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post #61 of 160

Well I still think your graph looks very similar to headroom's, just stretched out horizontally. He has already stated that he didn't mean the vocals completely disappear (obviously) so you can stop going off on that, its not helping anyone. Didn't you say you've got m50 pads on yours as well as custom cables? Has it occurred to you that maybe the DJ100/200/TB does in fact suffer from this problem but that your particular customizations and amp pairing has significantly improved this weak point in the original design?

post #62 of 160
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Well I still think your graph looks very similar to headroom's, just stretched out horizontally. He has already stated that he didn't mean the vocals completely disappear (obviously) so you can stop going off on that, its not helping anyone. Didn't you say you've got m50 pads on yours as well as custom cables? Has it occurred to you that maybe the DJ100/200/TB does in fact suffer from this problem but that your particular customizations and amp pairing has significantly improved this weak point in the original design?

 

Nope. I've used the DJ100 long enough with stock pads to know what it should sound like. The only thing the M50 pads do is help increase treble a tad.

 

An amp does make the mids more forward, but this is with ANY neutral amp. I've tried half a dozen or more. It's not a case of the DJ100/TB taking on the signature of the amp. It's also not enough to radically change it's sound signature.

 

The TB has some benefit from new cables, but not enough to really show up on graphs. Lately i've been using stock cable.

 

I'm only referencing the disappearing vocals because of what Beagle keeps claiming.

post #63 of 160

Yo,

 

I feel the same way. I believe the DJ100 and Tony Bennett are really good. I love them but not at full price. I think they are a solid performer at $50, but for $100 you can do much better (KRK-KNS6400). I've been watching this debate and I have to say it's getting out of hand. When I heard the DJ200 it sounded the same as the DJ100 and TB headphones, but that's not to say they changed anything. I heard them side by side at Koss' outlet store here in Milwaukee. I contacted them about getting demo units so I am just waiting for reply.

 

As for the DJ100, they aren't perfect. They don't require an amp of any sort, and they most certainly are a warm headphone. I've tried them on all of my amps and they don't improve that much. Also the idea of "not having bass if not amped" is totally not true. Even from my weak PC and laptop's headphone out they had plenty of bass. Out of my old CLAtronic CD player they have plenty of bass. I think always stating they need an amp is misleading and also a turn off to them. They're low impedance and very sensitive already, like Grado's.

 

I don't know anymore. I say they don't need an amp and others chime in saying they do and I don't know what i'm talking about. Others have claimed it's my sources or amps, but they sound the same when amped and not amped. It just seems people try to defend these headphones no matter what. Like those raging K701 fan boys of old. They didn't want to hear anyone else's opinions at all. I'm tired of members claiming it's one persons source or amp that is the reason for their dislike of that headphone. I have a friend who is a member here, and shall go unnamed, but he didn't like a certain headphone. Other members said it was his gear and he needed a new source and amp. The thing is he had really good gear to begin with. I find people just try to argue these points when they are fanboys, yet again this is not directed at anyone in particular. If they don't like it they don't like it. None needs to be so pushy.

 

Like I said I'm trying to get pairs from Koss so I'll reserve final judgement until I get them in. It is possible there are defective pairs out there and can have funky mids because of that but who knows. We'll see.

 

Until then lets keep it civil in here guys. This large amount of arguing isn't helping at all. I am going to Koss tomorrow and will listen to all three models side by side. They are only a few miles away from me so I can just catch a ride there and find out sooner rather than waiting for review samples. I'll chime in tomorrow in the late afternoon after I get back from Koss.

 

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Well I wanted to post to this thread because I want to be subscribed and I want to see what Zombie_X has to say about the DJ100/200/TB.

 

I must say... this DJ100/200/TB headphone has got to be the most controversial headphone around here. And in a strange way. This is the 3rd or 4th time I've found threads praising the DJ100 up and down in a frantically passionate way. Its almost like... there are a lot of people around here that really, really need the DJ100 to be considered a super-awesome-amazing headphone. Its kind of bizarre. No disrespect to any of you but after all the stuff I've heard about the DJ100 I end up thinking... why not let the headphone speak for itself? Why are people so frantically obsessed with demanding that its so good? I haven't heard any other headphone shamelessly promoted quite like this. I'm very tempted to buy it myself to find out what all the fuss is about but I have absolutely no use for it and several other cans that I'd like to get first. Oh well. Looking forward to your thoughts Zombie_X maybe you can calm these guys down and bring some order to this mess. :)

