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Battle of the American Titans! (Grado RS-1 vs Koss ESP/950) New and improved updated 2016 version!

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Alright, this isn't really a battle. And I don't know if either of these cans are really titans. But it sounds catchy, doesn't it? Today I'm going to talk about and compare the Grado RS-1i (and I will probably call it RS-1 from here-on) to the Koss ESP/950. These are both American designed and made headphones that've been around for decades (okay, so we have three years until the RS-1 has been around for multiple decades). They're probably two of the longest running production flagship models in headphonedom, although in recent years both seem to have fallen out of the spotlight. I don't really pretend to have an explanation for this, other than the release of newer flagship models and the generally unpredictable tastes of Head-Fiers.

So, without further padding, let's get to it!

First I want to talk about the packaging of these two, because it's different enough to warrant a bit of discussion. Grado headphones notoriously come with fairly spartan packaging - in the case of the RS-1 you get an all-white box with a sheet of paper adhered to the front of it that lets you know what's inside, and then a foam insert to hold the headphones and their included accessories (the Grado extension cable and Grado adapter). It's fairly plain, but I wouldn't call it inappropriate - they're very straightforwardly presented, and my set came undamaged and in pristine shape from the retailer. By contrast, the ESP/950s include the better part of a Radio Shack in the package! First you're presented with a carry bag, and then inside that you have the headphones, their amplifier, extension cable, adapters, interconnects, a battery pack, and the user's manual which explains how you use all of these accessories and bits. The 950s are the first headphones I've seen that also have "some assembly required" - the ear-pieces detach from the headband, and must be installed for use (this is by design, and they are meant to come apart like this to travel; I think the idea is to make them more durable, I don't know, and I haven't taken my set mobile).

When it comes to hooking these sets up, the RS-1 are very straightforward; just plug them into whatever headphone jack/device you have (headphone amp, mp3 player, whatever). The ESP/950 however are designed to plug into their E/90 amplifier, which itself plugs into a line source via RCA (cables *are* included), or TRS (cables *are* included). They mention using a portable CD player in the manual, but I have neither tried that nor an mp3 player. I know that with most older PCDPs I've seen, they feature both a headphone out and a line out, so it's entirely possible that the E/90 would be an ideal candidate for an LOD if you're going to use this set mobile (it does include a battery pack and all of this will fit in the carry-case; it uses 6 C-Cell batteries at a time and gives no indication of estimated lifetime). The RS-1, by contrast, are easily driven by most devices (like other Grados) and you can very likely take them out with your iPod and no other supporting hardware. That's about the extent of my insights on these as mobile cans, as I use both of them exclusively at home.

Onto the sound!

In my early impressions of the RS-1 against the ESP/950 I made a statement along the lines of "the ESP/950 is like the teacher's pet and the RS-1 the class clown, both will end up with good marks for opposite reasons." I would have to say that I still agree with that sentiment. The biggest contrast between these two is the ESP/950's "technicalness" and the RS-1's lack thereof. The 950s are more than happy to show off exactly how fast, smooth, detailed, accurate, etc that they are. The RS-1, by contrast, are content to just do their own thing and go with the flow. But that's boring, so let's talk about the sound some more. I like the format of talking about the mids/bass/treble individually and then providing overall impressions after that, so I'm going to do that here. In all cases these impressions are relative to one another, not necessarily absolute against the world.

In my opinion, the reason to listen to music. Strings, vocals, guitars, pianos, and so on. It's where it's at. Between the two cans, I would say that the ESP/950 are more consistent in their midrange presentation; the RS-1 are a bit more of a wildcard. If you've got a track with stellar voicing or a great string section, both cans will absolutely sing here. But on the other hand, if you have something relatively lackluster, the ESP/950 are probably your choice - they will still "calm down" or "withdraw" but it's not as dramatic as the RS-1. They still impress with their ability to hit any nail on the head, but the RS-1 just pack up and go home. Vocals are absolutely beautiful through either can, but the 950s probably get the nod in "accuracy" (depending on how you define that) - they don't tilt or favor any specific vocal presentation or style. They're as good with Sinatra as they are with Girls' Generation. The RS-1 seem more selective; some vocalists "jive" with them, and others do not. It really just depends on the recording in question - most all of the recordings that I consider to have spectacular vocals, come through just beautifully on the RS-1. With those that are less than perfect, it's bit more erratic.

