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post #811 of 981
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

I just got the pair of Jays foam tips that I bought recently off shotgunshane.

 

The man is right! They're definitely the best sounding tips I've heard used on the GR07. I'm always a bit hesitant to use foam tips because they tend to muffle the overall sound.

 

Not this one. I'm noticing just about as much clarity vs the MH1C tips, and soundstage doesn't seem to have suffered.

 

The best part about these tips is that they seem to smooth out the frequency response by taming any resonant peaks that may be present.

 

I think I might invest in my own pack (or two) now, just so I'm covered for the foreseeable future.

 

Thanks to putente and sgs

 

 

It's been a long time since I started to recommend the Jays Foams (contless times at the original GR07 thread), but finally some of you guys decided to try them too! First Shane, now you and others will sure follow... The first time I tried them, I was amazed by how much they improved the GR07's sound, specially by taming the harsh highs! Too bad that Jays stop producing them about a year ago, making them already a bit hard to find...

post #812 of 981
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Originally Posted by putente View Post

 

 

It's been a long time since I started to recommend the Jays Foams (contless times at the original GR07 thread), but finally some of you guys decided to try them too! First Shane, now you and others will sure follow... The first time I tried them, I was amazed by how much they improved the GR07's sound, specially by taming the harsh highs! Too bad that Jays stop producing them about a year ago, making them already a bit hard to find...

 

Well, kudos!

 

I think I'm also noticing much sharper imaging! I'm guessing this is because of the damping effect of the foam that stops sound cues from bleeding into each other.

 

I want to buy 3 packs, but my crappy student job won't allow me to budget for that rolleyes.gif

post #813 of 981

Acoustic damping (what those foamies are doing) is a non-ideal approach to taming unruly frequencies. You're suppressing frequencies that you don't want too much of, while also likely suppressing frequencies that you may still prefer to be at the same amount, or perhaps more. Then, what if you later realize you had suppressed too much of said frequencies, or that you would like a little more attenuation. And, oh yes... you're paying for the not-so-durable foam tips, as well. The sooner you learn to use EQ, the sooner you save yourself the effort of searching and expense for tips that only yield non-ideal results. Just a bitty thought. I know at the end of the day, people will still tend to forgo things that require skill and knowledge in favor of the quick and easy solution, even if it may not be the most fruitful one at that.

post #814 of 981
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Originally Posted by tigon_ridge View Post

Acoustic damping (what those foamies are doing) is a non-ideal approach to taming unruly frequencies. You're suppressing frequencies that you don't want too much of, while also likely suppressing frequencies that you may still prefer to be at the same amount, or perhaps more. Then, what if you later realize you had suppressed too much of said frequencies, or that you would like a little more attenuation. And, oh yes... you're paying for the not-so-durable foam tips, as well. The sooner you learn to use EQ, the sooner you save yourself the effort of searching and expense for tips that only yield non-ideal results. Just a bitty thought. I know at the end of the day, people will still tend to forgo things that require skill and knowledge in favor of the quick and easy solution, even if it may not be the most fruitful one at that.

 

Believe me, nothing is being suppressed. The bore of the tips is as wide as the nozzle, and the foam doesn't occlude anything.

post #815 of 981
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Originally Posted by tigon_ridge View Post

Acoustic damping (what those foamies are doing) is a non-ideal approach to taming unruly frequencies. You're suppressing frequencies that you don't want too much of, while also likely suppressing frequencies that you may still prefer to be at the same amount, or perhaps more. Then, what if you later realize you had suppressed too much of said frequencies, or that you would like a little more attenuation. And, oh yes... you're paying for the not-so-durable foam tips, as well. The sooner you learn to use EQ, the sooner you save yourself the effort of searching and expense for tips that only yield non-ideal results. Just a bitty thought. I know at the end of the day, people will still tend to forgo things that require skill and knowledge in favor of the quick and easy solution, even if it may not be the most fruitful one at that.

 

 

Theory is one thing and reality is another, specially in audio aplications. If you own a GR07 (one of the first versions would be even better), just try these tips, read your post again, and then tell us what you think...

post #816 of 981
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

Believe me, nothing is being suppressed. The bore of the tips is as wide as the nozzle, and the foam doesn't occlude anything.