 

Again, no disrespect. If you love the DJ100/200/TB then good. If you don't, that's fine too. But if its as good as some people have been saying then surely it can stand on its own two feet, so to speak. You don't need to defend it like its your own child and someone is calling it ugly. ;)


Edited by Zombie_X - 7/15/12 at 5:37pm
post #64 of 160
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I feel the same way. I believe the DJ100 and Tony Bennett are really good. I love them but not at full price. I think they are a solid performer at $50, but for $100 you can do much better (KRK-KNS6400). I've been watching this debate and I have to say it's getting out of hand. When I heard the DJ200 it sounded the same as the DJ100 and TB headphones, but that's not to say they changed anything. I heard them side by side at Koss' outlet store here in Milwaukee. I contacted them about getting demo units so I am just waiting for reply.

 

As for the DJ100, they aren't perfect. They don't require an amp of any sort, and they most certainly are a warm headphone. I've tried them on all of my amps and they don't improve that much. Also the idea of "not having bass if not amped" is totally not true. Even from my weak PC and laptop's headphone out they had plenty of bass. Out of my old CLAtronic CD player they have plenty of bass. I think always stating they need an amp is misleading and also a turn off to them. They're low impedance and very sensitive already, like Grado's.

 

I don't know anymore. I say they don't need an amp and others chime in saying they do and I don't know what i'm talking about. Others have claimed it's my sources or amps, but they sound the same when amped and not amped. It just seems people try to defend these headphones no matter what. Like those raging K701 fan boys of old. They didn't want to hear anyone else's opinions at all. I'm tired of members claiming it's one persons source or amp that is the reason for their dislike of that headphone. I have a friend who is a member here, and shall go unnamed, but he didn't like a certain headphone. Other members said it was his gear and he needed a new source and amp. The thing is he had really good gear to begin with. I find people just try to argue these points when they are fanboys, yet again this is not directed at anyone in particular. If they don't like it they don't like it. None needs to be so pushy.

 

Like I said I'm trying to get pairs from Koss so I'll reserve final judgement until I get them in. It is possible there are defective pairs out there and can have funky mids because of that but who knows. We'll see.

 

Until then lets keep it civil in here guys. This large amount of arguing isn't helping at all. I am going to Koss tomorrow and will listen to all three models side by side. They are only a few miles away from me so I can just catch a ride there and find out sooner rather than waiting for review samples. I'll chime in tomorrow in the late afternoon after I get back from Koss.

 

 

I probably early on mentioned the DJ100 not having bass without an amp. I've found this not to be very true. If anything, the bass is a little more sloppy or bloated when under-amped. I could have sworn you said that yourself once! From day one I've been trying to figure out why some people think these are bass-light. I think it came down to the idea of a poor seal with the stock pads. Maybe some are trained into thinking Monster Beats style bass is normal.

 

You and I always seem to disagree, but when you say they don't need to be amped, I still have to point out my experience with them even if it's different biggrin.gif Not to say you're wrong! I think maybe I should now not say they require an amp, but improve with one. I mean no headphone requires an amp right? Even the HD-800 works from a Sansa Clip!!  I really really do think they're are MUCH less fatiguing when very well amped. Much smoother sounding. When you get your demo pairs you should test this out some more. When amping them it's not a massive improvement, but I just prefer to use them with any amp. Even the E5 does the trick. I find that I prefer them well amped, so that's why I suggest it so much. Koss probably hates me for this! Maybe not. They do show the DJ100 on their website sitting next to a tube amp! I wonder why I don't like them that much without an amp. When I try it, after about 10 minutes it feels like something is a bit off.

 

I've also noticed the mids are much more full sounding. For me, the results are similar to how the Q701 sounds when going from under-amped to well amped. My best advice all along to people is to try them with an amp and see if you notice any improvements. Many people won't because there's dozens and dozen of different portable players. For example, I bet you won't like the DJ100 with a portable CD player. Have you tried it? I don't suggest it! Sounds bad from my 2002 Panasonic. Heard a Sony driver it extremely well. I still think the DJ100 gets plenty loud without an amp, but so does my Q701.

