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Curious about the new Objective Line ODAC.

I really want optical in. Not really a common case, I know, which is why the original designer didn't bother with implementing it in, but I'm happy that there is finally an option for people like me. ^_^

Now, if only it has a mic in...

Mayflower Electronics hinted that they will be releasing a new product quite some time ago, and it's basically an ODAC with new features, including optical in and a mic in. Other features have not been unannounced, but those two features are all that I wished that the original ODAC had. Surprised that JDS Labs is the first one to release their new line. Curious about that the Mayflower team can throw out.

 

I think the optical in and mic in should have been featured with the JDS Element. I would have been sold on mic-in, since my motherboard's mic-in on my motherboard is pretty noisy.

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Curious about the new Objective Line ODAC.

I really want optical in. Not really a common case, I know, which is why the original designer didn't bother with implementing it in, but I'm happy that there is finally an option for people like me. ^_^

Now, if only it has a mic in...

Mayflower Electronics hinted that they will be releasing a new product quite some time ago, and it's basically an ODAC with new features, including optical in and a mic in. Other features have not been unannounced, but those two features are all that I wished that the original ODAC had. Surprised that JDS Labs is the first one to release their new line. Curious about that the Mayflower team can throw out.

 

The "ODAC with new features" was as a collaboration led by JDS Labs. All Objective retailers were involved in early 2016. Unfortunately, it failed to reach beta testing due to technical limitations

 

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I think the optical in and mic in should have been featured with the JDS Element. I would have been sold on mic-in, since my motherboard's mic-in on my motherboard is pretty noisy.

 

Thanks for the feedback!

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The "ODAC with new features" was as a collaboration led by JDS Labs. All Objective retailers were involved in early 2016. Unfortunately, it failed to reach beta testing due to technical limitations

 

 

Thanks for the feedback!

 

I might sound like a spoiled kid but I also think the JDS Labs Element could have also included a bass boost option from the C421 portable amp. 

 

Right now I've yet to recommend anyone the JDS Element since there are so many competitive options out there on the market for 350USD (stated on the website as of January 9th, 2017)and I currently don't see a reason to not recommend the JDS Labs ODAC/O2 instead which is very flexible, compact and does what it needs to do. I still use my odac/o2 because instead of spending $300 to change a sound signature in the amp portion, I could swap in a Muses02 or LME49720HA (w/ adapter) to do that for me. With the C421 I could just flip a switch and be happy with a change in sound.
 

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Unfortunately, I did not bring a banana to work today. The last one in the kitchen was going brown. If you don't mind a brown banana, I'll arrange this tomorrow!

 

Yes, the headphone jack is a 1/4" type. Since 1/8" adapters are so prevelant and often supplied with headphones and IEMs, it's unlikely we'll pursue a 3.5mm output.

 

 

This was a difficult decision to make as lead engineer.

Notice that the rear side of The Element is full: power input, power button, gain button, USB input, and a single set of RCA jacks. We'd love to have added optical or S/PDIF input and an additional set of RCA DAC line outputs. But there's no room! The minimalistic enclosure requires a carefully selected features-set. Without delving too much into the business end, analog input is the best path.

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The Element is designed as a reference amp first and foremost. Its DAC should be considered an added bonus.

 

  • Removing the DAC has a relatively small cost impact (compare C5D and C5).
  • DAC feature-sets and dynamic range will continue to advance over the next few years.
  • Configuring jacks as RCA input expands future input capability of The Element

 

In other words, RCA input means The Element can be used with future DACs with much greater flexibility. This will allow you to connect DACs with greater input and output capabilities.

I bolded and underlined that statement there. Now I'm no engineer, but I'm an end user. I like pushing buttons where I can see it and buttons can most definitely be an aesthetic. 

 

However as a former visual arts photographer and currently part of the IT field, minimalism is starting to fade out and people like seeing simple yet powerful options in front of them where they can control/see it. I also think putting buttons in the front could definitely open up some space.


Edited by Nec3 - 1/9/17 at 9:03am
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Where is NwAVGuy? I really want him to come back and finish his desktop amp version, ideally with balanced outputs too. Though from what I can remember reading, he seemed to dismiss balanced as actually offering sonic benefits of any kind.

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The "ODAC with new features" was as a collaboration led by JDS Labs. All Objective retailers were involved in early 2016. Unfortunately, it failed to reach beta testing due to technical limitations

 

 

Ah, I see. I'm sorry the project was unsuccessful. :(

 

Wish you guys best of luck with whatever else you are working on though! o(^_^)b

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Ah, I see. I'm sorry the project was unsuccessful. :(

 

Wish you guys best of luck with whatever else you are working on though! o(^_^)b

 

That's the nature of development! O2 was unable to support the power requirements of the DAC, so it needed to stand on its own. The group was only interested in producing an amp/DAC combo. Thus, we launched OL DAC independently using the core circuitry.

 

There's little reason for Standalone ODAC to exist at this point.

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