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post #2191 of 2424

 audioquest coming out with 3 new portable DACS, early 2nd quarter,

and supposedly from the videos below they're more versatile than the current models

and designed to work with a host of both ios and android devices, smartphones etc

 

2 new dragonflys (both a black and more powerful red version) and a bluetooth 'beetle' dac 

 

new black one same design to replace current 1.2v model...supposedly both better and cheaper: only $100

also a new turbo red to drive more expensve cans...better dac/amp....$200

 

 

 

 

 

 

all upgradeable with firmware, too, so their lifespan wont' expire so soon.

 

first link is more detailed: Vimeo is interesting: talks about product development, the companies sourced out and why for their expertise for what audioquest was seeking in the end goal...provided by John Darko during their official release during CES 2016

http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2016/01/ces-2016-audioquest-mobilise-dragonfly-black-red/#comment-130562

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUj4SAhm6RY

interesting CES interview with the president discussing in more detail the diffs between the products and their aims.

 

they also talk about how they're now exploring more products dealing with line conditioning, signal integrity etc, given the success of the jitterbug.


Edited by canali - 2/27/16 at 3:22pm
post #2192 of 2424
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Originally Posted by canali View Post
 

 audioquest coming out with 3 new portable DACS, early 2nd quarter,

and supposedly from the videos below they're more versatile than the current models

and designed to work with a host of both ios and android devices, smartphones etc

 

new black one same design to replace current 1.2v model...supposedly both better and cheaper: only $100

also a new turbo red to drive more expensve cans...better dac/amp....$200

and a bluetooth 'beetle' dac 

 

 

 

all upgradeable with firmware, too, so their lifespan wont' expire so soon.

 

first link is more detailed: Vimeo is interesting: talks about product development, the companies sourced out and why for their expertise for what audioquest was seeking in the end goal...provided by John Darko during their official release during CES 2016

http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2016/01/ces-2016-audioquest-mobilise-dragonfly-black-red/#comment-130562

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUj4SAhm6RY

interesting CES interview with the president discussing in more detail the diffs between the products and their aims.

 

they also talk about how they're now exploring more products dealing with line conditioning, signal integrity etc, given the success of the jitterbug.

 

and what may be an interesting alternative or comparison:

the upcoming bang and olufsen dac/amp module designed for the LG G5 phone

(details and video on how it fits onto the phone below in the articles below:

 

 http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/lg-g5-hi-fi-plus-modular-hi-res-dac/

 

http://www.fudzilla.com/news/40098-lg-g5-untold-story-of-ess-audio-greatness

 

 seems that it can also act as a standalone dac/amp for various devices like the dragonfly.

more details when it's actually released next few monthswith the phone.

 

 

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Edited by canali - 3/2/16 at 7:32am
post #2193 of 2424
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Originally Posted by ULUL View Post
 

It is too early as I am a strong believer of breaking even solid state audio equipment in, having heard the A/B difference. 

I am also a believer of blind testing as the placebo effect is incredibly strong - at least to my ears and I think I'm a pretty objective person.

 

 So one advantage with the Dragonfly is that one can easily do an objective blind test as the two Dragonfly looks identical.  What I did was to mark the bottom of the version 1.2. However, I only look at them from the top with the bottom facing the table.  I then scramble the two dacs until I do not know which is which.  I listened to them intently last night (just got the 1.2 yesterday).   So far, I actually picked the 1.0 as my preferred device to my surprise, though they are very close.  There's just more 'grip' and punch in the lower frequencies.  I was very surprised because I thought the 1.2 sounded better out of the box.  Again, that's the power of suggestion and expectations.  I then double checked in the Windows drivers to make sure I had the correct unit marked - I did. 

 

My test unit is the excellent ZMF Modified T50RPs.  My HD650 is in the office and I'll get it tomorrow and will report back after a few dozen hours of breaking in the version 1.2.  I do hope it will be noticeably better than the 1.0 after an objective test.  I will also have my sons listen and evaluate as they have very keen ears. 

 

In short, at this point, I am not hearing much difference if any. 

 

At this point, I can think of four possibilities: 

 

1. I have lead ears that are not good enough to tell the difference.  I hope not as I've tested some higher end items and hear a difference.  And lower end too. 

2. There is very little difference between the 1.0 and 1.2.   If so, the $99 is a great value. 

3. 1.2 not burned in yet and difference will show after a while. 

4. My 1.0 which is in the most recent batch is actually a 1.2 but not labelled as such and to tell a difference, one needs a 1.0 from much earlier production cycle. 

 

Cenacheros, I'd love to have you do the same blind test and let me know if you still hear a significant difference.  I'm not challenging you as I am really just interested in an objective blind test, having no personal ego invested in this nor do I have allegiance to any manufacturer or model. 

 

ULUL

Thanks so much for this.

post #2194 of 2424

So, I'm seeing all sorts of confusing information. Is the Dragonfly 1.2's output impedance not 0.65 ohm like the 1.0's? I've read that it might be closer to 12 ohm on the 1.2? I thought it was the other way around, and trying to find a definitive answer has me confused.

post #2195 of 2424
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Originally Posted by wondroushippo View Post
 

So, I'm seeing all sorts of confusing information. Is the Dragonfly 1.2's output impedance not 0.65 ohm like the 1.0's? I've read that it might be closer to 12 ohm on the 1.2? I thought it was the other way around, and trying to find a definitive answer has me confused.


