Audio GD SA-31 head amp/ preamp . A powerfull Head Amp with Diamond Difference design . - Page 15

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Originally Posted by steve2151 

 

Audio GD dacs usually have 2.5 V output on high gain and 1.25 V on low gain. I normally use the HE-6 at 35 on high gain with the SA-1 also on high gain. My AD1000PRM is normally around 20 on low gain with the SA-1 also set to low gain.

That's actually lower than I would have expected given the sensitivity of the HE-6.  I did figure the gain settings were designed more to fit with the slightly higher output of their DACs.  Their DACs that don't have a high/low switch is also 2.5v.  I would be curious to try my old SA-1 with my current setup now but I'm surprisingly satisfied with my current setup.  I also finally have an HD-800 on the way.  Should be here tomorrow.  I think with only one SA component upstream, maybe the soundstage won't be too overly distant but then again, Sabre based DACs are also known for their wide soundstage.  

I'm looking to upgrade my DAC as well (from the Essence ST), and both the Audio GD NFB.1.32 and the Concero look like very good choices with the SA-31. The NFB 1.32 has the high/low gain just like the SA-1, and the Concero has the 1.2 V output. They're also both very detailed, as far as I've understood, which should work well with the SA-31 and its warmth/musicality settings.

@Steve2151, JWahl: could you please give some inputs on the SA-1 DAC.

I see that you (JWahl) have the Concero too. I have my eyes on this little gem right now and would like to know:

  1) How it compares to the SA-1, technically (I suppose the SA-1 is a more mature DAC, technically)

  2) How is the tonal voicing compared to the others DAC you heard/own.

Any input on the SA-1 in general (technically, voicing) would be highly appreciated!

For the record:

I own the HE-4 and HE-5LE now.

I used to own the Ref 5.32 (too dark) and now the NFB-27 (really good but I prefer(ed) my SA-31 over its internal amp w/ the HE-500 & HE-4. I just received the HE-5LE today but didn't get a listen, the internal amp might be a better fit for them).

So far, the most enjoyable DAC was the Metrum Quad. It's a mix between the 2 with a voicing closer to the NFB-27 but more relaxed in the bass (less "tension" in the sound). I sold my Stello U3 recently and am planning to buy another DDC for it.

So far, I'm torn between a custom DI-V3 + DSP or the Concero, which both feature resampling. The concero would be (much) more convenient to use, but it's 2x as expensive as the DI + PSU. If the DAC is any good (by NFB-2 or Bifrost standart), it might be a viable solution.

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Originally Posted by Utopia 

I'm looking to upgrade my DAC as well (from the Essence ST), and both the Audio GD NFB.1.32 and the Concero look like very good choices with the SA-31. The NFB 1.32 has the high/low gain just like the SA-1, and the Concero has the 1.2 V output. They're also both very detailed, as far as I've understood, which should work well with the SA-31 and its warmth/musicality settings.

The NFB-1.32 is an obvious choice if you want to maintain Aesthetic integrity and have a nice stack.  If you want to save money I wouldn't rule out the NFB-2.32 as well.  Especially if your only using the SA-31.  I'm using the Concero now with good results.  I especially like the filter options and being able to use it as a USB/SPDIF converter while keeping the inline filters to the main DAC.  Or, if your willing to spend a bit more the new Matrix X-Sabre shows potential to be a promising unit at $1100 from what I've read.

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Originally Posted by Clemmaster 

@Steve2151, JWahl: could you please give some inputs on the SA-1 DAC.

I see that you (JWahl) have the Concero too. I have my eyes on this little gem right now and would like to know:

  1) How it compares to the SA-1, technically (I suppose the SA-1 is a more mature DAC, technically)

  2) How is the tonal voicing compared to the others DAC you heard/own.

 

Any input on the SA-1 in general (technically, voicing) would be highly appreciated!

 

For the record:

I own the HE-4 and HE-5LE now.

 

I used to own the Ref 5.32 (too dark) and now the NFB-27 (really good but I prefer(ed) my SA-31 over its internal amp w/ the HE-500 & HE-4. I just received the HE-5LE today but didn't get a listen, the internal amp might be a better fit for them).

 

So far, the most enjoyable DAC was the Metrum Quad. It's a mix between the 2 with a voicing closer to the NFB-27 but more relaxed in the bass (less "tension" in the sound). I sold my Stello U3 recently and am planning to buy another DDC for it.

So far, I'm torn between a custom DI-V3 + DSP or the Concero, which both feature resampling. The concero would be (much) more convenient to use, but it's 2x as expensive as the DI + PSU. If the DAC is any good (by NFB-2 or Bifrost standart), it might be a viable solution.

Unfortunately, I can't really accurately compare the SA-1 and Concero as when I owned the SA-1 I had completely different amps and headphones than I have now.  I will say the I currently feel no upgraditis for a DAC at the moment but if I do, it's nice that I can keep the Concero as a converter with the excellent Resonessence upsampling filters.  Without sounding cliche, I would say the Concero has a very neutral balance without being aggressive or fatiguing in anyway on it's own.  The Schiit Modi by comparison is rather aggressive and less realistic but it's also 1/6th of the price.

