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post #946 of 1171
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Originally Posted by muzic4life View Post

MY DAY 3 of BURSON SOLOIST:

 

The main reason i bought Burson Soloist Desktop is because i want to get a desktop sound quality. My first desktop amp was GS Solo SRGii and I love the sound..but only until i got numbers of portable amps and i think some of them the sound quality are above the SRGii which then i decided to sell. I am hoping the Burson Soloist is able to give me a different sound quality from my portables, but i guess, i realized that portable nowadays is definitely challenge the sound quality of a desktop amp.

 

Yesterday night i was still in my curiosity to find what Soloist can do better to me. So i compared The Soloist once again using the same setup rival (HP-P1 duet with Glacier) and also i used a new rival HP-P1 + RSA Intruder. I know..it sound stupid to compare portable VS desktop, but trust me...these portable amps are darn good enough, for only just driving HD650.

 

Here's some thoughts i have after doing the test: (i used HP-P1 as DAC and HD6500 was the headphone using Double Helix Copper wire)

 

  • These 3 combinations are pretty good driving (with ease) HD650. Over all sound is good, clean, transparent, good music separation, and the impact is very present. I will rate power wise they are all the same and almost on par, even though i feel like Soloist might be more capable to create a bit bigger, better impact and better ambiance in sound but i also really hard to tell. 
  • Still, i think the combination of HP-P1 + Apex Glacier has really stolen my heart. The MIDS presentation of the Glacier is really something to consider for all HD650's lovers. This is the only one amp that can makes me engaged with the music using HD650. Glacier's mids-forward presentation with a very good clean-textured plus a bit of tubey flavour is really catch my attention during my second test. Still this is the best. Please note, the other two are also good, but i still prefer Glacier on this respect.
  • I think that Soloist might have more meaty presentation from those two. This maybe due to a desktop factor. But i am not sure. And the more i listen to Soloist, the more i feel the oomph energy is really there. This character that i really love from my Soloist. I promise my self i will dig ever further experience to make my Soloist really show their muscle and roar. hopefully i can...
  • The sound stage i may say Soloist is a winner compared to my Glacier. Nothing wrong with the Glacier, but i think Soloist is better in this sector. But switching to RSA Intruder, that's a different story. The RSA Intruder is one of my portable amp that can make me impressed with the sound stage. The sound from Intruder is amazing in term of depth and width. I feel like the sound from my HD650 is more spacious using the Intruder. So in this case, i will rate the Intruder and Soloist are equal in term of sound stage.
  • For the highs, i think they are on par. These three combination is very neutral on the highs. Well, they are not exactly the same but I never felt like having any sibilant or harsh during my test using variety of genres. But in term of musicality, i will rate RSA Intruder on the top.
  • Sound detailing is very good on these three. I never had any difficulty picking up any detail instrument whatsoever. Very nice. And somehow, i would say Soloist is a truly amazing Solid State desktop amp with a very clean sounding and free from a background noise. Listening to a slow jazz song or acoustic instrumental song is really something. I felt so relax during that time. Very nice. But when it comes to the clarity level, sorry to say that both rivals have their edge. The clarity on the Glacier and RSA Intruder is really excellent. i really able to notice the music layering quite clear. The Soloist is good, but i suspect the greater low impact of the soloist is affecting its clarity level. I am not saying the bass on the Soloist is exaggerated nor over bloated. It is clean and tight. but somehow i feel like the bass impact make it less-textured sounding. But i am not quite sure. I just felt that way....Then again, Glacier is the only one that can make me hooked to the music with passion and emotion.
  • For the bass, these 3 amp have a very good bass. However...in term of impact, Soloist is the winner. BUT...somehow i feel like the bass on the soloist sometimes is a bit un-controlled. It goes deep. Really deep with powerful impact and that makes think it might touch the middle range barrier. The RSA Intruder and Glacier i think is the winner in term of bass texture with a perfect impact & amount to deliver. So that makes it quite enjoyable to listen.

 

This where my love starting to grow on the Soloist.......

 

Until midnight, when i felt so sleepy, came to mind to use silver cable on my HD650. The silver cable i used is Toxic cable. And the result is.....i was so happy and excited !! This might be the sound i have been looking for from my Soloist. The bass is even tighter and now very well controlled. I did not feel any over impact anymore. Is just right on spot. Thou the impact is still there, but this time with a very well textured. And the most important, the mids now becoming a bit more appealing yet very crisp and clean. Yeaaah !!! It is so darn musical and so lively. everything is different (during a regular listening may not be that different, but when u focusing to the music like crazy you will understand what i am saying biggrin.gif). The texture and sound layering is so revealing now and i am impressed. I listened only for a short time. I still can not judge using Silver cable will surpass the other rivals. But for now, i am quite happy with it. I will give some more time listening and see how. I am so exciting now.biggrin.gif

 

I am still waiting my Centrance Dacmini CX to be paired with Soloist. I really hope the sound will be improved. And now i am on the fence too, of choosing 1 more full size headphone for my Soloist. Whether T1, HD800 or ATH300anv. I feel like HD800 will be more to my liking but my heart keep telling me to get the T1. So i am not sure, sad for me...as i can not audition them from where i live.

