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post #31 of 121
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

No Solude was correct.  Source as in DAC.  I think the meaning of source needs a specific deffiniton so we all can be on the same page.

No....a source is the head of the chain. I've never yet heard ANY system in my life that is fronted by a stand alone DAC. If you have, I'm dying to hear about it.

post #32 of 121
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Originally Posted by cAsE sEnSiTiVe View Post

No....a source is the head of the chain. I've never yet heard ANY system in my life that is fronted by a stand alone DAC. If you have, I'm dying to hear about it.

 

It may be different on some other forum but here at headfi, the source is the dac, the transport would be what serves the digital signal to the source. unless of course you are using an all in one cd player without an external dac, then it would just be called a source, and you wouldnt list a transport. as far as what you would call the files and program you use on your computer? i dont even know if we have a particular name for that.

 

tl;dr

Computer(wav, flac, alac, mp3, Jriver, foober, iTunes) -> Transport(Hiface, U3, DI, OffRamp) -> DAC -> amp -> headphones

 

though the computers sound card, or USB port, could be the transport if your DAC hasa good enough USB implementation.

 

Nowadays almost every system is fronted by a dac, almost no one is using cd palyers analog outs anymore, at least not here at head-fi

post #33 of 121

If you are utilizing a stand alone DAC....as the OP is with his w4s DAC 2, it has to be fed digital information of some type....whether it be via computer files, an IPOD, a separate transport spinning a physical disc, or a music server such as a NAS.

 

Are you saying that Head-fi has managed to circumvent a crucial and important part of the musical playback process? lol

 

A DAC is an integral component in the audio chain, but if you feed it crap, you'll get crap. 

 

Anyway....carry on.

post #34 of 121
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Originally Posted by SoupRKnowva View Post

 

It may be different on some other forum but here at headfi, the source is the dac, the transport would be what serves the digital signal to the source. unless of course you are using an all in one cd player without an external dac, then it would just be called a source, and you wouldnt list a transport. as far as what you would call the files and program you use on your computer? i dont even know if we have a particular name for that.

 

tl;dr

Computer(wav, flac, alac, mp3, Jriver, foober, iTunes) -> Transport(Hiface, U3, DI, OffRamp) -> DAC -> amp -> headphones

 

though the computers sound card, or USB port, could be the transport if your DAC hasa good enough USB implementation.

 

Nowadays almost every system is fronted by a dac, almost no one is using cd palyers analog outs anymore, at least not here at head-fi

 

 

I understand what cAsE sEnSiTiVe is saying.  The source is considered the beginning or the start of something.  ie.. where did it originate from - what's the source.  I can see this might get outta hand..  I always called the Dac the source..  anyway..

post #35 of 121
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Originally Posted by daveDerek View Post

you'll find a bunch of folks in either camp who will find one brand (audeze vs hifiman) preferable to the other. regarding the hifiman orthos, the he500 is easier to run but many, maybe most, who've listened to both prefer a properly amped he6 to the 500. it's quite the system paired with the ef6. i've not yet listened to the 500 thru that amp, although i'm sure it's lovely!

 

to expand on the above comment with quotes by a number of other head-fiers who have weighed in on he500s vs he6s, and even lcd2s (from this thread: http://www.head-fi.org/t/493214/hifiman-he-6-planar-magnetic-headphone/5550):

 

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Originally Posted by sphinxvc View Post

Could be the amps certainly, that's why I caveated.  Lucky for Stax owners, the equation for chasing better sound mostly just comes down to how much voltage the amp supplies--if I'm not mistaken the KGSSHV & BH are the highest...not counting the elusive T2.  Not sure how much voltage that one dishes out.  I wish matching dynamic amps were that easy.  Random thoughts:

 

  • I heard the HE-6 & EF6 at a meet this weekend.  It was ok.

 

  • I can't begin to put into words the divide between the HE-500 & HE-6.  People have called them pretty close on head-fi--but to me the HE-6 is unequivocally a better phone.  

 

  • When my experiment with the LCD-2 ends (only one permutation left to try, LCD-2 + LCD-3 pads), I might trade it for an HE-6.  Still not sure if I want the headache and expense of getting a hi-power amp but I'll probably buy a hardware EQ for my HD800 anyway, might work perfect for the HE-6 too.

 

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Originally Posted by Shahrose View Post

 

x2. The HE6 >> HE500 when fed properly. I hope all this talk of power doesn't mask the fact that these benefit greatly from quality power as well as a high-end source.

 

I also found the HE6 to scale higher than the LCD-2. Sold the latter.

 

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  • I can't begin to put into words the divide between the HE-500 & HE-6.  People have called them pretty close on head-fi--but to me the HE-6 is unequivocally a better phone.

 

Originally Posted by Face View Post
 

The HE-6 has much better bass, treble and overall clarity. 