Being an Audio-GD fan, I'm generally a subscriber to the old school all-discrete/overbuilt power supply type of gear but, even though opposite design philosophy, the Concero doesn't disappoint.  And also, I haven't heard the Bifrost but every impression I've read of people who compared the Concero to it have said they thought the Concero was clearly superior.

Also, I just got my HD-800 today and listening to right now as I type.  Even though only listening for a bit, I think it's safe to say the SA-31 drives it well.  Granted, I don't have much of a frame of reference and maybe other amps put it into a whole new class but it certainly doesn't feel like it's under driven.  It's super dynamic, spacious, excellent timing, and IMO probably the best quality bass I've heard an any headphone I've owned.  I'm shocked that some people consider it bass light.

These are early impressions so take it with a grain of salt.  To be fair though, I used the JRiver parametric EQ to cut the 6kz area by 6db due to pretty heavy sibilance but it sounds much smoother now.  Maybe I'll try the Anaxilus Mod later on.

I've got some jumpers and playing around with the warmth settings.  I do like the "Warm 2" setting with the HD-800 as an easy listen but I'm still deciding if I want to keep them on as it does seem to trade a little precision and detail for smoothness, but it does also tame the sibilance enough to where I can use them without my slight sofware EQ.  

Also seems to have a little more bass quantity but maybe a bit too much bloom on certain tracks.  I just wish the warmth settings were tied to a front panel switch instead of jumpers.  Makes it harder to A/B them.

*edit* I went back to "Warm 1" jumper setting and I find it warm enough without sacrificing the precision/detail.  I briefly tried it yesterday and skipped it because I thought it sounded odd.  Maybe I didn't have one of the jumpers pressed down all the way, or something was messing with my hearing because it sounds fine now.  No jumpers almost sounds a little flat by comparison, but I don't want to exaggerate the difference, it's very subtle.

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Originally Posted by Clemmaster 

@Steve2151, JWahl: could you please give some inputs on the SA-1 DAC.

I see that you (JWahl) have the Concero too. I have my eyes on this little gem right now and would like to know:

  1) How it compares to the SA-1, technically (I suppose the SA-1 is a more mature DAC, technically)

  2) How is the tonal voicing compared to the others DAC you heard/own.

 

Any input on the SA-1 in general (technically, voicing) would be highly appreciated!

 

For the record:

I own the HE-4 and HE-5LE now.

 

I used to own the Ref 5.32 (too dark) and now the NFB-27 (really good but I prefer(ed) my SA-31 over its internal amp w/ the HE-500 & HE-4. I just received the HE-5LE today but didn't get a listen, the internal amp might be a better fit for them).

 

So far, the most enjoyable DAC was the Metrum Quad. It's a mix between the 2 with a voicing closer to the NFB-27 but more relaxed in the bass (less "tension" in the sound). I sold my Stello U3 recently and am planning to buy another DDC for it.

So far, I'm torn between a custom DI-V3 + DSP or the Concero, which both feature resampling. The concero would be (much) more convenient to use, but it's 2x as expensive as the DI + PSU. If the DAC is any good (by NFB-2 or Bifrost standart), it might be a viable solution.

The dac in the SA-1 is more spacious and darker than the dac in my NFB-10. It's on another level entirely when compared to the dac section of the NFB-12 or HUD-MX1, which I used in place of the SA-1 while packing for a move.

It's close enough to neutral that my SA-31 and Arete color the sound more than the dac itself.

I've had my SA-31 for a few weeks now and I'm very happy with it. It drives HE-500 effortlessly, and makes Denons just a little bit more balanced, with more control of both bass and treble, IMO. I'm still getting used to the volume buttons, but I think they are ok. It would be great to see that solution put to better use, for instance to have a memory for different volume settings for different headphones - something to add extra value over a regular volume knob.  Either way, overall I'm very happy with the amp.

I just wonder how far it scales? I haven't seen any reviews really where it's compared to other amps in the $500-700 range, like Schiit Lyr or even the V200 (more expensive). It seems that the SA-31 is tailored for headphones like the HE-6 or even K1000, but would it really do them justice? 

Running my SA-31 with Beyerdynamic T1 now  - I have it for a week to try out 

I've only heard the T1 with the A1 amp and I do prefer the SA-31 quite a lot. The A1 is extremely detailed, and it has a lovely volume pot (the whole case looks flimsy to me, like an old router, but it feels very solid). The SA-31 on the other hand is definitely warmer, more musical and engaging. Currently I'm using warm setting 2, which I haven't found useful before, but the T1s are bright headphones - certainly compared to the HE-500, IMHO. Still have more listening to do, but the SA-31 + T1 seem like a great combination. Listening to everything from Guns n' Roses' Appetite for Destruction to Sara Sant'Ambrogio's The Chopin Collection with it, and it's got both warmth, speed, and detail.

A question about this amp (sorry if this has been asked/answered already):

- Can you control the volume of the rca outputs using the internal volume controls?  Would like to output the rca to a set of studio monitors and control the volume via the headphone amp if possible.

Andrew.

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Originally Posted by bishyb 

A question about this amp (sorry if this has been asked/answered already):

 

- Can you control the volume of the rca outputs using the internal volume controls?  Would like to output the rca to a set of studio monitors and control the volume via the headphone amp if possible.

 

Andrew.

Yes, there is built in preamp function. You can also disable the volume control and use the amp in line out mode with a single jumper.