 

I can say that I'm very happy with my Soloist/HD800 combo.  I haven't heard the glacier so I suppose I can't judge it but I would suspect the HD650 is probably the limiting factor in judging the difference between the two.  I also feel the the Soloist/HD800 combo is very transparent to source as I can notice the subtle differences between the Concero's different filter settings and other tweaks such as fidelizer.  That being said, YMMW with different DACs and such.  I've been quite surprised at what the Soloist/HD800 combo has pulled out of the little Concero.

post #947 of 1171
Thanks for the impressions muzic4life. Regarding the bass control and overall detail, I notice a similar effect with lcd-2s. The bass is a tad bit bloomy and impacts the mid and treble details. Doing a quick SW EQ to subdue the bass improves things. However, this also lessens the bass impact and dynamic range so I'm hoping to find a HW fix. Another issue with the lcd-2 I'm trying to cure is that it can have a honky sounding (mid-range) signature on some tracks.

I'm waiting for my wadia 121 to return from being serviced and have been using my older CIAudio VDA-2 dac instead. I'm hoping that the wadia will give a bit leaner and more analytical sound than the vda-2 when paired with the soloist. I think the next step is a toxic silver cable but my oh my, the wait time... Out of curiosity, which one are you using with your 650s?
Edited by mojolo - 5/27/13 at 8:36am
post #948 of 1171
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Originally Posted by JWahl View Post

I would suspect the HD650 is probably the limiting factor in judging the difference between the two. 

 

I think i am agree with you JWahl. I am starting to think that Soloist might capable performing better with a higher-end cans (and better DAC too). I am now in dilemma between HD800, T1 and ATH W3000anv. Still yet decided. I really want to pull the trigger on LCD2, because i guess that's the only choice if i want to upgrade with a similar sound to HD650 but better. The only my big concern with LCD2 is the comfort (weight and clamping force). For me comfort is important.

 

 

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Originally Posted by mojolo View Post

Thanks for the impressions muzic4life. Regarding the bass control and overall detail, I notice a similar effect with lcd-2s. The bass is a tad bit bloomy and impacts the mid and treble details. Doing a quick SW EQ to subdue the bass improves things. However, this also lessens the bass impact and dynamic range so I'm hoping to find a HW fix. Another issue with the lcd-2 I'm trying to cure is that it can have a honky sounding (mid-range) signature on some tracks.

I'm waiting for my wadia 121 to return from being serviced and have been using my older CIAudio VDA-2 dac instead. I'm hoping that the wadia will give a bit leaner and more analytical sound than the vda-2 when paired with the soloist. I think the next step is a toxic silver cable but my oh my, the wait time... Out of curiosity, which one are you using with your 650s?

 

Yes. i did the same thing during my test. When i used my Double Helix Copper wire on my HD650..i also prefer EQ-ing a bit. (lower the bass down and the treble up, by just a bit). By EQ-ing, i feel like more or less is effecting the sound, is not really noticeable but i believe the music ambience is being different, is less authentic my i say, so i don't like using EQ basically. But using Silver cable, i don't need to use the EQ, the sound is good already. I can say HD650 is very good with silver cable. The Silver cable i am using is Toxic Cable 24awg. One of my friend is a cable maker. I believe he imported various brand of raw cable from overseas, he got the Jena and Double Helix cable too. So my cable was DIY by him.

 

I think up to this moment is too early for me to judge the burson's house sound. I still positively confident that Soloist can scale better than my portables. I will work it out how. After i received my dacmini, i will make comparison again. Let see if i can get 1 more top tier headphone as well very soon, and that's gonna be a very exciting experiment. And btw..i leave my portable aside at this moment, i intentionally listen music only using my Soloist at this moment until my ears and my brain fully seasoned with burson's house sound and then let see how when i grab back my portables.

post #949 of 1171

So,

the Soloist is 4w into 16ohms. So, Vrms = 11.3137

He-5Le is 38ohms, so Pavg = (11.3137^2)/(2*38)

So into the 5-Le, the power is 1.684 watts. Lower than the 2w recomended by HiFiMAN

 

Is this possibly causing lack of separation? Or is this just because my cans aren't good enough for me :/ lol

 

I'm starting to think that the soloist is much better than I am giving it credit for being, because my cans just aren't what I think they are.

post #950 of 1171
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Originally Posted by muzic4life View Post

 

I think i am agree with you JWahl. I am starting to think that Soloist might capable performing better with a higher-end cans (and better DAC too). 