 

But one question is..haven't you ever had a headphone that you didn't like without a specific amp? For me it would be quite easy to hate the HD-650 on the wrong amp. I've never been a believer that one amp is always good for everything. I learned my lesson on this when I had the Asgard. Sure..maybe the O2 will be OK. I don't believe in something like "if you don't like it, you don't like it". I hated the K702 on the Asgard. I was amazed at how much better it was on the...E9. Not even joking. I'm a huge believer in amp/dac/headphone synergy. Maybe it's because so many amps are not neutral. Who knows. I actually HATED the D2000 until I tried it on the Asgard. I was like..."D2000 has recessed mids? Huh?!" Maybe it's that the Asgard is just very colored, but I doubt it.

 

Not trying to be a fan-boy. Sure I like the DJ100, but since I do I just wanted to find out more on this possible issue. That's all. I actually could care less about people hating them. I don't think i've been rude at all. What's wrong with a nice friendly argument once in awhile? normal_smile%20.gif Remember, NOBODY ever hears a headphone the same way. If so it's very rare! People should know this by now. Sometimes I do forget this.

 

BTW the KRK KNS-6400 is nice, but I have to admit that the DJ100 has an edge (for me) because of it's mids. The KRKs have a little more "edgy" treble. Not perfectly smooth to my ears, but not too fatiguing.

 

Maybe when you get the demo units you can compare the upper mids on each Koss headphone. Who knows if Koss changed some of the internals of the DJ200. I can't imagine them doing that.  I also do believe that some DJ100s need lots of burn-in for them to be at their best. Luckily my last one sounded great out of the box, but that was the TB version.

 

 

Also..one last thing..one more graph for fun:

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/KossTonyBennett.pdf

 

To my ears, it sounds like the raw data graph at the bottom. It DOES sound like there is a large peak at around 5k or so and then a little drop off. Does anyone else hear a peak on theirs at this area? On the MV1 it's probably massive.


Edited by tdockweiler - 7/15/12 at 6:32pm
post #65 of 160
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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

Until then lets keep it civil in here guys. This large amount of arguing isn't helping at all. I am going to Koss tomorrow and will listen to all three models side by side. They are only a few miles away from me so I can just catch a ride there and find out sooner rather than waiting for review samples. I'll chime in tomorrow in the late afternoon after I get back from Koss.

 

I (until my very recent move to Alabama) used to live in Green Bay, and whenever I was in Milwaukee or even passed through Milwaukee I'd stop there. I first heard an ESP/950 at the headquarters. That place was my audio nirvana early on, and has made me love Koss. I will be listening to a demo at Best Buy and bringing the DJ200 with me tomorrow to compare, just in case my unit is faulty. I hate to say I don't love one of Koss's higher-end products, but this one has really made me question it.

post #66 of 160

Hi Travis,

 

I wan't singling you out at all, it's more or less most of the people who are wild about the DJ100, so I hoe you haven't taken offense to it. I'm too used to people claimed X headphone needs and amp no matter what the other person says. You know? I wans't calling you a fan boy directly, but really you are, and not in a bad way. I'm a beyerdynamic fan boy but not rampant like a Beats owner. You and me are more subdued when it comes to this. lso we don't try to call a persons perception wrong like other may. I just hope you understand I wan't aiming anything at you.

 

I've never had it where a headphone sounded much better with one amp, or even when I can only listen to X headphone on X amp. I rotate through all my headphones and all my amps. I like all my amps and I love the pairings I get with them, but no headphone has ever had to be amped on one amp. Headphones don't change a whole lot with an amp and have yet to a pairing that was great on one and bad on another. I'm not that picky. If it sounds good then it sounds good. I've heard headphones that I dislike (HD650) that improve on an amp in a favorable way, but never enough to make me love them.

 

For the DJ100 they aren't bass lite to me at all. They are actually heavy in the bass and I like that. It seems my tastes are shifting from pure neutral to more fun. Yes they do improve from amping, I don't deny that, but don't require an amp at all. I get enough power from my PC and Zune to rive them well. From the PC they sound like poo though, so I use them on my amps. The bass tightens with an amp but is not that big.

 

The D200 doesn't improve much with amping in my experience. The bass gets tighter but otherwise the sound is still largely the same. Even from my V200, which is insanely powerful, it still doesn't sound all that different. I've never had the mids come forward with amping unless the amp is colored, like with a tube amp. I mostly notice a smoothing of the sound, tightening of the bass, widening of soundstage, and more cohesion of the sound. Sometimes the bass gets stronger with amping because the headphones did not have much power, but now with ample power they run wild.

