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Originally Posted by buson160man View Post

 I went on the bryston website and they make no mention of preamp capability on the bha-1 headphone amp.But just the same I emailed bryston to ask if you can use the bha-1 as a preamp.

I hope to get an answer if so I will try to remeber to pass the information on.

Here is the thread for the Bryston. James Tanner is the Bryston representative who participates on Head-Fi. I would ask him any question about the BHA-1. He is very knowledgeable and responsive.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/560499/new-headphone-amplifier-from-bryston/810

post #527 of 1202

Thanks guys!  

 

That's great news - I'll try it.

 

Mike

 

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Originally Posted by fishbone View Post

Hey,

 

Yes, I think you can, I didn't test especially for the Soloist but it is what happen with the HA-160D when you connect to the pre-amp output. So I don't see why it would be any different with the Soloist.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Soloist is a pre-amp.  Pull the TRS, pre-out on, insert, TRS on.  I used it for the LCD-3 and my Dynaudio.

post #528 of 1202
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Originally Posted by Pudu View Post

I am seriously contemplating picking up a conductor ... but it seems like you are likely paying a lot of money for this :

to have to put with popping or jumping through hoops just to adjust your volume. That would bug me no end.

 

Obviously you don't know what a stepped attenuator is wink.gif if you check similar amps like the beta22 it also happens, BUT users deal with it. 

 

the Ds uses an alps pot. 

post #529 of 1202
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Originally Posted by jackwess View Post


Obviously you don't know what a stepped attenuator is wink.gif  if you check similar amps like the beta22 it also happens, BUT users deal with it. 

the Ds uses an alps pot. 

{Luddite}

This is one of those cases when designers have lost sight of the end result.

Don't care about hi-tech, audiophile wizardry if it means I can't adjust the volume on my over-priced amp without wincing.

{/Luddite}
post #530 of 1202

I don't disagree with how you feel Pudu

The volume pot on mine clicks too
It just doesn't bug me that much
I'm living happily with it for now
post #531 of 1202
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Originally Posted by Pudu View Post


{Luddite}
This is one of those cases when designers have lost sight of the end result.
Don't care about hi-tech, audiophile wizardry if it means I can't adjust the volume on my over-priced amp without wincing.
{/Luddite}

I don't think they've lost sight of the end result, which is sound quality, right?  Not, your sensitivity to little clicks in the sound when adjusting the volume.  If it means the sound is more pure with a stepped attenuator, I'll take that.  I can live with little clicks, not compromised sound quality.  The Soloist is IMHO one of the best values out there.  Incredible sound quality, amazing preamp, that sounds better than any amp for under a grand.  

 

However, if you're just into really loud Rock or Punk or just general band music, I would look elsewhere.  Burson is about pure audio signal, transparency, tonality, texture, sound staging, etc...  But it's not about wowing people who want their heads blown off.  If you're into chamber music, string orchestral, even blue grass and jazz, this amp is ridiculously good.  

 

Rockers can get their rocks off with many different amps other than the Soloist.  


Edited by JohannesBrahms - 1/6/13 at 7:55am
post #532 of 1202
Well, I understand the advantages of stepped attenuators. However the argument could be made that " very loud popping noises" equates to compromised sound quality. Little clicks wouldn't bother me, but loud popping ... hmmm

I don't have any experience with this amp though. I'm sure it sounds brilliant and it is on my short short list of next purchases. I know Skylab seems to like it with the W3k's, which is what I want it for (plus D7Ks). I'm looking for something with a near silent background with the AT's yet still very dynamic.
post #533 of 1202
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Originally Posted by Pudu View Post

Well, I understand the advantages of stepped attenuators. However the argument could be made that " very loud popping noises" equates to compromised sound quality. Little clicks wouldn't bother me, but loud popping ... hmmm
I don't have any experience with this amp though. I'm sure it sounds brilliant and it is on my short short list of next purchases. I know Skylab seems to like it with the W3k's, which is what I want it for (plus D7Ks). I'm looking for something with a near silent background with the AT's yet still very dynamic.

