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post #661 of 1167

Finishing my thought on the First Watt v Burson Soloist comparison...

 

A person who loves one is likely to not love the other.  I'm in a bit of a huh moment at this point since they are wildly different and neither is 'perfect' for the LCD-2.

 

The First Watt F3 has a certain softness to it.  It's character is steady top to bottom and is very fast.  But it's also tight to the point of being passive.  No real drive, just easy listening effortless playback.  Staging wise instruments are larger without that pinpoint laser focus.

 

The Burson Soloist is a 180.  The bottom is full, punchy, quite alive.  The further up you go the more that drive moves towards hard.  Cymbals are laid bare, no sweetening.  Speed is reduced but focus is much higher which makes things stick out more.

 

Overall I prefer the Soloist. That it's usable as the pre to my monitors certainly helps.  That it's quite a bit smaller and kid safe are also pluses.  But I would have preferred that Burson crank up the class A bias to perhaps increase speed and soften the top some.  The case is cold even after days of use so there is clearly enough breathing room for more bias.  Also the output specs are misleading.  Advertising 4W@16ohm unrated while the real usable number is the 1W@30ohm spec has a lot of user and reviewers sadly using it for jobs it's not suited for and walking away underwhelmed.

post #662 of 1167
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

Has anyone used the HE-500 with the Soloist?

 

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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

 

Give me a week :)

 

Same here ! :)

post #663 of 1167
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

The other option is to pop back to Stax land.  Problem with that is... then it's over.  You buy that can and that amp and you are done.  No where to go.

 

I love this!  biggrin.gif    It's as if you're saying, "Getting there isn't half the fun - it's ALL the fun!"   I know what you mean.  Sometimes I think I get more pleasure out of designing, building, tuning, and tweaking a system than actually using it.  And that goes for several areas of interest. 

 

Mike

post #664 of 1167
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The only thing keeping from being ideal for me is the dynamics or aggression.  The Peak and more so the Mjolnir are very aggressive amps.  A lot of people consider the Peak harsh and I found the Mjolnir to have even more swing.

 

On technicals the Soloist has better clarity and resolution than either just not the swing.

 

I just finished my Soloist v First Watt F3 comparison on my new LCD-2 and compared to each other, the Soloist has the bigger swing.  It's also harder sounding overall.

 

I need to get my notes together but all that to say while the Peak delivered ideal dynamics for me with the LCD-3, on the LCD-2 the Soloist is fine if maybe a little too much.

 

Thanks again!  I really appreciate your patience.

post #665 of 1167

Not sure writing off gear in a two week period is the definition of patience ;)

post #666 of 1167
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Not sure writing off gear in a two week period is the definition of patience ;)

 

Haha!  Well, you were patient with all of my questions.  L3000.gif

post #667 of 1167
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I'll stay open-minded, as you are!  I will have a chance to hear Soloist + LCD-3 at the Austin, Texas meet on March 2nd.   

 

Mike

 

Where and when is this taking place in Austin?

post #668 of 1167
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I'll stay open-minded, as you are!  I will have a chance to hear Soloist + LCD-3 at the Austin, Texas meet on March 2nd.   

 

Mike

 

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Where and when is this taking place in Austin?

 

3rd Annual Austin Texas Spring Meet

 

Norris Center, March 2nd (8:00 AM to 5:00 PM)  

 

BYO food and eat it in the parking lot or go out to lunch - no food or drink in the building.  The Center wants you to buy their food at mind-blowing prices:  $11.00 per person for cookies, for example. confused_face.gif

 

At last count, 77 people were signed up and bringing a lot of great gear.  I'll be there with the Soloist, DACmini CX, LCD-2 rev.1, and T1.   Two others are bringing their LCD-3.  Stax gear will be there, as well as some Cavalli amps, a Leben CS300SX, etc.  

 

See the thread for more information:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/633886/3rd-annual-austin-texas-spring-meet-march-2nd-2013

post #669 of 1167

Guys, I have a noob question... confused_face_2.gifbiggrin.gif . I heard someone using hd800 from Vaughan's balanced pre-amp . Is it possible using headphones from Soloists' pre-amp? What power output does Soloist have on pre-amp? I heard about 10W. Wouldn't it be good with a Hifiman HE6 for example? What about other headphones?


Edited by dan.gheorghe - 1/28/13 at 6:44am
post #670 of 1167
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Guys, I have a noob question... biggrin.gif . I heard someone using hd800 from Vaughan's balanced pre-amp . Is it possible using headphones from Soloists' pre-amp? What power output does Soloist have on pre-amp? I heard about 10W. Wouldn't it be good with a Hifiman HE6 for example? What about other headphones?

 

I don't know, but I won't be conducting that experiment with my Soloist. redface.gif 

 

Does your Conductor have pre-amp outs?  biggrin.gif

 

Mike

post #671 of 1167
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I don't know, but I won't be conducting that experiment with my Soloist. redface.gif 

 

Does your Conductor have pre-amp outs?  biggrin.gif

 

Mike

 

It does, and I have just tested them. It really makes a difference with my tehnics speaker system biggrin.gif .

 

I won't be be trying that either(headphones from pre-amp)...but I was curios about it :)) 


Edited by dan.gheorghe - 1/28/13 at 11:04am
post #672 of 1167

You have always been able to run headphone out the back of DACs and preamps.  BUT the output impedance is high and current ability very low.  In the case of the Soloist and Conductor, the current stage is not linked to the back RCAs.  So you have access to the 8Vrms, granted deep THD%, at the rear but very low current.  More suited from 300+ohm cans.

 

In fact even from the headphone jack the Soloist is more suited to high impedance cans than orthos but meh :p  Assuming pure class A... each output device is biased to 45mA, 180mA total.  B22 is 320mA, Mjolnir 400mA.

post #673 of 1167
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

Has anyone used the HE-500 with the Soloist?

 

I own the 5LE but still on the Burn-in process. 

post #674 of 1167
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Originally Posted by fabio-fi View Post

 

I own the 5LE but still on the Burn-in process. 

 

 

O,  This will be an interesting task for the Soloist.

post #675 of 1167

I've just clocked around 200 hrs on my Soloist and It has just reached another level of amazingness.  The music is just effortlessly transmitted through this baby.  Not only is it absolutely dead quiet, the tone and texture of instruments just pop.  Dynamic swings are fast and accurate.  For classical music (currently listening to string quartets) this thing is just killer.  Will it blow your brains out?  I don't know and I haven't tried.  Medium gain around 12 o'clock is more than I ever need with my 300 ohm HD580.  The guys at Burson must voice their amps using classical music, because it is just SO right with the SOloist.  BTW, also more than happy with the V-DAC II/Soloist combo - great synergy going on here.  

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