 

I'll definitely report back tomorrow with my findings of the headphones. I have a O2 amp here on loan from a friend so I'll use that as an amp and my Zune HD as the source. The O2 is very powerful so that should rule out any amping issues people have with these (plus it gives my results a more ground to stand on, or so to say). 

 

Oh and the MV1 isn't bad, but it isn't great. IMO it's one of Koss' better headphones out there. I had serious issues with the PRO4AAAT, and I'm sure you have some as well since I traded you mine. The MV1 has a weird midrange which is full of peaks and dips. Besides the mids I do like the headphone. It's not worth the $179 they ask but perhaps around $80-$100 it's good.

 

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I probably early on mentioned the DJ100 not having bass without an amp. I've found this not to be very true. If anything, the bass is a little more sloppy or bloated when under-amped. I could have sworn you said that yourself once! From day one I've been trying to figure out why some people think these are bass-light. I think it came down to the idea of a poor seal with the stock pads. Maybe some are trained into thinking Monster Beats style bass is normal.

 

You and I always seem to disagree, but when you say they don't need to be amped, I still have to point out my experience with them even if it's different biggrin.gif Not to say you're wrong! I think maybe I should now not say they require an amp, but improve with one. I mean no headphone requires an amp right? Even the HD-800 works from a Sansa Clip!!  I really really do think they're are MUCH less fatiguing when very well amped. Much smoother sounding. When you get your demo pairs you should test this out some more. When amping them it's not a massive improvement, but I just prefer to use them with any amp. Even the E5 does the trick. I find that I prefer them well amped, so that's why I suggest it so much. Koss probably hates me for this! Maybe not. They do show the DJ100 on their website sitting next to a tube amp! I wonder why I don't like them that much without an amp. When I try it, after about 10 minutes it feels like something is a bit off.

 

I've also noticed the mids are much more full sounding. For me, the results are similar to how the Q701 sounds when going from under-amped to well amped. My best advice all along to people is to try them with an amp and see if you notice any improvements. Many people won't because there's dozens and dozen of different portable players. For example, I bet you won't like the DJ100 with a portable CD player. Have you tried it? I don't suggest it! Sounds bad from my 2002 Panasonic. Heard a Sony driver it extremely well. I still think the DJ100 gets plenty loud without an amp, but so does my Q701.

 

But one question is..haven't you ever had a headphone that you didn't like without a specific amp? For me it would be quite easy to hate the HD-650 on the wrong amp. I've never been a believer that one amp is always good for everything. I learned my lesson on this when I had the Asgard. Sure..maybe the O2 will be OK. I don't believe in something like "if you don't like it, you don't like it". I hated the K702 on the Asgard. I was amazed at how much better it was on the...E9. Not even joking. I'm a huge believer in amp/dac/headphone synergy. Maybe it's because so many amps are not neutral. Who knows. I actually HATED the D2000 until I tried it on the Asgard. I was like..."D2000 has recessed mids? Huh?!" Maybe it's that the Asgard is just very colored, but I doubt it.

 

Not trying to be a fan-boy. Sure I like the DJ100, but since I do I just wanted to find out more on this possible issue. That's all. I actually could care less about people hating them. I don't think i've been rude at all. What's wrong with a nice friendly argument once in awhile? normal_smile%20.gif Remember, NOBODY ever hears a headphone the same way. If so it's very rare! People should know this by now. Sometimes I do forget this.

 

BTW the KRK KNS-6400 is nice, but I have to admit that the DJ100 has an edge (for me) because of it's mids. The KRKs have a little more "edgy" treble. Not perfectly smooth to my ears, but not too fatiguing.

 

Maybe when you get the demo units you can compare the upper mids on each Koss headphone. Who knows if Koss changed some of the internals of the DJ200. I can't imagine them doing that.  I also do believe that some DJ100s need lots of burn-in for them to be at their best. Luckily my last one sounded great out of the box, but that was the TB version.

 

 

Also..one last thing..one more graph for fun:

 

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/KossTonyBennett.pdf

 

To my ears, it sounds like the raw data graph at the bottom. It DOES sound like there is a large peak at around 5k or so and then a little drop off. Does anyone else hear a peak on theirs at this area? On the MV1 it's probably massive.