I have the Soloist, and it doesn't make "very loud popping noises" when changing volume.  However, it does make very quiet clicks, which are totally normal attribute of stepped attenuators.  Maybe if you turn up the volume super loud, the clicks might get louder...I dunno.  In any case, it is such a minor thing.  Speaking of silent background, this thing has the blackest background I've ever heard - using Sennheiser HD580 headphones. Just amazed with this amp so far.  

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My impression of the Soloist to this point.

 

So now that I've had some time with the Soloist I wanted to come back and provide a few more impressions.  For one thing I really don't understand this whole thread going on about the stepped attenuator clicking issue. I find myself changing volume levels infrequently, perhaps once or twice a listening session.  When I do I have yet to even hear any popping or clicking, perhaps I have a better assembled Soloist, or at least one with a more reliably stepped attenuator.  But considering how infrequently I change volume levels even a little clicking wouldn't bother me too much if knowing that was the price to pay for a clean unadulterated sound.  I personally like to listen to both Jazz, Blue Grass, Folk as well as Hard Rock, Punk etc.  I have found this headphone amp to offer me just about everything I may need.  I have only occasionally encountered situations where even at High gain, I have a pair of Hifiman HE-6's I purchased as a Christmas present to myself using my year-end bonus, where I find myself wishing for a bit more volume.  I use to be a lover of stereo sound, running a pair of 200 watt a channel B&W CDM-7SE's with a B&K Reference 7270 7 channel amp into 200 watts a channel, although the power supply is ratted at a max output of 1800 watts across all 7 and even in home theatre use I only have 5 setup so it's never fully taxed.  I can honestly say now that a. my neighbors will no longer have to curse my name, I live in a townhouse complex. and b. I am almost certain that rare will be the day that I break out the speakers and not my HE-6's.  For those days I truly want or need that extra oomph I plan on purchasing an excellent two channel amp solely to drive the HE-6's with, and the Soloist will still be in the chain then as the preamp, less is more in Audio and the ridiculously minimalistic circuitry of this unit lends itself to getting out of the way.  I can't wait for the day I've gotten around to finishing off the basement and can separate out my Audio setup from Home Theatre setup.  I nice pair of monitors, for those days I want to be free of the cans, coupled with a top notch Universal player and the best amp I can afford is all I'll need.  I put in an order for a replacement cable for the HE-6's with Norse Audio, 10' length of their new reference cable "Reign" terminated with 4 pin XLR and one 2' addition with 1/4" jack and one 2' addition terminated with locking bananas, for the day I get that amp. My hope is that these cables help to give just a little extra oomph over the stock cables. All I can say is that I am in love, and if anyone tells my wife I'll deny itcool.gif. I'm burning through my music collection as fast as I can, given only so many hours in the day I can dedicate to listening.  I've listened to so many pieces in my collection that I thought I knew only to find it ain't so.  I can tell a snare drum now, where before it may not have been evident that was the instrument being played.  As a teen I had tried, and failed miserably, to learn to play the snare for the school band and so even today I know this sound intimately.  I recognize it now in recordings that I had previously missed and I believe this speaks to the synergy that the Soloist and the HE-6's have together.  This isn't the only sound I find myself grinning about, top hats are another where I find that the shimmer of a top hat is so much more realistic than I had ever previously experienced.  And talking about the low end, listening to the smack of a drum almost makes me giggle like a school girl.  Why oh why did it take me so long to come back to headphones, I could have been enjoying this sound for so much longer?  I remember being a teen and owning a pair of Koss headphones, back in the 80's, that weren't cheap by any means and they use to bring me so much more joy than my stereo setup did.  Well all I can say is that I'm back and you won't be able to get rid of me, just think that classic Canadian short film "The Cat Came Back"beyersmile.png

 

More impressions to come as my HE-6's get burned in and my new cables arrive.

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There is this key... says Enter on it... helps break up walls of text ;)  Now to make a coffee to get through that :D

post #536 of 1202
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Originally Posted by tread1963 View Post

My impression of the Soloist to this point.

