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Drew from moon audio does a recable of them with his blue dragon cables. He posted a picture on facebook of them. I contacted him and he gave me a price but I don't have the scratch right now

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post #107 of 284

Carve "Paradox" to the headphones would be cool IMO

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Carve "Paradox" to the headphones would be cool IMO


Like I said....I have some ideas...wink_face.gif

post #109 of 284
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Like I said....I have some ideas...wink_face.gif

 

Can't wait!

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My mods were done over a multi stage process involving measuring with ARTA for spectral decay, frequency response, linear and non linear distortion. The drivers were also measured independently on a baffle, in the stock cups, modded earcups, three sets of custom earcups, on a baffle as a dipole and on a baffle with various back enclosures. The drivers are nothing special. PERIOD - The creative live with the bio driver measure better and sound better at 60 bucks without "mods" - I design and build custom one of a kind high efficiency speakers for people that will pay me for my experience, quality and ears. No DSP (paradox) is going to make an eagle out of a chicken.

 

You have a lot to learn about orthos.  Damping does change the response of the driver in speed, decay characteristics, FR, detail retrieval, etc.  You probably did some crap mods I don't care what people pay you, there's all kinds of people that make a lot of money in audio and it says very little about their experience.  I love how you use black and white terms like "PERIOD" and yet a lot of what you're saying is clearly not true. 


Edited by rhythmdevils - 8/3/12 at 4:52pm
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You have a lot to learn about orthos.  Damping does change the response of the driver in speed, decay characteristics, FR, detail retrieval, etc.  You probably did some crap mods I don't care what people pay you, there's all kinds of people that make a lot of money in audio and it says very little about their experience.  I love how you use black and white terms like "PERIOD" and yet a lot of what you're saying is clearly not true. 


Obvious troll is obvious. The CAL!/Denon D1001 is decent enough for what it costs, but that's it. The idea that it sounds better than the Paradox is beyond laughable, 

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Obvious troll is obvious.

 

 

I'd have thought that was obvious.  biggrin.gif

post #113 of 284
Interesting discussion. But, so far only about 4 posts (out of 112) that compare Paradoxes to other cans. Would anyone who's heared Paradoxes and also $500+ headphones let us know if they consider the Paradoxes on par with those other good cans?
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Interesting discussion. But, so far only about 4 posts (out of 112) that compare Paradoxes to other cans. Would anyone who's heared Paradoxes and also $500+ headphones let us know if they consider the Paradoxes on par with those other good cans?

You should firstly know that not many people have the Paradox. LFF never promoted his mods.

Now recently he's become a MOT. So, Paradox impressions should become more widespread.


Edited by paradoxper - 8/9/12 at 3:25pm
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Interesting discussion. But, so far only about 4 posts (out of 112) that compare Paradoxes to other cans. Would anyone who's heared Paradoxes and also $500+ headphones let us know if they consider the Paradoxes on par with those other good cans?

 

Which "CANS" are you looking for a compressions on?

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I'll chime in when I get mine smily_headphones1.gif
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preproman, looks like you're the one I need to hear from... I've loved my HD 650's for years, but I hear what people mean when they call them "veiled". I've been curious to hear what "neutral" or "clear" 'phones sound like. Cruising around the forums, I hear people say a modded T50RP can sound better than LCD-2's, and others say they can sound nearly as good as 650's. That's a pretty big difference. SoI'd like to know what to expect. How do you compare your Paradoxes to your 650's, and your LCD-2's (or 800's)? For that matter, how do they compare to the other Fostix mods in your collection? Ultimately I'm wondering if the Paradox is going to really give me a different listening experience. And of course I'm wondering if these are a great value, or are they priced appropriately for the way they sound... If you've already posted impressions, feel free to just direct me there. Thanks!


Edited by ab_ba - 8/9/12 at 7:36pm
post #118 of 284

I enjoyed the HD650's sound a lot.. it's unique.. and obviously not neutral.. but I tend to judge phones for their individuality and cohesiveness more than how they perform relative to other phones.  As far as the HD650 veil, it became more apparent with lower quality sources & amps.  Driving the HD650 with more able & carefully matched source gear & amps, the veil really wasn't a factor.  There is no 'veil' to speak of with the Paradox.  In fact, it's the most 'anti-veil' phone I've ever heard.. haha.  While I can appreciate the HD650's sound on it own terms, I enjoyed the Paradox much more.  Not just for it's more neutral signature (a personal preference), but for it's technical abilities as well.