Edited by Zombie_X - 7/15/12 at 7:40pm
post #67 of 160

I know you weren't aiming that at me, but even if you were that's OK! I'll admit that i'm probably the biggest DJ100 fanboy there is. Sometimes I feel like i'm on a one man mission to get people to try this. It deserves to be as popular as the KSC75 and Porta Pro! It's not often a headphone has my near perfect signature. I wouldn't change a thing about the DJ100's signature at all. When people describe my favorite headphone differently than I hear it, all I want is to know more info about it. I'm perfectly OK if people hate it and I don't try to defend how I think it's supposed to sound. I just have to question some things. The DJ100's sound varies a lot IMO with burn in and amp/dac/source combos. I think with it's bass and forward mids it's all a balancing act. I guess you can't have everything. The DJ100 IMO leans towards having a fun signature (my idea of fun!!) while still sounding fairly balanced.

 

I'm close to being a KRK fanboy too and i've heard it all with that also. Thin, bloated, too much treble or too much mid-bass. I don't think i've ever seen people split on a headphone that much before. What's really tough at times is describing the differences between the 6400 and 8400!

 

From day one I figured not everyone would like the DJ100's signature. It's a bit too "shouty" to some or too forward. I like that. I actually think it has more than neutral bass and a fairly large step under being bass heavy. It's kind of shocking to play games with that because when I listen to music it sounds like it has much less bass. If I played Bioshock 2 with it it DOES appear to be bass heavy. Maybe that's just how the soundtrack is.

 

That's the thing about the D2000. I remember using it right out of the box with the Asgard. Sounded amazing. Took me downstairs to use it straight from a portable and it's bass was very bloated. I couldn't figure out what was going on..took it back upstairs and it was back to it's old self. I still find the D2000 a snore fest, but to most it's a fun headphone. I guess I don't like it's mids, but it's a pretty good headphone, but it's mids don't do it for me. Same with the HD-600. I do love the HD-580 though. Same driver too, but it's almost too warm to me. I think the DJ100 can be somewhat warm, but not like a Sennheiser. Someday i'll have to loan you my Sextett. It's mids are similar to the DJ100. The DJ100 mids are about as full sounding as the Sextett. The thing that impresses me the most about the Sextett is it's imaging and how realistic some instruments sound. BTW I hated it previously, but my DAC was having issues with it. I actually only likes it's mids. The bass and treble...not so much. The DJ100 has better bass extension and treble.

 

That Pro4AAAT still sounds terrible to me. I may need to give it another 200 hours and see if it changes any! It sounds rather muffled sounding. Maybe it's resonance? I can't stand using it for more than 15 minutes. I imagine the other closed versions are much better. The Koss A/250 still annoys me. I think I would need a very warm amp to make me love it. I haven't tried to EQ it yet. Somehow it still impresses me in some areas such as detail. Pretty clear too. It sounds even thinner than a DT-880.

 

Always wanted to hear what the DJ100 sounds like on the EF2A, LD1+ or O2. Trying to decide on any one of those 3 for the DJ100.

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Hi Travis,

 

I wan't singling you out at all, it's more or less most of the people who are wild about the DJ100, so I hoe you haven't taken offense to it. I'm too used to people claimed X headphone needs and amp no matter what the other person says. You know? I wans't calling you a fan boy directly, but really you are, and not in a bad way. I'm a beyerdynamic fan boy but not rampant like a Beats owner. You and me are more subdued when it comes to this. lso we don't try to call a persons perception wrong like other may. I just hope you understand I wan't aiming anything at you.

 

I've never had it where a headphone sounded much better with one amp, or even when I can only listen to X headphone on X amp. I rotate through all my headphones and all my amps. I like all my amps and I love the pairings I get with them, but no headphone has ever had to be amped on one amp. Headphones don't change a whole lot with an amp and have yet to a pairing that was great on one and bad on another. I'm not that picky. If it sounds good then it sounds good. I've heard headphones that I dislike (HD650) that improve on an amp in a favorable way, but never enough to make me love them.

 

For the DJ100 they aren't bass lite to me at all. They are actually heavy in the bass and I like that. It seems my tastes are shifting from pure neutral to more fun. Yes they do improve from amping, I don't deny that, but don't require an amp at all. I get enough power from my PC and Zune to rive them well. From the PC they sound like poo though, so I use them on my amps. The bass tightens with an amp but is not that big.