One thing the RS-1 does more naturally than perhaps any other headphone I've yet heard (including the 950), is relaying "pub noise" (like the intro of Michael Jackson's Black & White) - it sounds incredibly realistic through the RS-1, scarily so. This carries into their vocal presentation with videogames and well-done recordings; if everything is spot-on, they're among the most correct sounding presentation of the human voice out there. The 950 are probably 99% of this, but will not "pack up and go home" if conditions aren't perfect. Neither of them is as brutally unforgiving of BAD vocal recordings as the MDR-F1 (by contrast), so that's also a plus.

I'll start this out by saying neither of these cans will shatter your head with bass, but what they will do is provide very clean and controlled low-end response. The RS-1 have a more satisfying impact here, but lack a bit of the absolute extension that the 950s provide. With techno/electro, the RS-1 are highly satisfying and provide enough low-end impact to really let the bass-line drive the music. The 950s are competent in this regard, but are not able to be "driven" by the bass if that makes any sense. The expression related to the mids "get out of the way of the music" seems more applicable to the 950's bass - they can reproduce bass probably better than any speaker/sub system I've heard, and better than most headphones, but they don't shove it down your throat (even if the material calls for it). The RS-1, by contrast, are able to produce enough of a low-end thud to make bassy music more engaging.

Both offer a very controlled low-end, the 950 retaining their signature "effortless" presentation, and the RS-1 offering more impact. The RS-1 are able to texture the bass presentation very nicely, while the 950s will only bring through what the material originally offers. So if you're listening to a very dry drum machine, it can sound somewhat ho-hum through the 950.

With videogames that feature lots of explosions, both are able to relay that, but neither rattles your head with it. I think both are very suitable here, and for bassier music, but if you're a "basshead" I'm skeptical that either of these will provide the excessive low-frequency output you crave. That having been said, I really do enjoy the RS-1 with Zombie Nation, VAC, and various electronic compilation albums, and I find the ESP/950 quite enjoyable with hip-hop and rap (much like the Sennheiser HD 580/600).

Here's where it gets a bit more interesting between the two. Similar to the bass discussion - the 950 offer extension, and the RS-1 offer impact. The RS-1, however, are not harsh or sibilant, even with nasty material; they don't offer the smoothness of the 950s though (one great thing about the 950s is that even very clashy tracks are not painful to listen to). The RS-1 are truly an example of bright done right - brass, woodwinds, and synth noises are a joy to listen to, not a punishment. This is not to say the ESP/950 are not ridiculously good up here - they extend the treble very far, and can hit very high notes without being screechy or painful (unless you turn them up too loud), and represent perhaps the best treble I've heard in a headphone.

Both have enough energy up here to make cymbals, guitars, bells, and so on very convincing. I know there's measurements that show the RS-1 being something like 10-15 dB (seems to depend on who was testing) up at 10k, and I don't doubt that, but they are not aggressive/forward/harsh like most headphones that are that boosted up. They also don't degrade into the cold or analytical sound that the other "half" do. The ESP/950 by contrast are not emphasized in this region, instead they just possess the prowess to extend very well and carry a note without burning it into the back of your eyes.

I'd like to start here by saying that most of the generalizations about Grado's having a closed-in or congested or otherwise tiny stage are probably based on the lesser models. I certainly feel that the SR-60 or SR-225 for example possess these traits. However the RS-1 do not. They are able to present a very convincing 3D image that encapsulates your entire noggin and can place performers, instruments, sound effects, or whatever else anywhere in that sphere. The "catch" (if you will) to this very coherent imaging, is that the sphere is relatively small. What separates them from the rest of the pack is that they provide great bass impact while providing this good stage - most headphones with a very coherent 3D soundstage lack any meaningful extension or impact in my experience.

The 950s are a bit of a contrast to this - they are equally coherent, but they can image much larger. Think about the difference between balcony seats and sititng at the sound board; the ESP/950s are up in the balcony. You can pick the notes out of the air at your leisure. However they are not as "weird" as the K701 (which make everything into a grand orchestral production) - they can present very close-up images and resolve very minor details (like singers catching their breath, or brass performers doing the same). The RS-1 don't seem as able to "move about the room" - they're not able to hit that very furthest distance (which it doesn't seem many recordings really require, at least modern music).