 

The HD650 is noticeably more forgiving than the Paradox.  LFF tuned the Paradox for neutrality & for it to stand up to the rigors of mastering work.  It will reveal the shortcomings of poorly recorded music with incredible ease.  Feed it well recorded music, drive it well, and you'll hear just why I (and other Paradox owners) praise it at every given opportunity.  There's virtually no coloration so the sound you hear is remarkably faithful to the original recording.  It's highly transparent quality offers the ability hear 'deep' into recordings, sources, and amps.  I've heard many phones which boast excellent transparency, speed, and instrument separation.. but there's a certain effortlessness & cohesion with which the Paradox pulls all that off that separates it from most everything else I've heard.  Also notable is the soundstage: both the width & depth is fantastic.. you'll be quite surprised to hear such a spacious sound coming from a closed phone.  Imaging, too, was extremely impressive in its accuracy.

 

The LCD-2 was a very enjoyable phone for me as well.. again, it's not the most neutral. nor does it aim to be.. but it certainly provides a unique flavor that's executed with precision and cohesion.  After a fairly extended period of A/Bing, I preferred the Paradox to the LCD-2 r.1 as well.  I kept coming back to it's addictive clarity, neutrality, and ability to simply 'get out of the way' and leave me with just the music.

 

This brings me to the HE-500.  It has long been one of my favorite headphones.  It's delicate, natural coloration makes it a lot of fun to listen to.  While impressively linear through the bass region all the way up through the midrange, I find this area a little too forward/aggressive at times.  The HE-500 puts you a few rows closer to the stage while the Paradox positions you seemingly at a perfect distance.  Not too far to where everything sounds distant.. but not so close as to fatigue your ears.  I recently converted the HE-500's stock, silver cable to banana plugs so I can drive it from a speaker amp (and feed it oodles of current in the process).  It did a lot to neutralize the overall sound, as well as bring excellent control and clarity.. but, I still find myself drawn to the Paradox more often.  The HE-500 is more dynamic (thank in part to the larger driver/magnet structure), but the Paradox has a smoother, more natural, inviting sound to my ears.  It's neutrality is wholly relaxing and engaging at the same time.  Some might equate neutrality with 'boring, sterile, clinical, or uninvolving.'  All I have to say to those people is.. you obviously haven't heard the Paradox!  It's a little difficult to explain what a phone that, essentially, sounds like 'nothing'.. one that aims to present the music with utmost honesty.. 'sounds' like.  What you're left with is supreme clarity, tonal accuracy, and resolving ability that's seemingly only limited by your source component quality.

 

tl;dr?  I preferred the Paradox' sound & technicalities over that of the HD650, LCD-2r1, and HE-500.  The HE-500 offers a very nice sound that complements the Paradox quite well, to my ears.. and that's part of the reason why I still own them.

 

Setting aside the controversy surrounding the gear, I highly recommend pairing the Paradox with the Objective 2 amp (and ODAC).  LFF tuned the Paradox with the Objective2.. and when I heard the combo for the first time, I was utterly floored.  There's an uncanny synergy at play here that is sure to wow.  I'm sure there are better amps & DACs to throw at the Paradox, but for those on a budget, I can't recommend this combo enough.. as the creator himself used it to perfect the Paradox.

 

I hope that helps you with gaining some perspective on the Paradox.  I'm obviously a big fan & there's quite a few other, well respected listeners here that can provide additional thoughts.  I'm actually in the process of writing/finishing a review of the Paradox.  I've been obsessing over getting the review right so it's taken a lot longer than originally expected.  I've lent it out to some studio buddies and musicians who had nothing but praise for it (so much so that I had a hard time getting it back .. haha).  It's pretty well road tested, in my eyes, and passed with flying colors.

 

PS.  Did I mention they're ridiculously comfortable?  Suspension headband FTW!


Edited by FlySweep - 8/10/12 at 3:10am
post #119 of 284

People who like absolutely neutrality from their music would definitely like the Paradoxes. What got me thinking is, the stock LCD2 drivers are superior over the stock T50RP drivers. If someone is willing to dive in and modify (or maybe LFF) the LCD2 drivers the way the T50RP's are modded around these boards, it might sound like a poor man's SR-007 MK1/2? It will be an expensive modding hobby, but heck it's worth a try?

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preproman, looks like you're the one I need to hear from... I've loved my HD 650's for years, but I hear what people mean when they call them "veiled". I've been curious to hear what "neutral" or "clear" 'phones sound like. Cruising around the forums, I hear people say a modded T50RP can sound better than LCD-2's, and others say they can sound nearly as good as 650's. That's a pretty big difference. SoI'd like to know what to expect. How do you compare your Paradoxes to your 650's, and your LCD-2's (or 800's)? For that matter, how do they compare to the other Fostix mods in your collection? Ultimately I'm wondering if the Paradox is going to really give me a different listening experience. And of course I'm wondering if these are a great value, or are they priced appropriately for the way they sound... If you've already posted impressions, feel free to just direct me there. Thanks!

 

 

I will be sure to give you some fair impressions.  As of right now all of my modded T50s are out for a tune up "so to speak"  When I get them back I will do a comparrison on the BHA-1 and the B22.  This is going to be fun.

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