Senn HD650 or HD600? - Page 3

I would go with the HD650. 

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Originally Posted by steve2151 

The HD 800 and the HD 600 have fairly different sound signatures. I feel that the HD 800 sounds like a cross between the K701 and DT880 with cleaner treble and better bass response. It's definitely technically superior to every other Sennheiser headphone, but it is undoubtedly leaner and brighter than the HD 600 if being run out of the same chain. 

 

On the other hand, my HE-6 sounds like someone took my HD 580, slightly improved the details and cleaned up all of the grain. They carry about the same weight to the music and I can see why one would be considered a direct upgrade to the other. 

I totally agree with you on the HE-6. It just sounds so much cleaner.

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Originally Posted by wolfetan44 

Im going for amplification after. i hear the HD650 pairs with the E11 not too bad. So then in a year after buying i will get a Schiit Valhalla and a HRT MusicStreamer II+

I would stay away from the MS II+. I owned it for about a month and sold it. It was decent...meh.  But the bifrost is the perfect complement for the Schitt amp and you will certainly appreciate the difference in the dac, although your wallet might not. 

HD650 because it has better bass and that a major caveat with most headphones. Still I would have hoped HD650 had even deeper bass so for me no HD600 love... Also HD650 is an improved HD600, try to dig in the history of its release you will understand why it's a better phone.
 

X2 on the HD-650's. And amped with a warm-ish amp like the TTVJ Slim, it is so smooth and fun!

I owned the HD650 for about 9 months and can tell you that it is a superb headphone. If I had to start over again however, I know I would choose the HD600. It does absolutely nothing wrong. To me, it is a no-brainer at the current selling prices.

Yo,

I would also chalk a vote in for the HD600. I'd say it's the HD650's big brother. As everyone knows, I loathe the HD650's mush sound so I won't even got here.

With proper amping I think the HD600 delivers roughly 90% of the same sound as the HD650. The HD650 can be too smooth and can roll the treble too much. The HD600 is a smooth headphone but is brighter than the HD650, so it won't sound rolled as much. It's also not as warm but that's a good thing as details stand out more plus the mids won't get congested. They have less midbass than the HD650 but that also makes the bass tighter and controlled. To me the HD650 had too much midbass and it sounded muddy and ill defined, but with the HD600 it's tight and controlled.

Now the HD650 is technically superior by a tiny bit but I think the HD600 scales more. Because it's a lot more neutral you can pair it with a wide range of gear and amps. The HD650 is more picky with it's amps as a very warm amp can make them sound like, well, poo. The HD650 needs a brighter and slightly leaner amp to perform to it's best. The HD600 can be paired with both neutral and warm amps and still have excellent results.

It is the Swiss army knife of headphones after all!

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Originally Posted by juantendo8 

I owned the HD650 for about 9 months and can tell you that it is a superb headphone. If I had to start over again however, I know I would choose the HD600. It does absolutely nothing wrong. To me, it is a no-brainer at the current selling prices.

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Originally Posted by Zombie_X 

Yo,

 

I would also chalk a vote in for the HD600. I'd say it's the HD650's big brother. As everyone knows, I loathe the HD650's mush sound so I won't even got here.

 

With proper amping I think the HD600 delivers roughly 90% of the same sound as the HD650. The HD650 can be too smooth and can roll the treble too much. The HD600 is a smooth headphone but is brighter than the HD650, so it won't sound rolled as much. It's also not as warm but that's a good thing as details stand out more plus the mids won't get congested. They have less midbass than the HD650 but that also makes the bass tighter and controlled. To me the HD650 had too much midbass and it sounded muddy and ill defined, but with the HD600 it's tight and controlled.

 

Now the HD650 is technically superior by a tiny bit but I think the HD600 scales more. Because it's a lot more neutral you can pair it with a wide range of gear and amps. The HD650 is more picky with it's amps as a very warm amp can make them sound like, well, poo. The HD650 needs a brighter and slightly leaner amp to perform to it's best. The HD600 can be paired with both neutral and warm amps and still have excellent results.

 

It is the Swiss army knife of headphones after all!