With videogames, I was somewhat hesitant to try the RS-1 out, because I never had a good experience with the SR-225. However they are an absolute delight - they can accurately place characters and effects on-screen and will gladly show you if someone is sneaking up behind you. They aren't "the best" at this (the MDR-F1 are my standing favorite for soundstaging), but they certainly hold their own among other hi-fi headphones. The 950s are superior in this regard though, the "effortless" presentation combined with their larger (at will) stage makes them better able to present a convincing image of a large game world (like you might expect in something like Halo). I believe that gamers who are also audiophiles would find either headphone perfectly acceptable, but I don't think competitive gamers who don't care about hi-fi music reproduction should probably look elsewhere (I think you can get equal or better performance for less money (for example the Ultrasone HFI-2400 is a very fun/good headphone for gaming, and it costs around $200).

More direct comparisons

Overall I think these two are both very good at presenting a convincing music listening experience. They aren't missing any major range of the frequency spectrum, they don't do anything terribly offensive or inappropriate at any point, and they handle a wide range of genres with ease. That having been said, I feel that there are some fundamental differences that characterize them as very different headphones. The RS-1 are much better at bringing out emotion or feeling within a piece of music, and letting the mids or the bass absolutely drive the presentation, while the 950s are better at bringing out the details and presenting the entire piece "as is" - letting the user digest it at leisure. The RS-1's bring you to the music, the ESP/950 bring the music to you. With the ESP/950s music becomes a more interpretive experience - you're presented with everything, in a relatively even-handed manner (they're perhaps slightly mids-tilted/warm), and you can focus on whatever portion you like. The RS-1 will, by contrast, "latch" on a component of a piece and let that drive the entire experience. Neither is "wrong" but it's the most fundamental difference I've picked up between the two cans - as un-technical as it is.

Other Stuff

A word on comfort - the 950s are more comfortable headphones. There, I said it. Having said that, I don't want to say the RS-1 are uncomfortable. They are on-ear, which is a turn-off for a lot of people, but they don't seem to suffer from any of the plagues of on-ear. They don't cut into your head, they don't feel overly heavy, and they don't heat your ears up (in fact, the foam pads absolutely live up to their reputation of not heating up and being a great choice in summer heat). I think both are very livable, but if you don't like noticing that you're wearing headphones, the ESP/950 are probably a better choice for you (they really feel weightless, despite weighing more than the RS-1).

Durability - I don't think either of these will survive a lot of abuse. The 950s are mostly plastic, and while plastic can be resilient, it also can snap or break if subjected to a lot of stress. I think if you accidentally sat down on or dropped (from a great distance, like off a balcony or something) them they would probably crack somewhere. They feel sturdy enough for normal at-home use though, and there's no creaking or snapping when they're adjusted. The RS-1 by contrast are more of a metal/wood affair (the cups are wood, the head-band, rods, and whatever you call the thing that attaches the cups to the rods, are metal). They are perhaps slightly more resilient as a result, but remember that wood can chip, pit, and crack relatively easily, and I don't think these would very much enjoy being sat on. Both of them are very much "for home" headphones (I'd also be somewhat worried about exposing the RS-1's cups to a lot of direct sunlight, as this can damage some wood finishes and will age leather (the headband is leather) - I do not know if this is the case with these, just a general observation).

The cables on both feel high quality, and I'm not worried about them breaking or coming apart through normal use - they also have nice feeling connectors for plugging into their respective equipment. The Grado 1/4" to 1/8" adapter is fairly robust as well - the 1/4" side grips the plug fairly aggressively, which is nice - I'm not worried about pulling the adapter out and can treat it as basically an extension of the factory cable. I haven't tried either extension cable, so I'm not sure how robust those are, but they both appear to be made from the same exact cabling and connectors as the headphones have hooked up to them. I really don't see a need for either though (I like that both of these cans have less than 6 ft of cable from the headphones to the plug - and they both include extensions if that isn't enough for you; I think the Koss extension is right around 6ft, and the Grado cable is closer to 15ft).