 

 

I think that's the key factor about them! Large bored foam tips with shallow insertion, as the Jays Foams, will improve it's frequency response!  And I found the oposite happens with the Sure Olives (stock, not decored) I also tried, which have a really narrow bore and due to their size, will provide a much deeper insertion. Then, the GR07 just got worse, with almost unbearable harsh highs...

post #817 of 981
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

I just got the pair of Jays foam tips that I bought recently off shotgunshane.

 

The man is right! They're definitely the best sounding tips I've heard used on the GR07. I'm always a bit hesitant to use foam tips because they tend to muffle the overall sound.

 

Not this one. I'm noticing just about as much clarity vs the MH1C tips, and soundstage doesn't seem to have suffered.

 

The best part about these tips is that they seem to smooth out the frequency response by taming any resonant peaks that may be present.

 

I think I might invest in my own pack (or two) now, just so I'm covered for the foreseeable future.

 

Thanks to putente and sgs


Where can these be purchased? I'm in Vietnam and if I could get a hold of some good tips (I'm using the stock double-flanges) that really improve the sound, I'll order some even if the shipping is a bit exorbitant. I really don't want to use Complys - they're too expensive and they don't last very long.

post #818 of 981
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Originally Posted by putente View Post

 

 

Theory is one thing and reality is another, specially in audio aplications. If you own a GR07 (one of the first versions would be even better), just try these tips, read your post again, and then tell us what you think...

I'm open to anything, but right now my GR07 is lying in its casket. It wasn't meant to be :(

 

EDIT: By that, I mean the left driver croaked on me.


Edited by tigon_ridge - 12/4/12 at 10:14am
post #819 of 981
Thread Starter 

RE262 arrived.

 

 

No sub-bass and no treble.

 

Edit:  Will keep listening.


Edited by kiteki - 12/4/12 at 10:38pm
post #820 of 981
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

RE262 arrived.

 

 

No sub-bass and no treble, very weak extension for a $100+ IEM, tried two different amplifiers no diff.

 

I'm picturing telephone audio haha.

post #821 of 981
Thread Starter 

Yup it sounds like a telephone, no soundspace either as expected, narrow and forward (no back) like every other Hifiman.

post #822 of 981

Re262 comparable to a Shure 530 tone wise ? That's kind of how I picture them. All mids

post #823 of 981
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

RE262 arrived.

 

 

No sub-bass and no treble.

 

Edit:  Will keep listening.


That's what I said when I got them about 2 months ago. I was sad.

Had to sell them.

Although those mids were pretty much immaculate.

post #824 of 981

I wouldn't say it's all mids... the bass is definitely light, and the treble is relaxed, but I can hear high extension well, and while it doesn't go super deep, I believe it has more linear extension down into the bass than the ER4; The ER4 actually has greater felt bass impact, but in terms of overall presence the 262 is better IMO. With that being said, it's definitely mid-focused. It's not the same kind of sound as the SE530/535, though. The treble has better extension. Imagine the 262 as a mirror image of the GR07; it's as A-shaped as the GR07 is V-shaped, which is quite mild. The 262/272 I'm sure are designed with the larger dual flange tips that come attached to the earphones in mind; no other tip that I've tried sounds better.


Edited by tomscy2000 - 12/5/12 at 11:56am
post #825 of 981
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

I wouldn't say it's all mids... the bass is definitely light, and the treble is relaxed, but I can hear high extension well

I also agree with this.

And actually, when I boosted the lower frequencies I found the sound exquisite. But my standard is if I'm spending so much on an iem, I don't expect to be EQing it.

 

On a side note.

Are you sure these gr07's (mk ii) are incredible in their versatility. Kiteki says they're the perfect average. I think he's right in the sense that they are just shy of exciting simply because they don't put emphasis/focus on any particular part of the frequency range. If the music you're listening to has mids, mids it is. If it's basslines, bass it is. If it's treble, treble it is.

Although I must say I wasn't expecting it to make bass so pleasant. Makes me wonder why I would ever want a bass heavy iem.

I think this is what a neutral iem should sound like. An upgrade to this would simply improve soundstage, separation, detail, layering, and higher highs while maintaining the overall balance.

 

Hopefully, I still don't have residual new toy syndrome. It's been a week now.


Edited by atomikn00b - 12/5/12 at 12:38pm
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