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post #1741 of 1949

Has anyone heard both Dragonfly 1.2 and Geek Out?

 

How does Dragonfly 1.2 (as a DAC) compare to ODAC? or ALO Audio's the Key?

post #1742 of 1949
I doubt anyone has yet to hear the key. Very interested tho as well
post #1743 of 1949
Key is Dac only
post #1744 of 1949

Just won this thing (version 1.2) on ebay for 81 bucks! Cant wait to try it. going to be going from DF>BSG CMOY> Mad Dog

post #1745 of 1949
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Originally Posted by tim3320070 View Post

Key is Dac only


That's why I wrote "as a DAC".

post #1746 of 1949

I own the Dragonfly v1 and confirm it works, plug n play, with the new Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1.  I used an OTG cable to hook up the DAC, and could play both streaming and local stored 44/96 FLACs as well as 44 M4As but a strange thing happened with a 96khz ALAC M4A.

 

Google Play Music streaming

 

96khz FLAC

 

This should be a 96khz ALAC, but the tablet or the Poweramp playback software downrez'd it to a slooowwww "30.5khz" file.  Weird.

 

Note the blue color "code" the Dragonfly is showing, meaning that it's being fed 44.1 from the tablet, regardless of source.

 

The SQ is good, better than the Tab's headphone out, clearer, more defined, more air, less congested.  The overall volume output is quite low, however.  I was able to max volume using my UE10s and could have used more punch, so clearly it ain't going to drive normal cans.

 

Again, the sound was good, but nothing compared to a PC running JRiver.  So much more power and clarity.

 

But all in all, this was an interesting experiment.  The Tab itself is pretty awesome.  Fast, super thin and light, and has just a bonkers screen @ 2,560 x 1,600 resolution.  Thankfully, the colors aren't as over-cooked as a few other Samsung phones / tablets that I've seen.  Lastly, the Tab has enough juice to power and read from a travel ext HD, using the OTG cable.  

post #1747 of 1949

^^^Wonder if there would be enough power to get good volume out of IEMs like my Etys?


Edited by Dougr33 - 2/22/14 at 5:34pm
post #1748 of 1949
I had similar issue with my galaxy note 3, was stuck on pink led regardless of source and low volume. I would say this is not quite plug and play and doesn't match sailing rate. Using USBAPP and turning volume control to 'hardwrare' you will notice much cleaner sound and ample volume. (If the tab usb output power is similar to the note). I would say Half volume on the note would cause some long term hearing issues on any standard iem.

Sampling rate will also be correct (colour change accordingly). You are then stuck using this app though. Wish it was plug and play system wide!
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Originally Posted by deadie View Post

I own the Dragonfly v1 and confirm it works, plug n play, with the new Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1.  I used an OTG cable to hook up the DAC, and could play both streaming and local stored 44/96 FLACs as well as 44 M4As but a strange thing happened with a 96khz ALAC M4A.

Google Play Music streaming



96khz FLAC



This should be a 96khz ALAC, but the tablet or the Poweramp playback software downrez'd it to a slooowwww "30.5khz" file.  Weird.



Note the blue color "code" the Dragonfly is showing, meaning that it's being fed 44.1 from the tablet, regardless of source.

The SQ is good, better than the Tab's headphone out, clearer, more defined, more air, less congested.  The overall volume output is quite low, however.  I was able to max volume using my UE10s and could have used more punch, so clearly it ain't going to drive normal cans.

Again, the sound was good, but nothing compared to a PC running JRiver.  So much more power and clarity.

But all in all, this was an interesting experiment.  The Tab itself is pretty awesome.  Fast, super thin and light, and has just a bonkers screen @ 2,560 x 1,600 resolution.  Thankfully, the colors aren't as over-cooked as a few other Samsung phones / tablets that I've seen.  Lastly, the Tab has enough juice to power and read from a travel ext HD, using the OTG cable.  


To the below. If output is similar to the note with USBAAPP I would say yes, I use phonak's pfe132 which are harder to drive iems.
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Originally Posted by Dougr33 View Post

^^^Wonder if there would be enough power to get good volume out of IEMs like my Etys?
post #1749 of 1949

I'm using a 6.5ft extension so this might be the cause of the issue (it is for 24bit/96kHz) but does anyone else have issues where the DragonFly just stops outputting and then where you have to re-plug it in? It also freezes the video / audio that's playing and it gets quite warm when this happens. Running it at 24bit/44.1kHz usually due to the extension issue w/ 96kHz.

post #1750 of 1949
Thought I'd give an update since people have mentioned the Galaxy Note 3. I just picked up my Note 3 from Amazon about a week ago. I luckily already had an OTG cable. So here are some quick impressions.

After reading through the last few posts about the hardware/software limiting the sound levels, (my guess it has something to do with their hearing loss warning/prevention) I can only say, this shouldn't effect most listeners. If you're running Note 3 > DF > headphone, then volume may be a problem on a hi impedance or tough to drive can (like my HE-4) . But in most situations, using the average impedance headphone, it's easy to get the sound loud and surprisingly musical.

To date, I have only tested Spotify and Pandora feeding my Grado SR80i, Hifiman HE-4, and my HD800s. Currently, only the SR80i sound good run in this configuration. That said, the Grados sound absolutely fantastic! I have never heard them sound so listenable since owning them. Mind you, I have tried them in literally hundreds of configurations.

I just got a new puppy, so I haven't had much time (patience, or courage) to run much of my better equipment, but I will say, I am blown away by the setup I am listening to right now, as I type this.