Replacement Parts - Both manufacturers seem to have a commitment to longevity of their products in the field, and offer a lot of user-replaceable parts at a decent price. Koss wins in terms of absolute pricing (earpads for the ESP/950 are $5 a pair!), but neither of them gouges up spares (none of this $150/set earpads or $200 headbands). Both make pads and replacement accessories (adapters, extensions, etc) available for purchase. With the Koss, any other damage/issue is solved by their Lifetime Warranty, while Grado seems to be willing to perform repairs on the headphones (maybe for a fee? I don't know - they've always been responsive to contact though, and I know they will re-cable your headphones among other services, so I don't think it would be unrealistic to contact them if your set is damaged, even out of the warranty period). I think in both cases, the spares pricing is fair, given the initial purchase price and overall packaging of the cans - I personally find it annoying when you buy a $300-$400 headphone and spare pads will run you $100 or more.

If you need spares, you can buy the Koss components by calling Koss' 1-800 number (I think the earpads are available online though), and Grado spares come from an authorized dealer.

On a related tangent - I have no idea about the Koss' carrying bag. I've seen some questions in the past about whether or not that bag is covered under the lifetime warranty, and people joking about sending just the bag in with an "explanation of the problem" (as per Koss' warranty terms) and seeing if they could get it repaired or replaced. I would believe that Koss would probably help in some way if that bag were damaged, and there isn't an explicit exclusion of that bag in the users manual (at least that I've found), but it's still somewhat curious to think about. The bag is, unfortunately, not sold separately (at least not that I've seen online, and I haven't thought to call and ask if I could buy one - it'd make a nice gear bag in general). I keep mine in the original box (since I don't take the gear out on the road), but my 10 or so minutes of interacting with it did inspire confidence in it's ability to protect it's cargo and stand-up to reasonable use. If anyone has trashed one of these bags and gotten Koss to replace it or repair it, I'd love to hear about it, or any other information about the whole thing would be interesting! (afaik this is the only production headphone to include a bag like this - it goes way beyond the "hard case" that you'll see with something like the Bose QC15 or Ultrasone PROlines, but isn't artsy/display material like the Ultrasone Editions).

Isolation/leakage - There is absolutely none on either can. However the RS-1's seem to leak a lot worse than the 950s (even at really low levels, the RS-1s leak out a lot of noise, while the 950s are pretty quiet). Neither of these are suitable in a noisy environment.

Looks - A bit more personal and perhaps irrelevant, but I think that the RS-1 are probably the more handsome of the two. The wood finish isn't what I'd call heirloom quality, but it's certainly very good (better than the ATs I've seen), and they have a bit of personality as a result of looking rather different from most other headphones. The 950s look neato for sure, but they're sort of plain-jane sitting next to the exotic RS-1.

Break-down of the above (aka if you forced me to give ratings):
Treble: ESP/950
Mids: Toss-up
Bass: RS-1
Overall Extension: ESP/950
Overall Impact: RS-1
Comfort: ESP/950
Soundstage depth/width: ESP/950
Soundstage coherence/accuracy: Toss-up
Value-for-money: RS-1 (the 950s recently jumped up to MSRP price-wise, so they cost about 50% more than the RS-1)
Overall: Toss-up

And that's where it's hard to declare a true winner. I really enjoy spending time with both cans, and it's hard to declare one absolutely better than the other. Depending on my current mood or the track I'm listening to (or both), I might find one more enjoyable than the other, but I don't feel that the 950 outright trounces the RS-1 (which is probably a first; if you've read my previous posts, you know I'm a big proponent of the ESP/950 as the best headphone ever made). I think both companies did a great job of designing some very competent and very enjoyable headphones, the RS-1s being potentially the best dynamic cans I've ever sampled.

If anyone has questions, or feels like I didn't cover anything, feel free to ask. I have both of these on-hand, and would be glad to answer.

