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Guess i just here the bass a bit different from you guys but i could here were your coming from. Its just how i here it and while the EX1000 has a great compromise between mid-bass and sub-bass, i think that the sub-bass here is over shadowed, just my opinion.

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Guess i just here the bass a bit different from you guys but i could here were your coming from. Its just how i here it and while the EX1000 has a great compromise between mid-bass and sub-bass, i think that the sub-bass here is over shadowed, just my opinion.

 

See, I find that really strange. Though the GR07 is quite punchy, I'd say it almost lacks mid-bass and it's bass response is nearly all concentrated in the sub regions. It easily goes below 20 Hz. Try listening with the stock tips if you have them, or maybe some other wide bore tips.


Edited by eke2k6 - 7/5/12 at 11:15am
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See, I find that really strange. Though the GR07 is quite punchy, I'd say it almost lacks mid-bass and it's bass response is nearly all concentrated in the sub regions. It easily goes below 20 Hz. Try listening with the stock tips if you have them, or maybe some other wide bore tips.

See punchy to me is something like the DBA-02 or R-50. Extremely fast and tight but hits with a small body. Thats why i described it as slamming as it is a big impact from a large body which is a lot looser and slower than R-50 for example and even the EX1000. I describe sub-bass as what i feel through air being moved and rumble in my head more than going on a site that plays low tones such as 10 or 20 hz. Most phones i have found, even BAs, can get there but it is not apparent when listening with the other frequencies playings and tarts a bit how i find these, its there but the mid-bass shadows it.

 

Oh and i have been using sony hybrids a bit more lately.

post #19 of 50
Good review mate!

Definatey agree about the soundstage, great width but little depth, but I also don't hear the bass the same.....I just hear it flat with great sub bass extension but as you said I've not heard the EX1000 and most of my other IEM's have had a fair mid bass hump. I would say they are flatter than the GR06 and extend deeper, the GR06 has more mid bass. To my ears I've yet to hear anything that's as flat and extends as far. If you wanna hear real gobs of mid bass I'll lend you the Eterna's biggrin.gif

Do you get the same feeling with the Phonak tips?
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See, I find that really strange. Though the GR07 is quite punchy, I'd say it almost lacks mid-bass and it's bass response is nearly all concentrated in the sub regions. It easily goes below 20 Hz. Try listening with the stock tips if you have them, or maybe some other wide bore tips.

I just found the bass VG in general. I doubt you could improve one aspect of it without detracting from another...as in close enough to right for it's market and price. Might be a tip thing.


Edited by goodvibes - 7/5/12 at 3:38pm
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Great review and nice comparo with the R-50! Agree with the soundstage and depth comments. 50/50 on the layering and separation impressions. Separation being well done and layering was just so-so, IME with them.

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Good review mate!
Definatey agree about the soundstage, great width but little depth, but I also don't hear the bass the same.....I just hear it flat with great sub bass extension but as you said I've not heard the EX1000 and most of my other IEM's have had a fair mid bass hump. I would say they are flatter than the GR06 and extend deeper, the GR06 has more mid bass. To my ears I've yet to hear anything that's as flat and extends as far. If you wanna hear real gobs of mid bass I'll lend you the Eterna's biggrin.gif
Do you get the same feeling with the Phonak tips?

Thank you.

Perhaps my whole concept of sub-bass has changed since i heard the Hippo VB, it has really messed my head around from the amount of air it moved. I never said it has a hump or peak or extra emphasis just it was a bit loose and slow (still good and not on the looseness of many other bass phones or even the GR06), thats all. I also never said it competed quantity wise with a lot of other earphones. The GR06 did have more mid-bass slightly but was also looser and not as punchy but very satisfying and warm and yes, sub-bass rumble was better as well on the GR06 slightly. Flat though it is!

 

Hmmm i do enjoy the Phonak tips the best and they do tighten the bass up and improve extension but was annoyed with having to keep fishing them out my ears so swapped to Hybrids.

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I just found the bass VG in general. I doubt you could improve one aspect of it without detracting from another...as in close enough to right for it's market and price. Might be a tip thing.

I also agreed that it was good. Maybe a tip thing indeed.

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Great review and nice comparo with the R-50! Agree with the soundstage and depth comments. 50/50 on the layering and separation impressions. Separation being well done and layering was just so-so, IME with them.

Thanks a lot. Okay so a lot of people do agree with me on the depth just not the bass which is good to know. I also if you look said separation was good and layering poor.

post #23 of 50

It seems this review has caused quite a stir. smile.gif

I find the GRO7 very light in mid bass, also said on the previous page sub-bass can be slightly compared to Atrio M5 depth. It goes down really deep to about 20Hz, there's not many other IEM's I have owned that go so low without rolling off first, that's part of the reason I feel in love with GRO7 for their rumble, I was surprised they didn't make the basshead club here compared to other contenders I've tried. I can't say I agree with the mid range conclusion either. I feel they excel in vocals with rich clarity. There's also decent layering and separation on my pair, no doubt about it. The soundstage however does lack some depth and I too have that out of head width going on. I use the Hybrid tips - the tips it was designed to be used with. 

Anyway, nice write up Swimsonny, can't say I agree totally though on this one. If my TF10 and EPH-100 are gathering dust over GRO7, they must be doing something right. wink.gif

 


Edited by H20Fidelity - 7/6/12 at 1:13am
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It seems this review has caused quite a stir. smile.gif

I find the GRO7 very light in mid bass, also said on the previous page sub-bass can be slightly compared to Atrio M5 depth. It goes down really deep to about 20Hz, there's not many other IEM's I have owned that go so low without rolling off first, that's part of the reason I feel in love with them for their rumble and was surprised they didn't make the basshead club here compared to other contenders I've tried. I can't say I agree with the mid range conclusion either. There's decent layering and separation on my pair, no doubt about it. The soundstage however does lack some depth and I to have that out of head width going on. I use the Hybrid tips - the tips it was designed to be used with. 