Galaxy Note 3 > Spotify > OTG Cable (generic) > Dragonfly (unconfigured and lite up pink) > EF5 > Hifiman HE-4

There is a good chance this chain may just be too euphonic to some, but not for me... Just heavenly!

I am happy to say, I am pretty sure I just found my perfect couch companion. I plan to test this with a USB 3.0 OTG and maybe a higher quality (and more flexible) cable. Though, there's a good chance, I will get distracted enjoying this synergy.
post #1751 of 1949
Hi Mrscotchguy,

That's great that you ate happy with the combo as am I!

Although the volume issue may not be an issue for most cans or listeners, I think those looking to use the note 3/df combo should note that without the USBAPP (unconfigured) the df sound signature doesn't come through. What I mean by this is that I notice that, independent of volume, using USBAPP the music is 'cleaner' and sounds more detailed. The mids I think are pulled forward and the sound is the same as what I would get using the df using a computer ie the df sound sig.

I am not sure if maybe using the app with hardware volume control uses the dragonfly amp and without uses the note 3 on board amp ( I'm just having a stab in the dark).

Anyway I am interested to see if you have tried USB APP and would love to hear if your impressions are similar to mine. You can get a free trial from the developer.

Unfortunately if using this you would not be able to use Spotify or any other music player.

If you do find a good OTG cable, let me know! I am using USB 3 one from eBay but is quite large and inflexible. Also worried about when using in a pocket if there is strain on the phone's socket as people have had issues with computer USB ports :s


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Originally Posted by mrscotchguy View Post

Thought I'd give an update since people have mentioned the Galaxy Note 3. I just picked up my Note 3 from Amazon about a week ago. I luckily already had an OTG cable. So here are some quick impressions.

After reading through the last few posts about the hardware/software limiting the sound levels, (my guess it has something to do with their hearing loss warning/prevention) I can only say, this shouldn't effect most listeners. If you're running Note 3 > DF > headphone, then volume may be a problem on a hi impedance or tough to drive can (like my HE-4) . But in most situations, using the average impedance headphone, it's easy to get the sound loud and surprisingly musical.

To date, I have only tested Spotify and Pandora feeding my Grado SR80i, Hifiman HE-4, and my HD800s. Currently, only the SR80i sound good run in this configuration. That said, the Grados sound absolutely fantastic! I have never heard them sound so listenable since owning them. Mind you, I have tried them in literally hundreds of configurations.

I just got a new puppy, so I haven't had much time (patience, or courage) to run much of my better equipment, but I will say, I am blown away by the setup I am listening to right now, as I type this.

Galaxy Note 3 > Spotify > OTG Cable (generic) > Dragonfly (unconfigured and lite up pink) > EF5 > Hifiman HE-4

There is a good chance this chain may just be too euphonic to some, but not for me... Just heavenly!

I am happy to say, I am pretty sure I just found my perfect couch companion. I plan to test this with a USB 3.0 OTG and maybe a higher quality (and more flexible) cable. Though, there's a good chance, I will get distracted enjoying this synergy.
post #1752 of 1949
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Originally Posted by brazy001 View Post

Hi Mrscotchguy,

That's great that you ate happy with the combo as am I!

Although the volume issue may not be an issue for most cans or listeners, I think those looking to use the note 3/df combo should note that without the USBAPP (unconfigured) the df sound signature doesn't come through. What I mean by this is that I notice that, independent of volume, using USBAPP the music is 'cleaner' and sounds more detailed. The mids I think are pulled forward and the sound is the same as what I would get using the df using a computer ie the df sound sig.

I am not sure if maybe using the app with hardware volume control uses the dragonfly amp and without uses the note 3 on board amp ( I'm just having a stab in the dark).

Anyway I am interested to see if you have tried USB APP and would love to hear if your impressions are similar to mine. You can get a free trial from the developer.

Unfortunately if using this you would not be able to use Spotify or any other music player.

If you do find a good OTG cable, let me know! I am using USB 3 one from eBay but is quite large and inflexible. Also worried about when using in a pocket if there is strain on the phone's socket as people have had issues with computer USB ports :s

About the volume from the DF as an amp, it hasn't been an issue for me as long I don't try to use it with my HE-4 directly. I tend to listen to a much lower volume than most of my local HeadFi friends, but I can see where this could be a bit too low for most. I think Samsung is worried about a law suit for hearing damage since there is a popup any time I listen from the headphone out at more than 50% volume!

As for the sound signature, I rather like the N3>DF combo. It comes off more airy, laid back, and less harsh than I've heard the DF fed from my Win7/Win8.1/OSX 10.5. I may putz with some settings down the road, but only after I get a 64gb sd card and load up some FLAC.

My biggest criticism has always been how loud the output of the DF has been. I can only ever listen to it as a DAC since I generally had to set the volumes between 0 to 11 at most on my 300ohm HD800!

I'll keep you updated as I get more time to listen.
post #1753 of 1949

Quick question. Can I use this DAC with a seperate amp? (But wouldn't that be double amping the signal? Because I heard that's bad)

post #1754 of 1949
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Originally Posted by brybry24 View Post
 

Quick question. Can I use this DAC with a seperate amp? (But wouldn't that be double amping the signal? Because I heard that's bad)

 

http://www.audioquest.com/usb_digital_analog_converter/faqs

 

"DragonFly is also capable of being employed as a traditional fixed-output source component (such as a CD, DVD or Blu-ray player), and can be connected to a standard input on a receiver or preamplifier. For this application, both the music player’s volume control and the main operating system volume control should be set to maximum. This “fixed output mode” allows your audio or AV system’s volume control to be in charge."

post #1755 of 1949

How does the Dragonfly v1.2 compare against the Microstreamer? :)

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