Finally, a note on music/material used:

I don't like A/Bing with a specific track-list or similar, so I just use whatever can until I either get disgusted by it (and chuck it), or get a good feeling for it. In this case, both of these have just been used for my normal music listening and gaming sessions, so whatever I'm listening to, they get to play. My music tastes are pretty diverse, but I'll list off some artists that aren't uncommon to see in rotation:

Daft Punk
Zombie Nation
Michael Jackson
The Notorious B.I.G.
Lynyrd Skynyrd
St Germain
Black Milk
Immortal Technique
Mobb Deep


Games wise, I don't play extremely competitive games anymore, so I'll usually be rotating RPGs or RTSs, with a light smattering of FPS titles, like:

Fallout 3 and New Vegas
The Elder Scrolls series
Various "Sim" titles (like SimCity)
Total Annihilation
Total War titles
Half-Life titles
Portal titles


On equipment used, see my profile for more information.

Like I said, it's pretty much all over the place, so I don't try to focus on headphones or speakers that are one-trick ponies, because they don't last very long in this environment. If you have specific questions about how these two stack-up in terms of a given genre or type of music, I'd be happy to answer them, but my intention is more to provide a general over-view of the two.

** UPDATE **

A long time ago I wrote this (back in the summer of 2012 - its now almost 2017). I'm updating it now to add a bit more information on longevity and talk a bit more about the Grado RS-1 and Grado Labs. Don't worry, nothing bad happened. smily_headphones1.gif

Longevity - Both cans have survived just beautifully since I wrote this. The RS-1i are still using their original pads with no signs of deterioration or damage, and the leather still looks great. All I've done for maintenance on that end is wipe them off with a cloth periodically. I contacted Grado at some point and asked about long-term maintenance for the wooden enclosures and they said there's nothing required as long as they're not exposed to water or anything like that - they're supposed to be sealed at the factory. I have no way to do any critical testing of whether or not the wood (or its stain) is somehow deteriorating at a micro level, but I can tell you they still look and function as well as they did back in 2011 when I bought them.

On the ESP/950, I've replaced the earpads once. The original pads developed a "run" in the vinyl, and I feared this would be indicative of short wear life. I went to Koss' site and ordered pads - just to note (and it was not clear to me when I did this) they really do mean $5 a pair, not $5 per each. I ended up with four earpads, and I've never installed the second set - the replacements have been flawless for a few years (I honestly don't remember when I did this, but it was a while ago).

In both cases I'm very happy with how these headphones have aged - with my typical light use, and making sure to re-use their original packaging (in the case of the ESP/950 I just use their bag; I kept the Grado box for the RS-1 because its small-ish) when I've moved, they have had no problems. All of the included/attached cables with both have aged just fine too - not that I expected any different.

Let's talk Grado - About two years ago I decided I wanted to try the RA-1 amplifier for the RS-1. Apart from being a spiffy aesthetic match (its made out of the same wood), its said (in old reviews, forum posts, etc) to be a really good match in terms of synergy (whatever that means). I went looking to buy this amplifier, and found that it was largely out of stock everywhere, with some places saying they believed it was discontinued. I was looking at Grado's website to try and find their contact information to ask, and noticed that they were now selling their products directly through "4OurEars" (it links from their website) - this is a similar arrangement to Koss directly selling everything they make on their site. I welcomed this change. I ended up having to wait for the RA-1 because it was out of stock at the time, but eventually it did return, and I ordered one (I got the AC powered version because I hate batteries), not entirely knowing what to expect. I know the RA-1 has been beaten up pretty aggressively in recent years for a variety of reasons, and that it's not a very popular piece these days, but I figured their return policy looked generous, and it'd satisfy my own curiosity. The amplifier arrived, packaged almost identically to the RS-1 (they use the same outer carton, but the interior foam and whatnot is different). I hooked it up and plugged it in and was pleasantly surprised by how good it sounded with the RS-1. As far as "well, what did it do for you?" For lack of a better explanation, t made them sound slightly more Grado-like. Everything the RS-1 did so well to begin with - the mids-driven, punchy, intimate, musical presentation is just better. Is this a huge difference? Not really. It's well into the land of diminishing returns. Would I recommend the duo as a complete set, even given the ~$1100 pricetag it carries? Yes. For a few reasons:

- It sounds very good.
- It's simple.
- It is aesthetically pleasing. ("But that's a dumb reason" I hear you say - there's lots of good amplifiers out there and the RS-1 aren't incredibly picky, but if I were just buying the RS-1 and nothing else, why not get the matching set and be finished with it?)

