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Poll Results: What do you think of amp recommendations in general?

 
  • 11% (17)
    Disgustingly not thought out, just recommended from the single amp they have tried
  • 13% (19)
    Poorly thought out, mostly blind brand loyalty
  • 42% (60)
    50/50, a lot of zealots but about the same number of helpful recommendations
  • 11% (16)
    Mostly people here know what they are saying
  • 14% (21)
    WiR3D is a zealot.
  • 6% (9)
    I disagree with you most things, people can recommend from there own experience, even if it is just the one amp that they own.
142 Total Votes  
post #271 of 436

Addendum: amps are different though, the difference between two amps is much more audible than between two sources. Cables are another step down the ladder. And lets not talk about power components, sometimes I get the feeling that the more expensive these are the worse they sound.

post #272 of 436
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Originally Posted by AppleheadMay View Post

Addendum: amps are different though, the difference between two amps is much more audible than between two sources. Cables are another step down the ladder. And lets not talk about power components, sometimes I get the feeling that the more expensive these are the worse they sound.

 

 

uuummm  You think so???  I always wondered that.  DACs can really shape you music.

post #273 of 436

Anyone tried the TTVJ Slim with the Denon's? I felt like they were a match in heaven! Probably even better than my NFB 5.2, sound signature wise. It is more laid back, warm and sounds very natural; whereas on my main rig it just seems like something is a tiny bit off.

 

It could be expectation bias as well, because I expect my NFB to be the best performer in the whole, and I have an awful lot of different headphones next to it, making me expecting something very nice out of the D5000 since competition is a lot greater.

post #274 of 436

Breaking News:

 

I just saw that Schiit has released a new DAC and Amp which are both $99. The best part is, the output impedance of the amp is less than 0.1 ohm, so I might have to see what that's about. I'll probably order one just to try it.

 

FYI, talking about the Schiit Magni and Modi.

post #275 of 436

Shiiiiiitttt! :)

Do let us know how they sound. A low impedance isn't the whole story but it surely won't hurt.

Little gems are always possible and they may/may not sound as good as their more expensive counterparts but they do have a place in systems for people who don't want to spend that much and still want a great sound for their money.

post #276 of 436
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uuummm  You think so???  I always wondered that.  DACs can really shape you music.

Yep, I think so, else I wouldn't have written it.

Sources do indeed imprint their sig on the overall sound but changing amps in a system has a much bigger impact than changing sources. At least for me.

post #277 of 436
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Originally Posted by AppleheadMay View Post

Yep, I think so, else I wouldn't have written it.

Sources do indeed imprint their sig on the overall sound but changing amps in a system has a much bigger impact than changing sources. At least for me.

 

 

Ok don't get you panties up in a bunch biggrin.gif   just joking.

post #278 of 436
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As I said and WIR3D agreed with, for the amp part at least.

But if we start matching Dacs with phones, in my humble opinion, we will be BSing the crap out of ourselves, which is exactly what WIR3D is trying to prevent here.

I can understand where you're coming from though, some of the amps are amp/dac combos, but it's mainly the amps and amp parts of combos we're talking about here. Or at least that was/is my impression.

 

I second that. It is important to match a proper amp with a headphone, but matching the proper source is another story altogether. That is one of the reasons I use the Metrum Octave, which is said to be one of the most neutral, least colored high-end DAC out there. As one reviewer put it, the Metrum Octave is like mineral water whereas most DAC's are carbonated drinks with different flavors.

 

However, since the Denon and Fostex headphones are rather "colored" headphones, I think it would be wise to choose a neutral sounding DAC like the Octave. Colored headphone + colored DAC may sound too colored.

post #279 of 436
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

uuummm  You think so???  I always wondered that.  DACs can really shape you music.

The difference between an atrocious DAC and a decent one is massive, the difference between a decent one and the top of the lines ones, is very little. 

 

In regard to Denons - the difference between no amplification and decent amplification is decent, and the difference as you go up the ladder is also fairly decent. But it does hit the law of diminishing returns, but nowhere near as early or as hard as DAC's.

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I second that. It is important to match a proper amp with a headphone, but matching the proper source is another story altogether. That is one of the reasons I use the Metrum Octave, which is said to be one of the most neutral, least colored high-end DAC out there. As one reviewer put it, the Metrum Octave is like mineral water whereas most DAC's are carbonated drinks with different flavors.

