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post #31 of 39

The DAC that is built into your iPod is as good as anything you will find in an external DAC. Save your money and put it into better headphones and music. Those are the things that make more of a difference.

post #32 of 39
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The DAC that is built into your iPod is as good as anything you will find in an external DAC. Save your money and put it into better headphones and music. Those are the things that make more of a difference.

  + 100!

post #33 of 39
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The DAC that is built into your iPod is as good as anything you will find in an external DAC. Save your money and put it into better headphones and music. Those are the things that make more of a difference.


I have to disagree with this.  Primarily, this may be due to the amplification inside the iPod, but when I went from my iPod 5th gen to an iBasso D2 Boa back in 2008, I noticed a substantial difference in sound quality.  I'm referring to listening to the same music on the iPod, then listening to it via foobar in Windows, with the iBasso connected to the PC via USB.

post #34 of 39

there is difference, and there is better. 

 

I'm one of those apple haters, so even if the next ipod was a little wonder, I guess my brain would still decide to not like the sound. but I still agree 100% with bigshot here.

 

 

you pick your music, then try to find the headphone that makes it shine. and only then if the said headphone has needs of its own, provide to those needs.

I'm saying this but I'm one to shoot in all directions at once ^_^. my audiophile trip is like some zen quest, I know what to do from the start, but it takes years to actually be able to apply it on myself.

post #35 of 39
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Originally Posted by castleofargh View Post
 

there is difference, and there is better. 

 

I'm one of those apple haters, so even if the next ipod was a little wonder, I guess my brain would still decide to not like the sound. but I still agree 100% with bigshot here.

 

 

you pick your music, then try to find the headphone that makes it shine. and only then if the said headphone has needs of its own, provide to those needs.

I'm saying this but I'm one to shoot in all directions at once ^_^. my audiophile trip is like some zen quest, I know what to do from the start, but it takes years to actually be able to apply it on myself.


When we're talking about just ranking items according to their importance and impact on sound, yes, no one can really argue that headphones make the most difference.  The same applies to speakers.  I was just saying that I don't agree with the comment that the DAC/amp inside the iPod is hard to improve on.  There's also a balance to be achieved.  You can't just say "use the iPod with your $1000 LCD-2s".  There's certain point where if you don't upgrade other items in your arsenal, then you won't be getting anywhere near the full sound of of the headphones.  With that being said, I was able to hear an improvement in sound going from the iPod to the iBasso D2 when using even a relatively cheap pair of headphones, the Beyerdynamic DT-770.  With much more efficient earphones, the difference isn't as great, but it's definitely still there.  I'll do a better comparison with my Westone 3's once they arrive from Amazon this week.

post #36 of 39
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I have to disagree with this.  Primarily, this may be due to the amplification inside the iPod, but when I went from my iPod 5th gen to an iBasso D2 Boa back in 2008, I noticed a substantial difference in sound quality.  I'm referring to listening to the same music on the iPod, then listening to it via foobar in Windows, with the iBasso connected to the PC via USB.

 

Try it out of the line dock. The line out on an iPod is audibly transparent. No coloration. It's as good as a standalone CD player. The problems people experience with iPods are usually due to impedance mismatches with headphones that the iPod's headphone jack isn't meant to work with. The headphone out is for portable headphones. The line out amped is for many home phones.

 

You might be interested in this... http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/ipod-touch-5g/audio-quality.htm

 

Quoting:

 

the iPod Touch 5G is a wonderful high-fidelity audio source. While publications funded mostly by advertisements from makers of expensive cables, power conditioners and outboard DACs don't want you to know this, the iPod Touch 5G is a better audio source than most DACs will be when connected to a computer or CD transport. The only difference is that the iPod Touch has a level 6 dB lower than a proper CD player, but the iPod Touch still has more output at 1 V full-scale than some outboard audiophile DACs

 

Stereophile review: http://www.stereophile.com/content/apple-ipod-portable-music-player-measurements


Edited by bigshot - 12/3/13 at 11:30am
post #37 of 39
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You might be interested in this... http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/ipod-touch-5g/audio-quality.htm

 

(off topic sorry) wow I remember reading with passion everything he posted in the early years of 2000 on photography I feel like I'm doing some internet archeology ^_^.

post #38 of 39

Ha!  I came across that site just a couple weeks ago, and read through quite a few of the audio reviews.  But since I'm so new to all this headphone stuff, and haven't listened to any of the equipment he's reviewing, I didn't know how much salt to take with his opinions, which are pretty emphatic.  

 

I then did some googling on him.....some people love love love him, and others hate hate hate, and there doesn't seem to be much room in the middle.... 

post #39 of 39

The thing to look at in that review is the measurements. Every one exceeds the perceptual thresholds of human hearing by a fair margin. You're not going to find better sounding equipment than audibly transparent equipment.

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