Vsonic GR07 MK2 - stunning new cable! | bio-cel tech IEM | now with review - see 2nd post - Page 8

Guys, this discussion belongs in a PM or the sound science forum. 

 AstralStorm, I understand that you feel misrepresented, but could you please take this discussion somewhere else? H20, who's been a solid contributor, has already left because of the unrelated posts. We're currently trying to bring the thread back on topic and I hope you understand when I say your posts, though informative, aren't of interest to people who read this thread based on the title. Thanks.

Kiteki, thank you very much for the advice. I hope that you two can work work out your differences in a different location. I'll be back when your review is posted. Looking forward to it!

Feel bad for Astral, trying to enlighten those that just won't listen..I have yet to read something that was very wrong with what he has said here. 

Having said that...If people really want to dissect the differences between this and the new GR07, they should take them to someone with the technical knowledge like Rin. I can already tell you that the valid points made here will be shown and this will all lay to rest. 

I like almost everything in Astrals last post except the pot on the output part. I think you lose more than you gain though it depends on load. Heck, I've got a + - 9v 4556 amp sans voltage splitter and direct couple output here that I clearly prefer to the E11 I had. Took a little tweaking of the offset, gain etc. to balance the parameters. Plenty stiff and quiet. It's a bit of a mess inside from farting around with it but it was fun.

What are those factors though? You really haven't proven anything, from what I've read. Decay and transients can be measured, Rin states the bass driver of the TF10 is slower than the other ones based on his graphs. What can't be measured is soundstage width and biases accounting with price, expectation and selective knowledge. 

Where are the differences in view? What are my views, in what topic in hand? We tend to agree on everything, we discuss stuff in private. 

It's not sufficient for their own personal needs, that fine, I've made that point many times. The graphs are more useful than their subjective findings for the audience IME, as long as you know what you're looking at. 

FR response is the biggest factor on how we hear an IEM, it's just common sense. Skew the FR negatively and it's a poor product simple as that. Sure it gets tricky/subjective when you have different results, both of which are well performing, but it's the ignorance to dismiss it all because of a lack of "perfection" that is surely incorrect. Moller and Hammershoi I believe created a study on how important headphone equalization was and it clearly shows FR is the biggest factor. The study is somewhere in your thread in the SS forum.

If you don't want to continue it here, don't post about these points here, post in another thread and let me know. 

I'm very impressed with Lendmeurears. I ordered around 7:30PM CST July 8 (8:30AM SGT July 9) and just got a tracking number. They must have shipped almost immediately after I placed my order for the package to have left the country the same day. 

Last time it was at my door in under 2 weeks.  Which means there better be a package waiting for me when I get home today.  ^%$#@^$^   @  USPS & customs

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Originally Posted by Inks 

 

Having said that...If people really want to dissect the differences between this and the new GR07, they should take them to someone with the technical knowledge like Rin. I can already tell you that the valid points made here will be shown and this will all lay to rest. 

I think Rin would tell you that the cable material and construction in this case won't affect frequency response unless addition parts are introduced. If the MKII is different enough to damp it's peak, I agree that it can be measured but it's what to attribute that change too that a measurement wont tell us. I very much welcome measurements as long as they're accurate and not calculated. I also don't think we yet know how to measure everything that we can hear with steady state tests. A change in a test should correlate to a change in sound but lack of change in test doesn't mean no change in sound occurred. Perhaps we haven't measured the right thing or it only shows up under more complex conditions.