BeyerDynamic DT770 vs. BeyerDynamic DT880 vs. Denon D2000 - Can't Decide Please Help!!
Jan 28, 2013 at 9:49 AM Post #16 of 28
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Sorry to resurrect this semi-old thread but I have similar musical tastes as OP and I'm wondering about the dt770s vs the d2000s. I just bought ath-m50s but I'm afraid they are not much better or different than my share srh750djs. If I could find the d2000s at a decent price I would probably just get them based on everything I've read but I haven't been able to. Are the dt770s a step up from the m50s? Should I try harder to find the d2000s?

A few weeks ago I purchased a pair of ATH-M50's as my first good set of cans. I spent quite a while on the net researching them, and there was SO much hype about how great they were for everything and how well they performed as an all-around flat response headphone. I received them in the mail from amazon and listened to them for a few days before selling. They headphones WERE very good, but just not what I was looking for. I listen to a lot of Trance, Techno, Chillstep, Indie chill, and I felt as though the M50's didn't have the soundstage I was looking for, although they did have a very even, flat frequency response which is nice, and they were only 32Ohm so they could be easily driven with a portable device (my iPhone). The Lows were decently deep and punchy, the mids were soft and a bit 'recessed' as some would say, but I liked it, and the highs weren't too sharp. Overall, a great set of headphones. Since you are listening to more rap / hiphop, I would recommend these to you, as they can crank very loud, the bass is fairly powerful (but not overwhelming or tiring) and they isolate VERY well. I could crank these up to maximum volume and my roomate couldn't hear my music at all.
 
I used the moneyfrom the M50's to fund myself a pair of the Beyerdynamic DT770's (250Ohm version). I absolutely love these cans, and fell in love with them as soon as I listened to them at Long & McQuade. The soundstage for a closed back set of cans is superb, and always makes me feel like i'm immersed in a world of fairies and leprechauns when i listen to my ambient trance chillstep. It's great. The bass on this set of cans feels a bit 'farther' back in your head then the M50's (more of an in-the-head effect rather than a ear rattling) which I appreciate more than the M50's. I find it relaxing and can listen to it for extended periods of time without any noticeable discomfort. The more I listen to the 770's, the more I feel as though they have a warmer, more comfortable sound than the M50's. I'm not sure if you would appreciate this for Rap, but i'm telling you now, I do enjoy listening to artists such as snowgoons, macklemore and Lowkey more on my DT770's...
 
All personal preference I guess, but If I were you, I'd consider the 770's. Don't pay the unnecessary money for the D2000's, it's not worth it.
 
 

Interesting, haven't considered those. Thanks, I will look into them.
 
2k = 2000. He is referring to the D2000's haha 
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Jan 28, 2013 at 9:54 AM Post #17 of 28
A few weeks ago I purchased a pair of ATH-M50's as my first good set of cans. I spent quite a while on the net researching them, and there was SO much hype about how great they were for everything and how well they performed as an all-around flat response headphone. I received them in the mail from amazon and listened to them for a few days before selling. They headphones WERE very good, but just not what I was looking for. I listen to a lot of Trance, Techno, Chillstep, Indie chill, and I felt as though the M50's didn't have the soundstage I was looking for, although they did have a very even, flat frequency response which is nice, and they were only 32Ohm so they could be easily driven with a portable device (my iPhone). The Lows were decently deep and punchy, the mids were soft and a bit 'recessed' as some would say, but I liked it, and the highs weren't too sharp. Overall, a great set of headphones. Since you are listening to more rap / hiphop, I would recommend these to you, as they can crank very loud, the bass is fairly powerful (but not overwhelming or tiring) and they isolate VERY well. I could crank these up to maximum volume and my roomate couldn't hear my music at all.