 

However, since the Denon and Fostex headphones are rather "colored" headphones, I think it would be wise to choose a neutral sounding DAC like the Octave. Colored headphone + colored DAC may sound too colored.

I agree. Although the only thing I would avoid is a harsh DAC.

 

From CustomNuts's testimony having the smoother sounding Yulong D18 + ruthless  AudioGD Master 8 was a much better pairing then the AudioGD Ref 7.1 + Yulong A18. Go Figure. Not that I would call the A18 coloured, but possibly too .... something.

post #280 of 436
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Originally Posted by WiR3D View Post

The difference between an atrocious DAC and a decent one is massive, the difference between a decent one and the top of the lines ones, is very little. 

 

In regard to Denons - the difference between no amplification and decent amplification is decent, and the difference as you go up the ladder is also fairly decent. But it does hit the law of diminishing returns, but nowhere near as early or as hard as DAC's.

I agree. Although the only thing I would avoid is a harsh DAC.

 

From CustomNuts's testimony having the smoother sounding Yulong D18 + ruthless  AudioGD Master 8 was a much better pairing then the AudioGD Ref 7.1 + Yulong A18. Go Figure. Not that I would call the A18 coloured, but possibly too .... something.

 

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Originally Posted by songmic View Post

 

I second that. It is important to match a proper amp with a headphone, but matching the proper source is another story altogether. That is one of the reasons I use the Metrum Octave, which is said to be one of the most neutral, least colored high-end DAC out there. As one reviewer put it, the Metrum Octave is like mineral water whereas most DAC's are carbonated drinks with different flavors.

 

However, since the Denon and Fostex headphones are rather "colored" headphones, I think it would be wise to choose a neutral sounding DAC like the Octave. Colored headphone + colored DAC may sound too colored.

 

Agreed, something "natural" would be a good choice. Smooth, which means a hint of warmth that only prevents harshness. But still, in the end the choice of amp can enhance the sound of the dac, nicely complement it or even completely override it.

 

I don't think of the Denons as colored headphones though but that's because of the other phones I like to listen to. They do have a little (or more than a little if seen from a different perspective/experience) coloration indeed but nowhere near the coloration ATs have. For the record, I enjoyed the sound of most of the ATs a lot as well.

In any case, phones without any coloration wouldn't float my boat. Things like harsh and lifeless come to my mind. So I'm glad for the coloration of the Denons.

post #281 of 436

I would describe the Dx000's as having not necessarily a warmth or grit, but more of a sonic "vignette." Think of the Photoshop effect (a la instagram). Makes no sense to anyone but me, I'm sure.

 

With that said, I'm not at the level where anyone here would value my opinion in terms of a DAC recommendation, and for good reason. I have little to no experience outside of an Audioengine D1 and D5000 pairing. The only thing I would say that I know for sure, is that I do not like my D5000 with anything that is too smooth or warm. It really destroys the separation and 3D effect that I can get with D5000 / D1 / Audirvana.

 

My Cowon X9 is borderline too smooth, but the effects are so nice that it doesn't keep me from enjoying it, especially over the flat / boring sound of an unamped iPod classic.

 

I do want to get the new Schiit combo to report back my findings, at least as it relates to a comparison with the D1 (and an Onkyo receiver, etc.)

post #282 of 436

While I'm testing the new Magni / Modi, I'd also be interested in hearing if the Yulong U100 is a good buy. I keep overlooking that one.

post #283 of 436
Thread Starter 
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While I'm testing the new Magni / Modi, I'd also be interested in hearing if the Yulong U100 is a good buy. I keep overlooking that one.

I tried to get feedback on that but couldn't find anything the last time I checked

post #284 of 436

Just made the payment for a second hand Yulong D100 ( 315 euro ) It should be on it's way by next week from Germany, I live in Norway so it should be here by mid-January. I had an E17 that I sold off to afford this so I will make a comparison from what I remember of it against the Yulong. I really hope it will take my D5K to new levels! From what I've read it will compared to the E17.

post #285 of 436

Also, the ORB JADE-2 (DA-HPU1) is really expensive at $1675, but it has 0.1ohm output.

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