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Why ATH-M50?? - Page 2post #16 of 546/15/12 at 12:44pmThe ATH-M50 has many reasons to like it and there are many reasons to suggest it to someone that is just getting into the hobby.1. It is slightly bass heavy north of neutral. This is a good thing for someone entering the hobby because they often are coming from the mindset that more bass is better. God knows that I was concerned about the quality of the bass of a headphone when I first entered the hobby. Not only that, but I would argue that people in general like a sound that is a little bass heavy of neutral (see one of my favorite dynamic driver headphones, the HD650). Not only that, but people almost always want closed-back headphones when they first enter the hobby -- it's not until you start reaching audiophile territory that you really start desiring open-back headphones.2. They measure very well and are comparable to significantly more expensive headphones strictly on measurements. Their waterfall CSD plots are incredibly clean for a closed back headphone in its price bracket. The implication is that the low-level detail retrieval of the ATH-M50 is better than I think a lot of people give it credit. If you're not sure how to read the plot, just do a little bit of research on the waterfall CSD plots and why it is more important than a frequency response graph.3. The reviews on them are generally positive. Are there negative ATH-M50 reviews? Yes, but they're drowned out by the positive ones. Contrast that to headphones that I would consider as having mixed reviews, like the Ultrasone ED8 or the Grado SR series of headphones, which are typically more love it or hate it. The ATH-M50 is a safe suggestion in many cases.4. They really don't require an amplifier. Most people that are entering the hobby want a headphone that is nice sounding to plug into their laptop or DAP. They don't want to carry around an amplifier because it is just extra luggage to carry around on the go. Once again, it's not until you start entering headphone audiophile territory that you start researching portable amps and start wanting one for your system. Most people don't want to carry around an extra thing just to amplify their headphones them they're on the go. You can run the numbers on the impedance and the sensitivity numbers on the ATH-M50 -- typical portable DAPs will be able to properly drive it.Subjectively, and objectively, the ATH-M50 is a solid pick for its price bracket. If you go by the measurements, I'd argue that an equalized ATH-M50 punches significantly out of its price bracket as well. It's, of course, not universally liked, but there is no headphone that is universally liked. It's not the headphone to end all headphones, but it's pretty damn good.
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I don't want to be bashed by anybody here but they're not as magical as they are. They're over-rated just because of their high value (great sonic performance for something at $150).post #18 of 546/15/12 at 1:08pmThread Starterpost #19 of 546/15/12 at 1:13pmThread Starter
does anyone else suggest the vmoda m80s for strictly dubstep? Also, these headphones arent bad but ive also used the DT 990 250 Ohms for a while and they produce far better sound including bass impact than the ATH M50's do. The ATH M50's have much better mids thoughpost #20 of 546/15/12 at 1:44pmpost #21 of 546/15/12 at 1:59pmQuote:
Ummmm have you listened to these things amped up??? If these things are not rattling you brain then you definitely are not amping them properly because this things can push out some serious bass.
The V-Moda's are a joke, i tried the m-80 and the m-100 at the L.A head meet and they seriously suck. The feel cheep and the way they rest on top of your ears is annoying. If you think the ATH-m50 doesnt have enough bass then the V-Moda's definitely wont impress you. Anyone claiming that any of the V-Moda's are on the same level of the ATH-M50, are either Fanboys of the brand or they have not done an A/B comparison because the V-moda's bass does not hit hard and sounds fake. Their whole sound signature in general is aweful.
I have had the opportunity to listen to dozens upon dozen of high end head phones... audeze lcd2/2, Stax, Grados, Dennon, AKG 701/702's, ultrasones.... many more. I know what crazy good headphones sound like, and the ATH-M50 is the most well balanced headphone i have heard for the price range, especially if you love bass.post #22 of 546/15/12 at 2:12pmQuote:...I know what crazy good headphones sound like, and the ATH-M50 is the most well balanced headphone i have heard for the price range, especially if you love bass.
I read that as: "the ATM-M50 is the most well balanced headphone I have heard for [sic] the price range, especially if you love headphones that emphasize bass."
Of course headphones that emphasize bass (treble or mids) are not well balanced. They may be what you like, but that's something entirely different.post #23 of 546/15/12 at 3:01pm
V-MODA headphones and "feeling cheap" do not go in the same sentence. I understand that's your opinion on the way they sound (and I personally find the M-80s more balanced across the frequency than the M50s - nope, not a fangirl - I own both and like both), but if you've ever held a V-MODA headphone in your hands, I just can't understand how someone can say they feel cheap. It's practically all-metal, built like a tank and there are videos proving how durable the materials are. Beats are cheap and can be snapped in half easily. I imagine one would have a very tough time trying to break/dismantle a V-MODA headphone. Just not gonna happen.post #24 of 546/15/12 at 3:13pmpost #25 of 546/15/12 at 3:48pm
I think Bleether confused V-MODA with Beats by Dre. I don't even understand his comments. Not liking a headphone is one thing, but saying a quality product like a V-MODA headphone "seriously suck[s]" only makes sense to me if it's a severe case of mistaken identity.post #26 of 546/15/12 at 5:06pmQuote:
Nope, Val (CEO owner of V-moda) personally demoed his M-80 the proto type m-100 and his proto type VAMP for me. Good guy, we chatted about his products, and i personally told him i wasn't impressed with the headphones and the VAMP.
I actually purchased a set of the M-80's at radio shack after the meet to test them out a little bit more. I used them for ~40 hours before i returned them for my money back.
About the Beats by Dre... I have tried the solo's. Yes they are horrible head phones, and i couldnt help but think about the similarities between the solos and the M-80's. The Beat Pro's are actually not that bad if they were around $150 bucks. I would never buy a pair because i would be ashamed of wearing over priced head phones.post #27 of 546/15/12 at 5:27pmQuote:
Say what??post #28 of 546/15/12 at 5:42pmpost #29 of 546/15/12 at 7:25pmThread Starter
Okay well it seems like bleether is the only one going against the v modas. i've already returned the m50 and plan to buy the lp2's + amp. i know i should have used an amp with the m50's but i felt that i should just be able to choose a headphone for its plain sound. i dont know the improvements the lp2's will have with an amp but im sure there should be a difference and i will read of it.
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