 

The D200 doesn't improve much with amping in my experience. The bass gets tighter but otherwise the sound is still largely the same. Even from my V200, which is insanely powerful, it still doesn't sound all that different. I've never had the mids come forward with amping unless the amp is colored, like with a tube amp. I mostly notice a smoothing of the sound, tightening of the bass, widening of soundstage, and more cohesion of the sound. Sometimes the bass gets stronger with amping because the headphones did not have much power, but now with ample power they run wild.

 

I'll definitely report back tomorrow with my findings of the headphones. I have a O2 amp here on loan from a friend so I'll use that as an amp and my Zune HD as the source. The O2 is very powerful so that should rule out any amping issues people have with these (plus it gives my results a more ground to stand on, or so to say). 

 

Oh and the MV1 isn't bad, but it isn't great. IMO it's one of Koss' better headphones out there. I had serious issues with the PRO4AAAT, and I'm sure you have some as well since I traded you mine. The MV1 has a weird midrange which is full of peaks and dips. Besides the mids I do like the headphone. It's not worth the $179 they ask but perhaps around $80-$100 it's good.

 

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That Pro4AAAT still sounds terrible to me. I may need to give it another 200 hours and see if it changes any! It sounds rather muffled sounding. Maybe it's resonance? I can't stand using it for more than 15 minutes. I imagine the other closed versions are much better.

I think we have something in common here besides being Koss fans in general (five pages into the thread). I think the whole great Pro#A____ line that started so many years ago is not served well by that offering.

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That huge trough doesn't actually exist. 

 

Because tdockweiler says it doesn't

 

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Graphs are basically pointless and stupid.

 

When they don't dovetail what tdockweiler hears

 

 

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As much as I like Headroom, here's why you should always take their graphs with a grain of salt. Look at this nice one for a somewhat flat studio monitor:

 

The KRK 8400 is far from flat.

 

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I asked for some reference tracks or proof and you seem butt hurt and totally avoided my questions.

 

What questions? 

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Because tdockweiler says it doesn't

 

The KRK 8400 is far from flat.

 

What questions? 

 



More of these games? Ok, i'll bite..but I'm not going to get into a flame war with you..most of those comments are basically troll bait.

 

That huge trough doesn't exist IMO because I can't even hear it. If it was really there you'd think it'd be easier to spot. Instead theres forward upper mids instead of some massive dip. I would say a peak and then maybe a small dip, but nothing too bad.

It sounds like you must have seen the graphs beforehand and put too much trust in them. If anything there might be a dip in the treble somewhere. Can't have good bass, forward mids and lots of treble I guess.

 

I was being civil and you started getting all defensive and started calling me childish for no reason..just because I had to question what you heard! What the heck! I have ZERO problems with anyone hearing them different than me.

 

The questions i've asked were A) what exact songs give you this issue or B) what exact frequency is it.

 

If someone claims a headphone has sucked out mids and it's the total opposite to me, what do you expect me to do? Just ignore it? I actually wanted to hear it with my own ears or at least try. When I ask this, it's not like I'm saying your wrong, but wondering how this is possible. The first thing that comes to mind is a defect, amping issue or insufficient burn-in. Maybe it's perfectly fine, but it's possible it isn't right? One reason I questioned what you heard is that there has been others to had problems with it's mids and it was a defect apparently.

 

The DJ100 is really picky about amps, burn-in and sources. This is why I questioned what you were driving it with. Not saying it was junk. The DJ100 can easily sound bad from some sources. It's mids are definitely more forward with even a neutral amp. I don't know how and wish I could prove this. Not a case of using a colored amp. The mids are just not as good without an amp. People have kept saying otherwise.

 

Graphs can be useful, but most of the time they never really give anyone an idea of how a headphone should sound. People put way too much trust in graphs. Most likely the graphs of the DJ100 are screwy due to a poor seal. I think the DJ100/TB has forward upper mids. If people think otherwise I hope they say so. So far there is still not enough reviews describing it's signature.

 

Thanks, but I didn't say the 8400 was flat. I said somewhat flat. It seems to have a bit too much treble. It's no more colored than an M50, that's for sure. I find the KNS-6400 to be flatter. It seems almost zero headphones are really flat. I don't even think the HD-600, Q701 or V6 is. If someone else thinks they are, then OK. The 8400 supposedly has forward upper mids, but the DJ100's upper mids sound even more forward. I don't know why..

