it was like a paranormal investigations type of video. 

 

If I had a decent camera, I'd like to do a HiFiGuy-style unboxing spoof (all in good fun of course), complete with the customary language:  "OCD like me", "they LOVE twisty ties", etc.

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If I had a decent camera, I'd like to do a HiFiGuy-style unboxing spoof (all in good fun of course), complete with the customary language:  "OCD like me", "they LOVE twisty ties", etc.

 

That would be a lot of fun. 

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That would be a lot of fun. 

 

Yeah right?  We should have a bunch of us do it, and make a contest out of it.  I think it'd be hilarious, plus we would get some coverage of headphones that you don't have - yet.

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I would put it in the feed for everyone to enjoy.  :)

 

The Studio is perhaps the least of my liking from Beats.

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I am watching.... very carefully

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Interesting you should mention that.  I saw a couple of interesting clones the other day.  A brand called "Slick" has taken to cloning XB300s.  I don't have any idea of how the SQ is (don't like the real XB300 much, not about to drop $10 on a clone).  And Sentry has a Qualia clone.  I expect that its only a matter of time before they get called on them.

Is it a good Qualia clone? (I'm thinking for DIY purposes, just because it'd look cool).
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Yeah, but they found a loophole of sorts.  Because they Frankenstein'd their offerings, both AKG and A-T have cause.  But the problem here is that you can't have two different companies claiming trade dress infringement as each company would dilute the other's claims.

Yeah, it's like water rights claims - very tricksy.
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Don't think I've ever heard the AE2, and I've only auditioned the QC15 briefly under less than ideal surroundings, so I can't say anything there.  I have given the QC3 a decent listen and I would say that for non-audiophile cans they are alright (i.e. not exactly hellspawn like some people would say).  Having said that though, I would prefer my HD 238s to the QC3s as long as ANC was not a consideration.

Never heard the QC2 or QC3, a friend who's had the ANC sets for years went from the QC2 to the QC15 and said it was a big improvement FWIW. I've had both TriPort generations. I'll say this about them:

My R/80 are on-par with the TriPort and less microphonic, and I'd take an HD 280 in there as well, all three are good, and the Bose cost the most. The QC15 are basically how I'd want a mobile full-size can to be - they're probably 80% of the K1000, but half the weight, $100 cheaper, and have the ANC. So that makes them stars imho.
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Haha, I think I saw one of those the other day.  I remember thinking that it was like a paranormal investigations type of video. 

Yeah, he did one where he was unboxing a power cable, and it came in a wooden crate (no idea why the manu did this, he posted a thread asking for advice on how to open it without breaking the cable, you might be able to find it - this was like 3-4 years ago), and eventually he just made a video and was like "this box protects the cable so well, but is impossible to open" and then cut in some really dramatic music and did a pan shot of his crowbar, and then iirc cut in the half-life 2 music, and just annihilated the box on camera. The cable was thankfully wrapped in foam paper and surrounded by straw, so it wasn't damaged, but it was a funny video to watch.
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If I had a decent camera, I'd like to do a HiFiGuy-style unboxing spoof (all in good fun of course), complete with the customary language:  "OCD like me", "they LOVE twisty ties", etc.

You have to remember:
"Hello YouTube!" with his trademark inflection on the "o" sound. I really miss that introduction; it was so peppy and enthusiastic.

"Hello YouTube! Today we're going to..."
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I would put it in the feed for everyone to enjoy.  smily_headphones1.gif

The Studio is perhaps the least of my liking from Beats.

Cool to hear on both counts, interesting on Studio - I remember swbf2 saying he felt the Studio was one of their better offerings (but I don't think he'd heard all of them as you have). Tyll put the Studio below the QC15 and the ANC7 in his ANC round-up, but I think it was more because the ANC feature wasn't up to par, not because of SQ. Might be remembering not-perfectly-accurately though. redface.gif
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Just blows me… Is it like some kind of marketing experiment? Does Dre want to prove that you can sell things for twice the price if you just put "Dis iz gud" on the box? 

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You guys like "hello YouTube" more than "hey guys"?
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I am watching.... very carefully

 

Slowly reaches for Kevlar...  biggrin.gif

 

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Is it a good Qualia clone? (I'm thinking for DIY purposes, just because it'd look cool).

 

NOOO...  They got the shape and armature down, but the finish is like a kid with palsy being given model paint.  Not completely hideous, but definitely looks like a DIY job.

 

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Never heard the QC2 or QC3, a friend who's had the ANC sets for years went from the QC2 to the QC15 and said it was a big improvement FWIW. I've had both TriPort generations. I'll say this about them:  My R/80 are on-par with the TriPort and less microphonic, and I'd take an HD 280 in there as well, all three are good, and the Bose cost the most. The QC15 are basically how I'd want a mobile full-size can to be - they're probably 80% of the K1000, but half the weight, $100 cheaper, and have the ANC. So that makes them stars imho.

 

If I ever get a chance to give the QC15 a decent audition, I'd take it.  Don't think I'd buy one for the sake of doing so, but I'm open to new experiences (even if I may wind up regretting it later - or not).

 

On a side note, I saw a kid (probably 15 or 16 years old) rockin' HD 280s the other day instead of Beats.  Made me do a double take.  Don't know what his friends think but he's cool in my book.  Actually, its for the best since my opinion matters, his friends' opinions not so much.  Kidding of course, but no not really.

 

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You have to remember:
"Hello YouTube!" with his trademark inflection on the "o" sound. I really miss that introduction; it was so peppy and enthusiastic.
"Hello YouTube! Today we're going to..."

 

LOL.  There are certain little quirks about all his vids that I dig, they lend the videos a certain authenticity.  For example, in the portable shoot-out, "Focal" was pronounced more like "SoCal" as opposed to "local".  Seriously, you can't fake that kind of stuff, know what I mean?

 

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Just blows me… Is it like some kind of marketing experiment? Does Dre want to prove that you can sell things for twice the price if you just put "Dis iz gud" on the box? 

 

It could very well be the result of an outrageous prop bet he made with someone about the general stupidity of people.  Problem is, he's winning that bet.

 

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You guys like "hello YouTube" more than "hey guys"?

 

I totally HATE that convention, never liked it, or understood it.  I don't mean the phonic quality btw, it's more of a lexical thing for me.  It's like grabbing lunch with my co-workers, and having someone come up to our table and saying "hey In-N-Out!"  My response would be, "uh, the ordering counter is over there yonder b*tch.  Come back when you learn how to address people properly."

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Ok, I'll go back to "hello YouTube". smily_headphones1.gif I actually don't like "hey guys" because I may have ladies watching. smily_headphones1.gif
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post #74 of 91
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NOOO...  They got the shape and armature down, but the finish is like a kid with palsy being given model paint.  Not completely hideous, but definitely looks like a DIY job.

That's what I figured - they'd get half of it done right, and the other half screwed up. Like the fake ESW9s.
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If I ever get a chance to give the QC15 a decent audition, I'd take it.  Don't think I'd buy one for the sake of doing so, but I'm open to new experiences (even if I may wind up regretting it later - or not).

Do you have an actual Bose store near you? IME those are usually less crowded/noisy than Apple stores or Best Buy. redface.gif
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I've auditioned the Bose QCxx.  The NC is very good, but the sound is dull.

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