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post #196 of 839
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Originally Posted by Deadlovestory View Post  Strictly speaking the inside part of F111's horn is shaped like a wide-angled conical horn, albeit a really short and tiny one.

 

It doesn't count; it's the entire system, including the ear tips. The second half of the horn looks more like a Tractrix curve, but I can't be for sure.

post #197 of 839
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

 

LOL I haven't even put in the pre-order yet! Estimates from BTG put the ship date at mid-to-late February. So, it probably won't reach me until March. And, for full disclosure, I don't own the F111 --- I often listen to it because I have access to it, but I don't own it. I was going to buy the F111, but I ultimately decided against it. The Starlight cable will be going toward something else (that I won't go into right now). Obviously, it involves plugging into a FitEar or HD-25/600/650 socket... that's all I'll say for now. I can, of course, give you thoughts on how it feels with the F111.

i see... do you own a fitear tg334? I'm not sure to get the starlight or sunrise for f111, as it's bright sounding, i feel copper will probably be better for f111, but i would like to explore new possibilities 

post #198 of 839
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Originally Posted by dunno34231 View Post  i see... do you own a fitear tg334? I'm not sure to get the starlight or sunrise for f111, as it's bright sounding, i feel copper will probably be better for f111, but i would like to explore new possibilities 


Again, same situation as with the F111... people just assume I own it because I started the thread and comment in it; I've merely listened to both models so much that it feels like I own them... I'd rather not get into the sonic aspects of cables because I feel that it's a very personal matter. I can only offer up what I hear.

post #199 of 839
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post


Again, same situation as with the F111... people just assume I own it because I started the thread and comment in it; I've merely listened to both models so much that it feels like I own them... I'd rather not get into the sonic aspects of cables because I feel that it's a very personal matter. I can only offer up what I hear.

sorry for the mistake but from your comment about plans of buying the btg cable made me infer that u might own one of the fitears. Anyway see that you own a 4.A could i ask you for a comparison between them if u could? 

post #200 of 839
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

It doesn't count; it's the entire system, including the ear tips. The second half of the horn looks more like a Tractrix curve, but I can't be for sure.

Doesn't look like Tractrix, but it could be my eyes playing tricks on me. Ok, it does look like Tractrix curve.

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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

Again, same situation as with the F111... people just assume I own it because I started the thread and comment in it; I've merely listened to both models so much that it feels like I own them... I'd rather not get into the sonic aspects of cables because I feel that it's a very personal matter. I can only offer up what I hear.

Maybe because you sound super-knowledgeable about F111~ But seriously, I'd like to know what you hear or if you notice any differences with the BTG cable. *Plays the waiting game* 

post #201 of 839
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Originally Posted by dunno34231 View Post  sorry for the mistake but from your comment about plans of buying the btg cable made me infer that u might own one of the fitears. Anyway see that you own a 4.A could i ask you for a comparison between them if u could? 

 

No need to apologize; I can definitely understand why people would think that. A comparison between the 4.A and the F111? The 4.A is warmer and has boosted lower mids, along with stronger bass. Bass speed, IMO, is better and more resolving on the 4.A. The 4.A also has better bass extension. The F111 has a very flat FR; it has smooth, linear transitions throughout the frequency spectrum, whereas the 4.A dips downward briefly from ~3.6-4 kHz; the dip, along with the boosted lower mids, explains the warmer presentation. The boosted lower mids also makes the 4.A sound more forward/intimate with vocals, whereas the F111 has very flat, Ety-like vocals. Detail retrieval is superior on the 4.A in the lower mids, while it's superior on the F111 in the upper mids. Presentation in the treble is a little different. Pianos will be warmer and softer on the 4.A, while it'll be brighter and more etched with the F111. High frequency brightness is similar. The 4.A has a boost in the "clarity" region around ~6k, while the F111 doesn't, lending to more of that flat presentation. In terms of musical enjoyment, I enjoy both equally. The F111 has that flat presentation that is very transparent, while the 4.A approximates neutral with intimate vocals. It warms up the lower mids and brightens up the clarity, thereby giving it an overall neutral feel. It really depends on personal preferences. I didn't end up buying the F111 partly because the 4.A did a lot of the same things for me, albeit in a slightly different sound signature. Detail retrieval is something that I care about a lot, and the 4.A is overall better except in the upper mids. This is an important region, but I discovered that the gap wasn't necessarily too big, and that the 4.A wasn't completely missing out on certain details. Thus, I decided to stick with it. I've listened to the F111 a lot; I was extremely close to buying one, but I decided to go with a silicone CIEM instead. I want the extra isolation (not that the isolation on the F111 is bad). I'll try to post impressions when the time comes.

post #202 of 839
It does seem if one needs the combination of the F111's excellent FR and excellent bass extension we have to go custom at the moment.
post #203 of 839
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