I used the moneyfrom the M50's to fund myself a pair of the Beyerdynamic DT770's (250Ohm version). I absolutely love these cans, and fell in love with them as soon as I listened to them at Long & McQuade. The soundstage for a closed back set of cans is superb, and always makes me feel like i'm immersed in a world of fairies and leprechauns when i listen to my ambient trance chillstep. It's great. The bass on this set of cans feels a bit 'farther' back in your head then the M50's (more of an in-the-head effect rather than a ear rattling) which I appreciate more than the M50's. I find it relaxing and can listen to it for extended periods of time without any noticeable discomfort. The more I listen to the 770's, the more I feel as though they have a warmer, more comfortable sound than the M50's. I'm not sure if you would appreciate this for Rap, but i'm telling you now, I do enjoy listening to artists such as snowgoons, macklemore and Lowkey more on my DT770's...

All personal preference I guess, but If I were you, I'd consider the 770's. Don't pay the unnecessary money for the D2000's, it's not worth it.


Hey, thanks for your reply. I actually listen to a lot of trance, dubstep, idm, etc so I'm afraid that I should have bought the 770s. Hip hop is secondary. Do you have 80 ohm or something else? I see there is a special edition 32 ohm for a bit more
 
Jan 28, 2013 at 10:14 AM Post #18 of 28
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Hey, thanks for your reply. I actually listen to a lot of trance, dubstep, idm, etc so I'm afraid that I should have bought the 770s. Hip hop is secondary.

 
If that's the case, then i would definitely consider the DT770's over the M50's. They just sound so much better with these genre's IMHO.
 
 
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Do you have 80 ohm or something else? I see there is a special edition 32 ohm for a bit more

 
I have the 250Ohm version without an amp. They sound absolutely fantastic, and heard they sound even better with an amp/dac. I've tried both the 80Ohm version and 32Ohm version in the store. I found the 80Ohm didn't sound as clean and smooth as the 250Ohm version, and also had really harsh, sharp highs. Symbols and female voices in the high end scale really hurt my ears and It was uncomfortable. The 32Ohm version is very easy to drive and will crank to a louder volume than that of the 250Ohm or 80Ohm. BUT, if you are looking to purchase an AMP/DAC in the future than I would go with the 250Ohm version, as they have the potential to sound a lot more accurate.
 
All in all, just go for the 250ohm version, I doubt you will have any regrets.
 
Jan 28, 2013 at 11:55 AM Post #19 of 28
If that's the case, then i would definitely consider the DT770's over the M50's. They just sound so much better with these genre's IMHO.



I have the 250Ohm version without an amp. They sound absolutely fantastic, and heard they sound even better with an amp/dac. I've tried both the 80Ohm version and 32Ohm version in the store. I found the 80Ohm didn't sound as clean and smooth as the 250Ohm version, and also had really harsh, sharp highs. Symbols and female voices in the high end scale really hurt my ears and It was uncomfortable. The 32Ohm version is very easy to drive and will crank to a louder volume than that of the 250Ohm or 80Ohm. BUT, if you are looking to purchase an AMP/DAC in the future than I would go with the 250Ohm version, as they have the potential to sound a lot more accurate.

All in all, just go for the 250ohm version, I doubt you will have any regrets.


Thanks again, much appreciated. Do you happen to know if the headroom total bit head will do the 250 ohms justice? I don't want to buy a new DAC or amp at the moment
 
Jan 28, 2014 at 3:02 PM Post #20 of 28
Beyer vs Denon:
Clean or Rich
Clear or Warm
 
The Beyers have a bigger soundstage. I sold the D2000 because I prefer the neutral mids of my DT770 to the warmer, thicker Denon mids. Also the Denon was more sibilant, despite having less overall treble presence. It does have a warmer sound, though, and is closer in tone to more consumer oriented headphones, which makes it a safe choice as a first "serious" headphone.
 
770 vs 880
Closed or Open
Isolating or Leaking
Big bass or Neutral bass
Big soundstage with OK separation -or- Big soundstage with excellent separation
 
If you can't pick one, the DT770 is kind of a middle ground between the 880 and D2000, so it might be the safest choice, having emphasized bass like the Denons but a more neutral tone like the 880s.
 
I wouldn't recommend the 880s based on what you've listed.
 
