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post #61 of 110

I found this EQ the other day and quite like it: http://www.rs-met.com/freebies.html

 

I've never been able to get electri-Q to work on my computer, but the link above seems to work well for me. It also lets me individually tune L/R, which is nice as my ears are slightly different particularly in the treble. 


Edited by Armaegis - 1/30/13 at 10:52am
post #62 of 110

Thanks for this guide. I really don't want to buy the program though, isn't there a way to do this within a vst sequencer like Ableton Live? As far as I can see you would just need a VST version of SineGen?

post #63 of 110
Thread Starter 

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3871101 ...?

Good thinking there bro!  With a VST signal generator you can do the two-pass EQ testing on any VST host without needing system sound loopback!
 

post #64 of 110
So what is the purpose of EQ attenuation parameter ?

When I update my DENON audio app, the setting is set at -1.5 dB ?
post #65 of 110

I don't know how this happened, but downloading Virtual Audio Cable fixed my Dolby Advanced Audio that hasn't been able to turn on for months. I installed VAC, and instantly my sound changes and I have no idea why. I go and check and WOOOO! But then I realized that it messed up my volume controls. So I turned off the driver, and the Dolby fix stayed, but now the driver is just gone it seems. Oh well, doesn't seem I'll be able to do this now. At least I can do simple EQs for my whole system again!
 

post #66 of 110

And how about equalizing my headphones using Android and Neutron MP? I assume that the equalizer prepared using your advices on my PC with cheap sound card do not necessarily translate into good at any sort equalizer on my SGS provided with Wolfsons DAC.


Edited by Winged4Ever - 4/24/13 at 4:08am
post #67 of 110

I was wondering if the parametric EQ FX from Creatives drivers would work with this as well?

Would be great to have it applied to all other audio as well.

I'm trying to get it to sound as natural as possible with the treble but the sound seems to be congesting more easily than with Electri-Q..

 

For those interested, this is the UI:

 

 

I'm still in the learning phase with this as I still don't really get how one could equalize his gear well by just using pink noise. How should I have an idea of what pink noise should actually sound like when I've never heard it perfectly equalizer for my own gear and ears?


Edited by kazaakas - 5/4/13 at 5:37pm
post #68 of 110
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Originally Posted by kazaakas View Post

I was wondering if the parametric EQ FX from Creatives drivers would work with this as well?

Would be great to have it applied to all other audio as well.

I'm trying to get it to sound as natural as possible with the treble but the sound seems to be congesting more easily than with Electri-Q..

 

For those interested, this is the UI:

 

 

I'm still in the learning phase with this as I still don't really get how one could equalize his gear well by just using pink noise. How should I have an idea of what pink noise should actually sound like when I've never heard it perfectly equalizer for my own gear and ears?

Play around with the knobs, turn it up and down so you can calibrate your frequency sense.
Then about the pink noise, it should be a noise that just sounds like everything, if you can hear any frequency that stands out from the rest (eg: whuushhh, sssssss, mmmm , for a lack of better words) you reduce that portion until it blends in with the background noise. It does take some time and experience though. (yes it does require lots and lots of trying, learning and retuning.)

add on note: graphic eq is better for beginners since it's the most direct but still can produce good results when done correctly


Edited by streetdragon - 5/4/13 at 9:08pm
post #69 of 110

Yeah I got back to ElectriQ to get a little more experience with EQing first, however I'm now draining 7.3k and 12.8k both by 8-9 decibels with pretty wide dips and I'm still experiencing a LOT of sibilance with some songs and with some it's gone. There's this one song (Sail Away To Avalon by Ayreon) that had unlistenable siblance for me which I just can't seem to drain out at all. The "s" sound in vocals is just unbearable, quite a shame because it's a song I really used to like before getting so nitpicky about sound :)

post #70 of 110
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Originally Posted by kazaakas View Post

Yeah I got back to ElectriQ to get a little more experience with EQing first, however I'm now draining 7.3k and 12.8k both by 8-9 decibels with pretty wide dips and I'm still experiencing a LOT of sibilance with some songs and with some it's gone. There's this one song (Sail Away To Avalon by Ayreon) that had unlistenable siblance for me which I just can't seem to drain out at all. The "s" sound in vocals is just unbearable, quite a shame because it's a song I really used to like before getting so nitpicky about sound :)

Could it be the 10khz and the 5khz that is causing the remaining sibilance?

post #71 of 110
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Mac users rejoice!  You can equalize system sounds using AU plugins (Mac's equivalent to VST plugins) too!

 

Using Soundflower (equivalent to Virtual Audio Cable) and AU Lab (equivalent to VSTHost)

http://www.dctrwatson.com/2011/06/os-x-system-equalizer/

 

Now to find something equivalent to Sinegen: how about this?  I don't know if you can use it for free though

http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/12333/signalsuite

 

And an AU parametric equalizer... *throws up hands on this one* but there's sure to be *something* available...

 

I'd love to hear back from Mac users who decide to try this about their experiences...

 

I know this is old, but I recently setup my mac to use soundflower to take over my audio stream and route it to au labs apple parametric eq and out to my apogee duet interface.  Works great.  I don't see any performance degradation, and i can save eq settings for different earphones.  I haven't found a sinegen alternative though. :-/

post #72 of 110
Thread Starter 
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3871101

You could put mda testone into your AU effects host in front of the equalizers and generate the test tones that way.
post #73 of 110
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Originally Posted by Joe Bloggs View Post

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3871101

You could put mda testone into your AU effects host in front of the equalizers and generate the test tones that way.

 

Cool.  I'll try that.  I'm a bit confused on the loudness curve eq though.  I've been reading through the posts and I understand the basics, but how do you know what is truly flat?  I can base it off of speakers and generally accepted curves, but how will I be sure I'm making it flat for my ears?

post #74 of 110
Thread Starter 
How do you find the sound of your etys? With etys I've always found them close enough to neutral that it's enough to add a bass boost and a cut filter around 7-10kHz targeting the resonance frequency caused by shallow insertion relative to the original Ear-Rapic(tm) insertion depth they were designed for--rather than going the whole nine yards building the sound off an equal loudness curve. In fact if the sound is good enough for you you may want to go the other way around and create your own equal loudness curve based on what you hear from the etys and use it to equalize other phones in your possession. I have over ear cans that I prefer to wear at home (more comfortable and better bass impact) that I equalized based on comparisons with the Ety mc5. Ironically I lost the etys right after completing the comparison so it's like I rented out the etys for the sole purpose of ripping off its sound LOL
Edited by Joe Bloggs - 7/2/13 at 8:19pm
post #75 of 110
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How do you find the sound of your etys? With etys I've always found them close enough to neutral that it's enough to add a bass boost and a cut filter around 7-10kHz targeting the resonance frequency caused by shallow insertion relative to the original Ear-Rapic(tm) insertion depth they were designed for--rather than going the whole nine yards building the sound off an equal loudness curve. In fact if the sound is good enough for you you may want to go the other way around and create your own equal loudness curve based on what you hear from the etys and use it to equalize other phones in your possession. I have over ear cans that I prefer to wear at home (more comfortable and better bass impact) that I equalized based on comparisons with the Ety mc5. Ironically I lost the etys right after completing the comparison so it's like I rented out the etys for the sole purpose of ripping off its sound LOL

 

Ha.  I love my ety.  I boost the sub bass and that's it.  I use the red knowles dampers which cut down the few small treble bumps perfectly.  so with just a sub bass eq they are very reference.  But my pfe112 have more peaky treble (although still great).  I just can't seem to narrow down the frequencies to make it ety like... :-o

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