Overall I think the RA-1/RS-1 combo brings the RS-1 up to eye level with the ESP/950 package, as its a complete amp/headphone system for around $1000 that sounds incredibly good, looks good doing it, and includes most of the accessories you'll likely ever need. The only thing Grado doesn't include with the RA-1 is cables to hook up to your source, but RCA cables aren't very expensive (but remember: Koss *does* include these cables, so that's still a win for the ESP/950). The point I'm trying to make is, if the RS-1 came in a box that included the RA-1, like the ESP/950 come in a box that includes the E/90, I wouldn't be complaining at $1000. That said, the RS-1 are not an incredibly hard-to-drive headphone, so if you have some other dynamic amp that you feel does a good job, it's not the end of the universe to not have (or hear) the RA-1.

Some random musings on the RA-1's build:

- For its size, its very hefty. It's hefty enough that it doesnt let the various cables plugged into it push it around, but it isn't so heavy that it can't be "pulled" if the cables are pulled (e.g. you accidentally get up and walk away with the headphones still on, the RA-1 is probably coming with you, whereas a heavier amp (like say, you plugged the cans into your receiver) the headphones are probably staying with the gear). This is a "win" over the E/90.

- The volume control knob doesn't get hot while its running. From what I can tell it uses its baseplate for heatsinking (the top/sides are all one block of wood, but the whole bottom is a metal plate), so its not unpleasant after a few hours running (unlike another, all Class A, amplifier that I could mention).

- Unlike the E/90, the RCA jacks on this are both well spaced and relatively "open" which allows plugging in basically any cable you could have on hand. The E/90's jacks are recessed and fairly close together, which significantly limits what kinds of cables you can plug in (and I don't just mean "oh boohoo fancy unobtanium cables don't work" - even the Monoprice cables have trouble fitting nicely). The RA-1, by contrast, is much more compatible in this respect.

- The power connector is nicely keyed, and feels like it connects firmly. The power supply box does not emit any obnoxious noises (e.g. it doesn't whine, it doesn't hum, its just there).

- The power LED is a dim, and recessed, red. It does not blind you in a dark room, and its recessed back enough that you can easily ignore it in normal use unless the unit is squarely at eye level with you.

- There appears to be minimal output protection. There are no relays that click when it comes on, and indeed you can hear a faint "DC thump" if you power it up with the headphones connected. Grado acknowledges this in the documentation for the RA-1, and adds that in their testing (with *their headphones*) this start-up situation is not dangerous (so they omitted the relay to improve reliability, apparently). They add that if you don't like it, just plug the headphones in with the amplifier already on. I have no idea if it being tested as safe with the RS-1 translates to "safe for all" so I just power it on and then connect. My assumption is that different headphones will have different tolerances, and some headphones may be less resilient to this. The power supply comes from Meanwell and is regulated (according to its label), so I'm assuming its "safe" from that side.

Does any of this change my original bottom line conclusions between the RS-1 and ESP/950? Not significantly. The RS-1 are still fundamentally the RS-1, the RA-1 just provides a bit of extra relief detail to their sound signature, and rounds them out into a more complete "package" like the ESP/950 offers. I would re-rank the RS-1/RA-1 combo as being slightly worse value-for-money than the ESP/950 because the whole package costs around $100 more (assuming the ESP/950 is selling at MSRP), and does not include RCA cables to hook up to your source. Sound-wise, everything I liked about the RS-1 is made better with the RA-1, but it doesn't fundamentally change their presentation or tonal balance - they just do a better job at being themselves, so the comparison to the ESP/950 (and yes I've re-listened to all of this, a lot) still applies. I think this may be the most interesting conclusion, at least for me: yes changing the amplifier made a slight (positive) difference, but it didn't fundamentally alter how the RS-1 and I get along, and therefore doesn't fundamentally alter how I hear the RS-1 in comparison to the ESP/950. Ultimately, years later, I find myself agreeing with what I previously wrote, even in light of that change.
Edited by obobskivich - 12/22/16 at 11:09pm
post #2 of 10

Nice comparison! I really want to hear an ESP-950 now. Electrostats have piqued my interest.

post #3 of 10

Great review, and a stellar example of how enjoyable it can be to have more than one pair of headphones around to enjoy. Very interesting read overall and makes me want to get out and give the RS-1s more time on my noggin! 

post #4 of 10

They certainly are quite different, measurement-wise:




From purrin's CSDs, it seems that ESP950s are quicker in transients, both have very clean treble though ESP's are a tad quicker and RS1's are a bit  less rolled-off; ESP's have a significantly cleaner and more neutral mid~upper midrange (explains ESP950's mids omnipotence with all music, and RS1's pickiness); while the RS1s have a significantly cleaner lower mids/upper bass (explains its bass dynamics). 