 

People can think i'm nuts, but at times the DJ100 when well amped actually sounds more balanced than the KNS-8400. At least with M50 pads. Balanced, but not neutral. I'd even say the 598 is quite balanced sounding despite it's forward mids. It's sound signature seems perfectly smooth to me.


Edited by tdockweiler - 7/16/12 at 1:22pm
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Hello,

 

I am trying to decide whether I should go with the Tony Bennett headphones, or the ProDJ200s. I like that they have detachable cords, as well as cases (as opposed to the ProDJ100). I've been doing some reading around and it appears that the ProDJ100s, TB, and ProDJ200s all sound pretty much the same... So is it basically the same drivers? (I don't know if that's the right word... (I'm new to the headphone scene) the things that make the sound, lol).

 

Btw, tdockweiler, I PM'd you last night... not sure if you noticed the PM.

post #72 of 160
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Originally Posted by ElectroPulse View Post

Hello,

 

I am trying to decide whether I should go with the Tony Bennett headphones, or the ProDJ200s. I like that they have detachable cords, as well as cases (as opposed to the ProDJ100). I've been doing some reading around and it appears that the ProDJ100s, TB, and ProDJ200s all sound pretty much the same... So is it basically the same drivers? (I don't know if that's the right word... (I'm new to the headphone scene) the things that make the sound, lol).

 

Btw, tdockweiler, I PM'd you last night... not sure if you noticed the PM.

 

The differences are in the features and extra kit.  Pick one of the three that best meets your needs and budget.

post #73 of 160
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Originally Posted by ElectroPulse View Post

Hello,

 

I am trying to decide whether I should go with the Tony Bennett headphones, or the ProDJ200s. I like that they have detachable cords, as well as cases (as opposed to the ProDJ100). I've been doing some reading around and it appears that the ProDJ100s, TB, and ProDJ200s all sound pretty much the same... So is it basically the same drivers? (I don't know if that's the right word... (I'm new to the headphone scene) the things that make the sound, lol).

 

Btw, tdockweiler, I PM'd you last night... not sure if you noticed the PM.

 

If you don't need any extras, go with the DJ100. I like the TB version due to the removable or straight cable option. The TB comes with a coiled cable but a straight cable is under $10 almost anywhere. I like the one from Target called the "Signature Pro" from GE. It's $9. I actually have not used the case it comes with even once! I don't travel with headphones at all though.

 

There is one difference with the TB. The holes in the inside of the cups appear to be drilled straight to the metal. It's exposed. On the DJ100 it isn't (that I could tell). I don't know if this changes the sound, but they sound similar to me. I have NOT done an A/B comparison though.

 

I have the Fiio E6 on the way for them. Hopefully it's as good as the E5 for them. Didn't like the E7 with the DJ100 much. E11 is..OK.

 

Also..the DJ200 includes a cable with a built in mic and Iphone/Ipod touch controls as well as a coiled cable. I think. This might be nice to have for some, but I don't need it.


Edited by tdockweiler - 7/16/12 at 3:24pm
post #74 of 160

You guys,

 

Got back from Koss a little bit over an hour ago. I got to try the DJ100, TB, and DJ200 all side by side. I was using my ZUne HD and a Objective 2 amp. I got there kinds late so I had to rush on the impressions.

 

Here's the deal: they all sound the same. I asked the female sales clerk if there had been a lot of defects with them and I was told there were some bad ones that went out but that was corrected. They said there haven't been many return to their store directly for bad item either.

 

I am starting to think you guys may have gotten a defective DJ200. It has to be a defective pair as all the ones I listened to sounded the same (they had two DJ200 out on display).

post #75 of 160
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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

You guys,

 

Got back from Koss a little bit over an hour ago. I got to try the DJ100, TB, and DJ200 all side by side. I was using my ZUne HD and a Objective 2 amp. I got there kinds late so I had to rush on the impressions.

 

Here's the deal: they all sound the same. I asked the female sales clerk if there had been a lot of defects with them and I was told there were some bad ones that went out but that was corrected. They said there haven't been many return to their store directly for bad item either.

 

I am starting to think you guys may have gotten a defective DJ200. It has to be a defective pair as all the ones I listened to sounded the same (they had two DJ200 out on display).


Did you notice any dip in the upper mids? I had to postpone my BB trip until tomorrow.

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