The output impedance of the Dragonfly 1.0 was measured by John Atkinson at _Stereophile_ to be 0.65 Ohm:

"The output impedance was very low, at 0.65 ohm including 6' of interconnect, and appropriate for driving headphones."
Read more at http://www.stereophile.com/content/audioquest-dragonfly-usb-da-converter-measurements#ZjOcI2dghHUTTMSY.99
 
My guess is that the impedance of version 1.2 is the same. I also think that the 12 Ohm figure comes from a misunderstanding of statements in Audioquest's own promotional material, such as the brochure at http://www.audioquest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/DragonFly-4pg-Brochure-EN1.pdf (which mentions 12 Ohm as the minimum recommended impedance for headphones to be used with the Dragonfly) and the FAQ at http://www.audioquest.com/usb_digital_analog_converter/faqs: "DragonFly is versatile enough to drive virtually any headphone on the market today. DragonFly can drive any headphone from 10ohm impedance on up. DragonFly has enough output to drive even the lowest efficiency headphones."  In other words, someone took the minimum recommended impedance for headphones and read it as the output impedance of the Dragonfly.

Edited by MarcoGV - 3/9/16 at 2:04pm
post #2196 of 2424
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Originally Posted by MarcoGV View Post
 


The output impedance of the Dragonfly 1.0 was measured by John Atkinson at _Stereophile_ to be 0.65 Ohm:

"The output impedance was very low, at 0.65 ohm including 6' of interconnect, and appropriate for driving headphones."
Read more at http://www.stereophile.com/content/audioquest-dragonfly-usb-da-converter-measurements#ZjOcI2dghHUTTMSY.99
 
My guess is that the impedance of version 1.2 is the same. I also think that the 12 Ohm figure comes from a misunderstanding of statements in Audioquest's own promotional material, such as the brochure at http://www.audioquest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/DragonFly-4pg-Brochure-EN1.pdf (which mentions 12 Ohm as the minimum recommended impedance for headphones to be used with the Dragonfly) and the FAQ at http://www.audioquest.com/usb_digital_analog_converter/faqs: "DragonFly is versatile enough to drive virtually any headphone on the market today. DragonFly can drive any headphone from 10ohm impedance on up. DragonFly has enough output to drive even the lowest efficiency headphones."  In other words, someone took the minimum recommended impedance for headphones and read it as the output impedance of the Dragonfly.

See, that's what I thought.  Though I could've sworn I heard an earlier version of the Dragonfly had a high Z, and suddenly I'm all confused as to where I and the guy I was arguing with got our perceptions. Hmm.

post #2197 of 2424
Just got a Dragonfly. Using it with my Sony Xperia Z3 Compact at the moment. Sony Music app, Sony OTG cable. Works fine but the light on the Dragonfly is always Magenta. This would indicate 96 kHz. Some of the music is but most is 44. Any ideas why this might be?

(PS the phone is getting mighty warm and the battery is depleting quite rapidly. That's where sony's separate magnetic charger might come in handy!)
Edited by 396629 - 3/16/16 at 7:36am
post #2198 of 2424

Means somewhere along the line your music is being resampled (unless it's already 96 kHz).

post #2199 of 2424
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Originally Posted by yage View Post

Means somewhere along the line your music is being resampled (unless it's already 96 kHz).

Thanks. As I said some albums are 92, Some 88 most 44. Sounds like I'm getting the best quality anyway if it's upsamplimg the lower resolution files I suppose.
post #2200 of 2424
Another thing is the lack of l power of this when used with my phone. The max volume is only a little louder than the Xperia's weak built in amp. Have tried using it as a 'line out' to my amp (maximum volume?) The amp GS Voyager has to be turned very high compared to say an IPOD line out . I feel somethings wrong here. Is it a faulty unit?

Yet to use it with my computer.
post #2201 of 2424
Hmm... Definitely not my experience with my computer. Is the phone or the media player controlling the volume independently? If so, you might want to max out those volume controls before fiddling with the DragonFly's.
post #2202 of 2424
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Originally Posted by godbluff View Post

Another thing is the lack of l power of this when used with my phone. The max volume is only a little louder than the Xperia's weak built in amp. Have tried using it as a 'line out' to my amp (maximum volume?) The amp GS Voyager has to be turned very high compared to say an IPOD line out . I feel somethings wrong here. Is it a faulty unit?

Yet to use it with my computer.
To get hardware volume on Android you need to use USB audio player.It should get very loud with that, once in its settings you set it to control hardware volume not software (at the bottom).
post #2203 of 2424
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Originally Posted by rvcjew View Post

To get hardware volume on Android you need to use USB audio player.It should get very loud with that, once in its settings you set it to control hardware volume not software (at the bottom).

many thanks. I have purchase USB Audio player Pro and everything is good. Loads of headroom and the Dragonfly is lighting up correctly for the sample rate.

Sounds great so far. Sorry to have bothered you unnecessarily.
post #2204 of 2424
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Originally Posted by godbluff View Post


many thanks. I have purchase USB Audio player Pro and everything is good. Loads of headroom and the Dragonfly is lighting up correctly for the sample rate.

Sounds great so far. Sorry to have bothered you unnecessarily.

It's totally cool to question why your hardware seems less then it is. :) yeah since lollipop android has had only 16 bit and software volume support so that solves it. The day GonemadMusic player has it I will be switching possibly.

post #2205 of 2424

When are the dragonfly Red & Black going to be released for sale?

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