 

True. 

The Dacport (normal version, not LX) i felt it was a bottleneck when i first got my Soloist. Things should improve once you have the Dacmini or a better Dac. 

 

I left the Dacport for the notebook use mainly. 

 

Wondering, how much hours of burn-in your unit have? 

 

 

@Dutch, the Soloist does a nice job with the HE-5/Le. No power issues here. 


Edited by fabio-fi - 5/27/13 at 11:56am
post #951 of 1171
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Originally Posted by fabio-fi View Post

True. 
The Dacport (normal version, not LX) i felt it was a bottleneck when i first got my Soloist. Things should improve once you have the Dacmini or a better Dac. 

I left the Dacport for the notebook use mainly. 


Wondering, how much hours of burn-in your unit have? 


@Dutch, the Soloist does a nice job with the HE-5/Le. No power issues here. 

You think a B22 would be better for me? The gamma2 is a quiet source, could be causing issues.

Should I try a new DAC before selling the soloist?
Edited by DutchGFX - 5/27/13 at 12:01pm
post #952 of 1171
@fabio-fi
I think up to now should be somewhere between 20-25hours been played. Fabio..how many burn in time should i have to be able to notice the different? Thanks.
post #953 of 1171

Wasn't so much burn in as warm up time for me.  Comparing a cold class A amp to a hot one is something to behold.  6moons has a good write up about it with Pass for one of the First Watt amps.  Long story short, treat a class A solid state amp like a tube amp.  Leave it on, or give it a good long time to come up to temp.  Problem is that same heatsink that allows for more bias, also slows the warm up where a tube has the benefit of not being sinked and in many cases actually has heaters inside the case to speed it up.  

post #954 of 1171
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Wasn't so much burn in as warm up time for me.  Comparing a cold class A amp to a hot one is something to behold.  6moons has a good write up about it with Pass for one of the First Watt amps.  Long story short, treat a class A solid state amp like a tube amp.  Leave it on, or give it a good long time to come up to temp.  Problem is that same heatsink that allows for more bias, also slows the warm up where a tube has the benefit of not being sinked and in many cases actually has heaters inside the case to speed it up.  

+1. As a person who bought the Soloist from Solude AND followed his advice on "warming up" the amp, I find a difference (all for the better) in the SQ now. I use a Bifrost DAC and that also helps. While I do not own the HE-6, the Soloist paired with the HE 400/500/LCD 2.2 is just awesome (to my ears).

post #955 of 1171
@solute & kothganes
So is it okay if i just leave my Soloist ON without using it? Is it save enough to the inside components for let say getting hotter in certain level? Thanks.
post #956 of 1171
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Originally Posted by muzic4life View Post

@solute & kothganes
So is it okay if i just leave my Soloist ON without using it? Is it save enough to the inside components for let say getting hotter in certain level? Thanks.
Answering for myself, I do not leave it on now. I do use it for 2-3 hours at a stretch and I don't see the need to go through war ups.
post #957 of 1171
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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post

Answering for myself, I do not leave it on now. I do use it for 2-3 hours at a stretch and I don't see the need to go through war ups.
Edit : I meant warm ups.
post #958 of 1171
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Originally Posted by muzic4life View Post

@solute & kothganes
So is it okay if i just leave my Soloist ON without using it? Is it save enough to the inside components for let say getting hotter in certain level? Thanks.

 

I never turn off my gear.  Even tube gear.  Besides the sonic benefit, it's just plain safer to not go through heat cycling and power inrush.  For something like the Soloist it's also perfectly fine from a quality of life stand point.  The FirstWatt I had though... esh that puppy heated up the room :D

post #959 of 1171
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

 

I never turn off my gear.  Even tube gear.  Besides the sonic benefit, it's just plain safer to not go through heat cycling and power inrush.  For something like the Soloist it's also perfectly fine from a quality of life stand point.  The FirstWatt I had though... esh that puppy heated up the room :D

Ah the joy of being in the first world ! Regis, the only reason I don't keep it on is power supply and quality is erratic in India. I have addressed the latter issue with a servo stabilizer but cannot do much about the former.

post #960 of 1171

Helps that it gets cold here too ;)  Like running a secondary heating system in my office =)

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