 

One man's poison is another man's candy I guess. The reasons you dislike the 650's are the reasons I like them. Very smooth, rolled treble, warm sound (especially with the amp I use!) and picky about amps. To the OP - let your ears decide, and don't get too hung up on specs or even opinions of fellow head-fier's. It always comes down to what *you* personally like. And usually, it takes some time and money to try a lot of gear until you see what you like the best. Have fun!

The only thing I don't absolutely love about my 600s is their lack of powerful bass. Don't get me wrong, the bass is very controlled and accurate and quite enjoyable, but just doesn't have enough presence for some genres IMO.

@Zombie_X (or others) do you have any good recommendations on amps for the 600 that might help give its low end a little more oomph ?

Hi,

Before I answer that, if there an amount you're willing to spend? I want to know before I toss a number out there.

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Originally Posted by devhen 

The only thing I don't absolutely love about my 600s is their lack of powerful bass. Don't get me wrong, the bass is very controlled and accurate and quite enjoyable, but just doesn't have enough presence for some genres IMO.

 

@Zombie_X (or others) do you have any good recommendations on amps for the 600 that might help give its low end a little more oomph ?

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Originally Posted by devhen 

The only thing I don't absolutely love about my 600s is their lack of powerful bass. Don't get me wrong, the bass is very controlled and accurate and quite enjoyable, but just doesn't have enough presence for some genres IMO.

 

@Zombie_X (or others) do you have any good recommendations on amps for the 600 that might help give its low end a little more oomph ?

HD650 is always a solution. Just sell your HD600's in the forums.

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Originally Posted by Katun 

 

HD650 is always a solution. Just sell your HD600's in the forums.

I've been considering this. But I won't be selling the 600s. They're just too awesome. Maybe I could convince myself to give them to one of my brothers. But most likely I would just keep both.

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Originally Posted by Zombie_X 

Hi,

 

Before I answer that, if there an amount you're willing to spend? I want to know before I toss a number out there.

 

Hmm, good question. If I felt like it was really worth the money I could probably spend up to $1k without having to have internal arguments with myself over it. And if I spent that much on an amp I would want it to be something that would also pair well with my 770/Premium/600 as well as possible future cans. I'd prefer to pay around $300-$500, if possible. $500-$1k if I feel like I'm getting something great that will fend off my upgrade itch for a few years. I've looked at the Violectric V200/V181/V100. Any thoughts on those?

Thanks for the time/thoughts/expertise I really appreciate it!

-Devin

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Originally Posted by devhen 

I've been considering this. But I won't be selling the 600s. They're just too awesome. Maybe I could convince myself to give them to one of my brothers. But most likely I would just keep both.

I've owned both at the same time on two separate occasions and personally think there is no reason to have both. But that would be something you'd have to decide for yourself.

Hi,

If you're willing to spend $1k then the V200 might be a viable option. It will smooth out the sound and add more mids and bass. It also does very well with all the 600Ohm beyers, especially the DT770. Also it's $1k.

Another option from Violectric is the V90 which is $579. It may look like a tiny amp but it's quite powerful and can drive mostly anything short of some orthos and the K1000. It will do both your DT770 and HD600 plenty of justice. It has a similar tone to the V200 but is more neutral.

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Originally Posted by devhen 

 

Hmm, good question. If I felt like it was really worth the money I could probably spend up to $1k without having to have internal arguments with myself over it. And if I spent that much on an amp I would want it to be something that would also pair well with my 770/Premium/600 as well as possible future cans. I'd prefer to pay around $300-$500, if possible. $500-$1k if I feel like I'm getting something great that will fend off my upgrade itch for a few years. I've looked at the Violectric V200/V181/V100. Any thoughts on those?

 

Thanks for the time/thoughts/expertise I really appreciate it!

 

-Devin

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Originally Posted by Zombie_X 

Hi,

 

If you're willing to spend $1k then the V200 might be a viable option. It will smooth out the sound and add more mids and bass. It also does very well with all the 600Ohm beyers, especially the DT770. Also it's $1k.

 

Another option from Violectric is the V90 which is $579. It may look like a tiny amp but it's quite powerful and can drive mostly anything short of some orthos and the K1000. It will do both your DT770 and HD600 plenty of justice. It has a similar tone to the V200 but is more neutral.

 

Thanks! So if you were in my position, with the 600s and 770s and looking for a proper amp under $1k... what would you go with? One of the Violectrics or is there something else you would prefer? Possibly a tube amp?