Sep 9, 2014 at 1:12 AM Post #21 of 28
What the hell dt 770 pro aren't good to toss around...lol, i have abuuuuusssed them for 5 years, thronw em everywhere, dropped in my 35 pound ruck sack and then thrown the damn thing around forever with books and camping gear...Not even close to be broken... Shure 940...lasted 3 months, broke down, IN MY FREAKIN living room lol...
 
Sep 9, 2014 at 1:32 AM Post #22 of 28
I can't comment on the D2ks, but I own the DT 770 Pro 80s and DT 880s and love both of them for different reasons.

The 880s have a reference-oriented sound signature; neutral with just a hint of extra treble, detailed, crisp, and airy. They definitely aren't lacking in bass, but they're far from basshead headphones. Bass follows the neutral sound signature; it's neither recessed nor boosted, and what's there is wonderfully textured, punchy, and tight. Mids and treble are both quite detailed, and the treble can get slightly sibilant at times, but only when there is sibilance in the actual recording. They are not forgiving of poorly mastered material.

The 770 is a bit more fun; it has a little bit of a V-shaped signature, but not so much of a V-shape as to be overpowering. Bass impact is excellent, if a tiny bit loose at times compared to the 880s, and the bass isn't as detailed as the 880s. Mids are slightly, but not overly recessed, and what's there has good detail. Treble is similar to the 880s, but a bit less airy, since these are closed headphones.

Both headphones have a relatively large soundstage, although the 880 has much better imaging.

From the sound of it, the 770s would probably be more what you're looking for, since that extra bass gives them a bit more of a visceral feel than than 880s, and they are a bit more forgiving of low dynamic range material like pop music.
 
Sep 10, 2014 at 1:11 AM Post #23 of 28
I'm not sure if this question is off topic, but I have a pair of DT770's and I can't find the original receipt any more. There doesn't appear to be any special markings on them except for Beyerdynamic, model name (they don't for instance say "Pro") and L&R. How do I tell if they are 32ohm, 250, 300, 600 etc?
 
Sep 12, 2014 at 2:49 AM Post #24 of 28
I'm not sure if this question is off topic, but I have a pair of DT770's and I can't find the original receipt any more. There doesn't appear to be any special markings on them except for Beyerdynamic, model name (they don't for instance say "Pro") and L&R. How do I tell if they are 32ohm, 250, 300, 600 etc?


For the Premium model (I assume this is what you have), the impedance should be on the headphone jack. It will be either 32, 250, or 600 ohm.
 
Sep 12, 2014 at 3:31 PM Post #25 of 28
 
For the Premium model (I assume this is what you have), the impedance should be on the headphone jack. It will be either 32, 250, or 600 ohm.

 
Dang. That would have been too easy!
 
I don't know if I have Premium or not, but I bought these new in Canada and the headphone jack (3.5mm) has two flat parts on the moulded cover, but no visible markings. It might be a regional market thing.
 
I assume they're not 32 ohm, because my iPhone can't drive them very loud so I use a CMOY. But I'd like to know for sure.
 
Is there any way to measure? Or anywhere else I'd find a clue?
 
Thanks.
 
Sep 12, 2014 at 5:08 PM Post #26 of 28
   
Dang. That would have been too easy!
 
I don't know if I have Premium or not, but I bought these new in Canada and the headphone jack (3.5mm) has two flat parts on the moulded cover, but no visible markings. It might be a regional market thing.
 
I assume they're not 32 ohm, because my iPhone can't drive them very loud so I use a CMOY. But I'd like to know for sure.
 
Is there any way to measure? Or anywhere else I'd find a clue?
 
Thanks.


The only other way I can think of to measure the impedance is to open them up and take a multimeter to the driver contacts. It's not too hard to open the DT 770s. Just take off the ear pads, use a small electrical screwdriver or a butter knife to pry off the plastic ring that holds on the foam driver cover, and pull the driver out of the enclosure. Putting them back together is pretty easy too, although putting the ear pads back on can be a little annoying.
 

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