No need to apologize; I can definitely understand why people would think that. A comparison between the 4.A and the F111? The 4.A is warmer and has boosted lower mids, along with stronger bass. Bass speed, IMO, is better and more resolving on the 4.A. The 4.A also has better bass extension. The F111 has a very flat FR; it has smooth, linear transitions throughout the frequency spectrum, whereas the 4.A dips downward briefly from ~3.6-4 kHz; the dip, along with the boosted lower mids, explains the warmer presentation. The boosted lower mids also makes the 4.A sound more forward/intimate with vocals, whereas the F111 has very flat, Ety-like vocals. Detail retrieval is superior on the 4.A in the lower mids, while it's superior on the F111 in the upper mids. Presentation in the treble is a little different. Pianos will be warmer and softer on the 4.A, while it'll be brighter and more etched with the F111. High frequency brightness is similar. The 4.A has a boost in the "clarity" region around ~6k, while the F111 doesn't, lending to more of that flat presentation. In terms of musical enjoyment, I enjoy both equally. The F111 has that flat presentation that is very transparent, while the 4.A approximates neutral with intimate vocals. It warms up the lower mids and brightens up the clarity, thereby giving it an overall neutral feel. It really depends on personal preferences. I didn't end up buying the F111 partly because the 4.A did a lot of the same things for me, albeit in a slightly different sound signature. Detail retrieval is something that I care about a lot, and the 4.A is overall better except in the upper mids. This is an important region, but I discovered that the gap wasn't necessarily too big, and that the 4.A wasn't completely missing out on certain details. Thus, I decided to stick with it. I've listened to the F111 a lot; I was extremely close to buying one, but I decided to go with a silicone CIEM instead. I want the extra isolation (not that the isolation on the F111 is bad). I'll try to post impressions when the time comes.
[/quoteD thanks for the reply! Aw man better detail retrieval is better on 4a? Sounds like I should have gotten the 4ai instead since it's so much cheaper. Also u mentioned u might be getting the starlight cable for fitear? If u don't have any fitear iem what are u getting them for?
post #204 of 839

Seems that FitEar is making a universal IEM specifically for use with the AK100. It's called the AK100-111is:

 

http://www.iriver.jp/product/iriver/ak100/ak100-111is.html

 

Anyone know anything about how it compares to the F111? I'm wondering if it's just a rebranded F111, or if the tuning is different to specifically pair with the AK100.

post #205 of 839
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

Seems that FitEar is making a universal IEM specifically for use with the AK100. It's called the AK100-111is:

 

http://www.iriver.jp/product/iriver/ak100/ak100-111is.html

 

Anyone know anything about how it compares to the F111? I'm wondering if it's just a rebranded F111, or if the tuning is different to specifically pair with the AK100.

 

Wow I'm surprised of all people you got this info late :D.

 

It's specifically tuned for the AK100 supposedly. It doesn't reveal much but I guess that means it's a high impedance earphone like the Heir Tzar series. What the impedance is, I don't know at the moment.

 

They're also made to order. Each month (or it used to be last year at least), they will make only 5 of these "special" F111's - ordering is via Rakuten.

post #206 of 839
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

 

Wow I'm surprised of all people you got this info late :D.

 

It's specifically tuned for the AK100 supposedly. It doesn't reveal much but I guess that means it's a high impedance earphone like the Heir Tzar series. What the impedance is, I don't know at the moment.

 

They're also made to order. Each month (or it used to be last year at least), they will make only 5 of these "special" F111's - ordering is via Rakuten.

 

 

I saw it announced last year, but I forgot about it until someone mentioned they got one the other day. I was mainly curious as to whether it differed from the F111 sonically or not, as "tuned" would imply more than impedance matching methinks.

post #207 of 839
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

I saw it announced last year, but I forgot about it until someone mentioned they got one the other day. I was mainly curious as to whether it differed from the F111 sonically or not, as "tuned" would imply more than impedance matching methinks.

Pretty sure FR-wise AK100-111is is more emphasized towards low-end compared to the regular F111 :

 

(AK100-111is)

 

(F111, taken from this thread)

 

Still need to confirm the FR graph with my ears, but I have no access to AK100-111is. Will probably demo it next time I'm in Tokyo, they have demo unit in e-earphone and Fujiya Avic. Sales are exclusive to iRiver's Rakuten site though.

 

Also they are keeping the ready-made stock at 5 pairs on iRiver's Rakuten site every month as AnakChan said.


Edited by Deadlovestory - 1/28/13 at 7:56am
post #208 of 839
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Originally Posted by dunno34231 View Post  thanks for the reply! Aw man better detail retrieval is better on 4a? Sounds like I should have gotten the 4ai instead since it's so much cheaper.

 

No, the 4.Ai is not as good as the 4.A, because of the lack of a fully-custom shell. Honestly, it depends on people's preferences. If you like the F111, then it's fine. It's hard to say whether one is better than another.

 

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Originally Posted by Deadlovestory View Post

Pretty sure FR-wise AK100-111is is more emphasized towards low-end compared to the regular F111 :

 

(AK100-111is)

 

(F111, taken from this thread)

 

Still need to confirm the FR graph with my ears, but I have no access to AK100-111is. Will probably demo it next time I'm in Tokyo, they have demo unit in e-earphone and Fujiya Avic. Sales are exclusive to iRiver's Rakuten site though.

 

Also they are keeping the ready-made stock at 5 pairs on iRiver's Rakuten site every month as AnakChan said.

 

The graphs are both from FitEar's measuring system, so they're comparable to each other. The 22 ohm OI of the AK100 will pull the higher frequencies upward because of lessened damping, which is why the AK100-111is is tuned that way. Many people should feel that the ER4P would sound more like an ER4S (though not quite, but more like the fabled, but never released "ER4X" 50 ohm variant) when using it with the AK100.

post #209 of 839
Hey tomscy have u tried the 4ai? Wondering whether the isolation is better on 4ai. I'm using a reshell sm3 and the f111's isolation still doesn't cut it for me although it's not bad for a universal
post #210 of 839

The F111's isolation, if worn with a good seal and a deep fit, is pretty much as isolating as it gets with universals. You can probably get more isolation with Etymotic and their triple flanges, but they feel horrible to my ears, and that's why I far prefer the F111. The customs-like isolation is difficult to achieve; it behaves differently from universals.

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