Senn HD650 or HD600? - Page 2

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Originally Posted by MalVeauX 

 

Heya,

 

I would put you on a Hifiman HE-400 with very little amping required. I enjoy it more than the HD600/HD650.

 

Very best,

Same here.  A tube/ss hybrid amp with them is pure liquid sounding.

The HE-400 however isn't that neutral in comparison to the HD-600, it's more geared to pop and rock music. But is much more fun and easier to amp. 

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Originally Posted by 054k4 

The HE-400 however isn't that neutral in comparison to the HD-600, it's more geared to pop and rock music. But is much more fun and easier to amp. 

If you invest on a nice headamp it benefits greatly though. Probably better than the HD-600/650 phones. 

HD650 are very picky to the gear you use with them while HE-400 isn't but you need to be aware that HE-400 much more havier than HD650. +1 on E11 not enough for HD650

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Originally Posted by wolfetan44 

Im going for amplification after. i hear the HD650 pairs with the E11 not too bad. So then in a year after buying i will get a Schiit Valhalla and a HRT MusicStreamer II+

I have the Music Streamer II+ and I love it.  Can't say about the Valhalla.  I have the HD650s.  It's the only mid-fi phone I've had any time with.

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Originally Posted by olegausany 

+1 on E11 not enough for HD650

Portable amps don't deliver enough juice indeed. 

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Originally Posted by olegausany 

HD650 are very picky to the gear you use with them while HE-400 isn't but you need to be aware that HE-400 much more havier than HD650. +1 on E11 not enough for HD650

The HD650s are picky regarding amps?  I'm running mine with an E9.  Audiophile fail (mine).

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Originally Posted by disastermouse 

 

The HD650s are picky regarding amps?  I'm running mine with an E9.  Audiophile fail (mine).

I meant they are picky if you want to hear deep high quality bass usually best noticeable with classical or jazz. As i already said in several different threads I heard my currently for sale pair of HD650 with 5 different amps at the recent NYC meet and only with Maverick Audio TubeMagic D1 i heard bass I was looking for while others, such as Burson 160D ant multi thousands dollar 2pcs. Woo Audio amp for example, failed to do it. I even had 2 different members listened to my HD650 (that's what are meets for right?) with same Burson amp and at first they said they can't understand why I'm complaining since they sounded OK for them but when i suggested to try D7000 and come back they did it and came back to say that i was right and now they understand what i was talking about

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Originally Posted by olegausany 

I meant they are picky if you want to hear deep high quality bass usually best noticeable with classical or jazz. As i already said in several different threads I heard my currently for sale pair of HD650 with 5 different amps at the recent NYC meet and only with Maverick Audio TubeMagic D1 i heard bass I was looking for while others, such as Burson 160D ant multi thousands dollar 2pcs. Woo Audio amp for example, failed to do it. I even had 2 different members listened to my HD650 (that's what are meets for right?) with same Burson amp and at first they said they can't understand why I'm complaining since they sounded OK for them but when i suggested to try D7000 and come back they did it and came back to say that i was right and now they understand what i was talking about

Oh, I got ya - you mean they need to be amped properly for the sound you wanted.  I can see how the HD650 tends to get somewhat sloppy low end...maybe.  Or are you talking about extention?

HD650 is not neutral, it has dark signature with impressive bass.

I don't have HD600, but I own both HD650 and HD800. I still really enjoy my HD650 and keep it in my collection.

With a proper amp, HD650 will deliver great sound with $500 budget in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by levtbinh 

HD650 is not neutral, it has dark signature with impressive bass.

 

I don't have HD600, but I own both HD650 and HD800. I still really enjoy my HD650 and keep it in my collection.

With a proper amp, HD650 will deliver great sound with $500 budget in my opinion.

Yes you could but it's a big hustle since  you have to try  many different ones before you finally get the right one

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Originally Posted by disastermouse 

 

Oh, I got ya - you mean they need to be amped properly for the sound you wanted.  I can see how the HD650 tends to get somewhat sloppy low end...maybe.  Or are you talking about extention?

I think both

Had them both multiple times and I prefer the HD600. I do still like the HD650 though.

Got the HD600 right now, running off the Asgard/Valhalla. Very nice headphone.

I would also think a HE400 or HE500 would be a better bet and perhaps leaning towards the HE400 that does not have such heavy amping requirements. I really enjoy the HD580s, but the HE500 is just so much better in every respect! The graininess becomes very apparent on the HD580 after you have listened to the HE-500s.

But to answer your question directly I reckon the HD650 would scale better with proper amping. I have the HD580 (predecessor of the HD600) and to my ears it doesn't change that much between my lower end and mid-range amps. Most of the feedback I have read here and on the net elsewhere is that the HD650 could rival some really high-end headphones when paired with some serious amplification.

I had them both too. Preferred the 650. Piano had weight. On the 600 it was slightly too thin. I can't even imagine how thin the hd800 must be :)

I've also had them both, 600 is far more neutral, but I enjoyed the 650 much more.

I would also throw in LFF's Paradox for a recommendation for a neutral headphone. Though it's a closed can it might not be your cup of tea.