Edited by jerg - 10/28/12 at 9:00pm
post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 
Would also help if those measurements applied to the headphones compared, but alas...(the ESP/950 is on a different amp, and it's tough to say if there's a difference or not (I've read Gilmore and others speculate that the E/90 vs STAX amps could account for legitimate differences, because of differences in voltage swing, bias, and current delivery), and the Grados tested there are not remotely similar to what I'm talking about above (wrong vintage, wrong pads, etc)).

Personally I would say the ESP/950 have cleaner/tighter bass with better extension, and the RS-1 have better/more impact - both are very good though. Treble-wise, I wouldn't call either of them rolled off - they both extend very well up into the "dog" frequencies. But interesting to read your impressions of them (I'm assuming you've had both at some point based on your impressions); how would you compare them to the HE-400 or similar? (A lot of people keep pushing the HE-400 on me, but I keep seeing the 500g+ weight and staying away).
Edited by obobskivich - 10/28/12 at 9:08pm
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post

Would also help if those measurements applied to the headphones compared, but alas...(the ESP/950 is on a different amp, and it's tough to say if there's a difference or not (I've read Gilmore and others speculate that the E/90 vs STAX amps could account for legitimate differences, because of differences in voltage swing, bias, and current delivery), and the Grados tested there are not remotely similar to what I'm talking about above (wrong vintage, wrong pads, etc)).
Personally I would say the ESP/950 have cleaner/tighter bass with better extension, and the RS-1 have better/more impact - both are very good though. Treble-wise, I wouldn't call either of them rolled off - they both extend very well up into the "dog" frequencies. But interesting to read your impressions of them (I'm assuming you've had both at some point based on your impressions); how would you compare them to the HE-400 or similar? (A lot of people keep pushing the HE-400 on me, but I keep seeing the 500g+ weight and staying away).

Lol oh no, that was just a wild interpretation of the measurements, nothing related to subjective impressions experience hehe. Just thought it'd be interesting trying to correlate your detailed explanations of the sound characteristics with the CSDs, which unwittingly is pointless as they aren't matched at all.


HE400s are coloured in a way that distances itself a lot from the likes of neutral/forward cans like these you compared, so it'd be impossible for me to compare even if I heard these cans too, very much apples and oranges, maybe even apples and eggs. The weight is not an issue (it's only 440g which is over 10% lighter than HE500s/LCD2s) if you don't have a weak neck or problematic spinal issues.

Edited by jerg - 10/28/12 at 9:16pm
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post

HE400s are coloured in a way that distances itself a lot from the likes of neutral/forward cans like these you compared, so it'd be impossible for me to compare even if I heard these cans too, very much apples and oranges, maybe even apples and eggs. The weight is not an issue (it's only 440g which is over 10% lighter than HE500s/LCD2s) if you don't have a weak neck or problematic spinal issues.


Still curious, given the rave reviews they get, but I'm suspecting they probably wouldn't be my cup of tea based on what you've said.
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post

Still curious, given the rave reviews they get, but I'm suspecting they probably wouldn't be my cup of tea based on what you've said.

The reviews are raving because it provides the bulk of technicalities that higher cost planar magnetic cans possess, at half or a-third the cost - most notably the "planar" bass, separation, and detail/texture in general. Its voicing is also very unoffensive and works well (but not exceptional) with all audio applications. 

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Bump/update: I followed up the original (see the first post - the "update" section) and expanded a bit on thoughts about amplification, if anyone is interested in reading that. smily_headphones1.gif
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I am new to this site and new to headphones. I appreciate the effort that you put to this project, original and update. I have found the content interesting and very helpful. In a word - Thanks.

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