 

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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

 

I'm definitely in the same boat. I made the switch when I had both headphones. Back then I didn't have the amplification power or matching for the HE-6 either. I definitely heard a large difference. World of difference when I got them hooked up to other power sources. 

 

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Originally Posted by Magick Man View Post

Yeah, HE-6s and HE-500s are very similar with "so-so" amps, but with a rig that has some testes you get that last ~10% out of the HE-6 and it makes a difference.

 

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I'm using two 25w @ 42 (125w @8) ohm monoblocks you can get on ebay from time to time for $250 each. Get a used HE-6 and a quality amp and you won't be disappointed. The power does have a direct impact on what the 6s can do. 5 w @ 50 ohms just isn't optimum. I'd say at least 10 watts @ 50 ohm. The amp should be dead quiet in silent mode.
post #36 of 121

I definitely agree with your comparision of the lcd-2 to the 3.

post #37 of 121
Thread Starter 

Thanks.  Senn HD800 and Q have shipped so I should be able to wrap this up sometime next week.  Here's hoping the 800 isn't as withdrawn as I remember.

post #38 of 121

I haven't done a true A/B of the HE-500 vs HE-6 and I only have the HE-6, but based on memory, the HE-6 is at least a standard deviation above the HE-500 in all categories: resolution, bass, detail retrieval, depth, and imaging.

 

That said, for me, the HE-6 has sounded bland and/or flawed on almost every headamp I've heard.  Inadequately driven, the HE-500 is probably a more satisfactory headphone.  Properly driven, well... I'll just say the HE-6 is the first dynamic I've bought since living with the SR007 (and that includes an extended loan of the SR009).

 

Most people here seem to prefer the HD800 and LCD2/3 over everything else, but you'll be doing yourself a disservice if you don't try evaluating the HE-6 on a rig that can do it justice.

post #39 of 121
Thread Starter 

So I guess the question is... what amps provided proper drive for the HE-6?

 

In other news, DHL apparently handed off the HD800 to a marathon runner instead of a delivery truck.  5 days from Toronto to Montreal, now lists Montreal to Ottawa in 3?  Q has landed though.

post #40 of 121
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

So I guess the question is... what amps provided proper drive for the HE-6?

 

 

 

Here we go again biggrin.gif  Everyone says the Dark Star as far as dedicated Headphone amps.  However, I have heard that a B24 (speaker amp) sounds much better than the Dark Star in a side by side comparison.  I have a 4 channel fully balanced B22 and the HE-6.  Sound pretty darn good to me, Although I have heard that the Dark Star does a much better job.  I will be at a meet that a B24 will be at as well - so I will be able to compare.

 

Most people say vintage amps + speaker taps + HE-6 is the way to go.


Edited by preproman - 7/3/12 at 4:51am
post #41 of 121

Personally I would vouch for the Audio-gd Master-6/8 over the Dark Star. If you take into account that half the cost of the Dark Star is the casing,very nice as well I might add, then the Master-6/8 would be price competitive. If the Master-6/8 was built in US/EU/UK then it would probably cost more than the Dark Star.

 

From personal experience the Master-6 drives the HE6's extremely well,


Edited by nigeljames - 7/3/12 at 5:51am
post #42 of 121
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

Personally I would vouch for the Audio-gd Master-6/8 over the Dark Star. If you take into account that half the cost of the Dark Star is the casing,very nice as well I might add, then the Master-6/8 would be price competitive. If the Master-6/8 was built in US?RU/UK then it would probably cost more than the Dark Star.

 

From personal experience the Master-6 drives the HE6's extremely well,

 

 

You've heard the Dark Star as well?

post #43 of 121
Thread Starter 

Hey lookey there, I have a 4ch B22 :D  As for the DarkStar... no.

post #44 of 121
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

You've heard the Dark Star as well?

 

No I haven't.

 

In Skylab's review of the Dark Star he stated that if using different phones than the HE-6 than there are better cheaper amps. This makes me believe that the power output is the reason for its popularity with the HE-6 not it's actually quality. The Master-6 also has the power output & is also superb with the LCD2.2's and T1's even unbalanced so maybe it's the better quality amp. That's just the way I see it. If the DS had a cheaper case but cost the same then I would have more faith that it would perform on an even higher level due to the potentially higher parts cost.

 

This is just the way I rationalize things, I am always looking for quality & value. The DS may give the former but IMO does not give the later. Now if RSA produced a cheaper version with the same internal design & parts but with a cheaper case and sells it for say $2000 then I may consider that as good value.

 

This is not in any way a critism of the DS and I have not heard it but I am always dubious when the essential parts of an amp (the parts that contribute to SQ) only make up half the total cost!

post #45 of 121
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

This is not in any way a critism of the DS and I have not heard it but I am always dubious when the essential parts of an amp (the parts that contribute to SQ) only make up half the total cost!

 

I'd call that running a business, although Ray doesnt have the middlemen most retail operations are saddled with.   

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