Anyway, nice write up Swimsonny, can't say I agree totally though on this one. If my TF10 and EPH-100 are gathering dust over GRO7, they must be doing something right. wink.gif

 

 

I never said it had a lot of mid-bass quantity, only that it was not the fastest or tightest and it has an amazing full impact, these are all very good things.I have said to so many of you that i agree that the separation is good but the layering is poor or not really there as there is no depth. I am also listening to them right now with the Hybrids and am sticking to my conclusion.
 
Thanks anyway and people will always have to not agree with some earphones. Anyway i never said that they sound bad and think they are great for the price, look were i have put them on my comparison chart for example!
 
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Edited by Swimsonny - 7/6/12 at 4:33am
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I'm wondering how does the GR07 compare to the BA200? What is the difference like between the overall sound quality and sub-bass/mid-bass quantity between them two?

I'm in the process of purchasing a new IEM, notably between the GR07/BA200/TF10/HF5/PFE, in which I noticed you have reviewed them all. Which one of those would you recommend the most, given if they are sold at the same price? Or, which one would you think that would suit me the most, given if I like treble detail while having a bit of sub-bass, but not too much mid-bass in quantity. (like for example, I listened to some IEMs for a while and thought the IE8's bass quantity was too much, while thinking the GR07's bass quantity was adequate)

Thanks!

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No problem Swimsonny, your work doesn't go unappreciated, I enjoy reading your reviews. We all hear things differently if we didn't oh what a boring place Head-fi would be. I agree there's other IEM's that do things better, probably some of which I own, but for me GRO7 was very hard to find a weakness. It was very hard to fault for my preferred signature.

Keep up the good work mate.  smile.gif Don't let those VB deafen you anymore than they already have. lol. wink_face.gif

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I'm wondering how does the GR07 compare to the BA200? What is the difference like between the overall sound quality and sub-bass/mid-bass quantity between them two?

I'm in the process of purchasing a new IEM, notably between the GR07/BA200/TF10/HF5/PFE, in which I noticed you have reviewed them all. Which one of those would you recommend the most, given if they are sold at the same price? Or, which one would you think that would suit me the most, given if I like treble detail while having a bit of sub-bass, but not too much mid-bass in quantity. (like for example, I listened to some IEMs for a while and thought the IE8's bass quantity was too much, while thinking the GR07's bass quantity was adequate)

Thanks!

 

I personally think that the overall sound quality of the BA200s is better but of course being a BA earphone the bass is not going to compete with that of the TDK BA200.The mid-bass quantity of the GR07 is only slightly more but the quality is a lot better as it hit sternly and properly while i think the mid-bass on the BA200 was a bit to soft and not whole hearted when it hit. As you can see people are not agreeing with my version of how i hear the bass on these but i am going to stick with it. The sub-bass on the GR07 still crushes that of the BA200 and rumble is more present (there are better) and roll off is not as quick. The main reasons that the BA200 is so good is the presentation of instruments is the best i have heard and the sound is so three dimensional which i can not say about the GR07. The mids are also great and the vocals have this crazy effect that makes them sound airy and apart from everything else. The trebles of both are very different and while both have great extension (BA200 rolls off quicker), The BA200 is fairly laid back and very smooth and detailed, the GR07 is a lot more forward with sibilance peaks and harsh patches that i did not find to bad but other hate. One thing though is that the GR07 had perhaps the best cable ever made and the BA200 has a stupid flat cable with an even more stupid extension cable as it so short.
 
Well the TF10 have the best detail of the bunch in treble and then followed by the PFE/HF5 (maybe slightly ahead of the two). However the only one of all of them that is going to offer sub-bass is the GR07 as the rest are BA and are all non-existent in the area and if you want to go for any of the other you will have to sacrifice all sub-bass. I did not think it had the most but others are more than happy with it and i can still say it is a lot more than with any of them other mention IEMs.
 
Also agree on the mid-bass on the IE8s being to much and veiling the rest but it does still have better sub-bass than the IE8s i am sure you can agree, overall though the GR07s are much better than the IE8s IMO, check the graph above for an overview of them all.
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No problem Swimsonny, your work doesn't go unappreciated, I enjoy reading your reviews. We all hear things differently if we didn't oh what a boring place Head-fi would be. I agree there's other IEM's that do things better, probably some of which I own, but for me GRO7 was very hard to find a weakness. It was very hard to fault for my preferred signature.

Keep up the good work mate.  smile.gif Don't let those VB deafen you anymore than they already have. lol. wink_face.gif

 

Thanks a lot for saying that mate. As you can agree some of my reviews follow the trend of what people here extremely closely and some others like this and perhaps my IE8 review example stray a bit. All of them are completely honest and how i hear them and i am not going to lie to annoy people, the bass i how i hear it with these.
 
I also agree these do not have any glaring weaknesses other than the depth which stops them being 3-D which was a tad annoying. But of course them being neutral in signature, like the EX1000s which as i have said have a very similar signature, have NO glaring faults which is great!
 
I will do index and oh i will warn everyone my next review is rather negative but i think no one will mind after seeing a picture of the headphones ahaha :L
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comparison chart

 

Swim,

 

would you be able to make the chart bigger? the content is unseen-able..

 

PS. How could I forget to say thank you for the good review... :)


Edited by dw1narso - 7/6/12 at 4:25am
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Swim,

 

would you be able to make the chart bigger? the content is unseen-able..

 

PS. How could I forget to say thank you for the good review... :)

Errm i can but it makes it really pixelated. I think if you click on it, it will enlarge!

 

And thanks a lot!

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