 

So now that I've had some time with the Soloist I wanted to come back and provide a few more impressions.  For one thing I really don't understand this whole thread going on about the stepped attenuator clicking issue. I find myself changing volume levels infrequently, perhaps once or twice a listening session.  When I do I have yet to even hear any popping or clicking, perhaps I have a better assembled Soloist, or at least one with a more reliably stepped attenuator.  But considering how infrequently I change volume levels even a little clicking wouldn't bother me too much if knowing that was the price to pay for a clean unadulterated sound.  I personally like to listen to both Jazz, Blue Grass, Folk as well as Hard Rock, Punk etc.  I have found this headphone amp to offer me just about everything I may need.  I have only occasionally encountered situations where even at High gain, I have a pair of Hifiman HE-6's I purchased as a Christmas present to myself using my year-end bonus, where I find myself wishing for a bit more volume.  I use to be a lover of stereo sound, running a pair of 200 watt a channel B&W CDM-7SE's with a B&K Reference 7270 7 channel amp into 200 watts a channel, although the power supply is ratted at a max output of 1800 watts across all 7 and even in home theatre use I only have 5 setup so it's never fully taxed.  I can honestly say now that a. my neighbors will no longer have to curse my name, I live in a townhouse complex. and b. I am almost certain that rare will be the day that I break out the speakers and not my HE-6's.  For those days I truly want or need that extra oomph I plan on purchasing an excellent two channel amp solely to drive the HE-6's with, and the Soloist will still be in the chain then as the preamp, less is more in Audio and the ridiculously minimalistic circuitry of this unit lends itself to getting out of the way.  I can't wait for the day I've gotten around to finishing off the basement and can separate out my Audio setup from Home Theatre setup.  I nice pair of monitors, for those days I want to be free of the cans, coupled with a top notch Universal player and the best amp I can afford is all I'll need.  I put in an order for a replacement cable for the HE-6's with Norse Audio, 10' length of their new reference cable "Reign" terminated with 4 pin XLR and one 2' addition with 1/4" jack and one 2' addition terminated with locking bananas, for the day I get that amp. My hope is that these cables help to give just a little extra oomph over the stock cables. All I can say is that I am in love, and if anyone tells my wife I'll deny itcool.gif. I'm burning through my music collection as fast as I can, given only so many hours in the day I can dedicate to listening.  I've listened to so many pieces in my collection that I thought I knew only to find it ain't so.  I can tell a snare drum now, where before it may not have been evident that was the instrument being played.  As a teen I had tried, and failed miserably, to learn to play the snare for the school band and so even today I know this sound intimately.  I recognize it now in recordings that I had previously missed and I believe this speaks to the synergy that the Soloist and the HE-6's have together.  This isn't the only sound I find myself grinning about, top hats are another where I find that the shimmer of a top hat is so much more realistic than I had ever previously experienced.  And talking about the low end, listening to the smack of a drum almost makes me giggle like a school girl.  Why oh why did it take me so long to come back to headphones, I could have been enjoying this sound for so much longer?  I remember being a teen and owning a pair of Koss headphones, back in the 80's, that weren't cheap by any means and they use to bring me so much more joy than my stereo setup did.  Well all I can say is that I'm back and you won't be able to get rid of me, just think that classic Canadian short film "The Cat Came Back"beyersmile.png

 

More impressions to come as my HE-6's get burned in and my new cables arrive.

Thanks for the impressions...they definitely affirm the fact that this amp just gets instruments right.  With this amp, instruments in the orchestra are reproduced with the right timbre and tone quality.  Not only that, the instrument separation is incredible...nothing gets lost, even in the most complex of passages.  

 

And yes, I don't know why people are getting stuck on the stepped attenuator non-issue.  

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There is this key... says Enter on it... helps break up walls of text ;)  Now to make a coffee to get through that :D


Jeez you'd think you were getting ready to sit down and read "War and Peace" or god forbid "Finnegans Wake" blink.gif

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Originally Posted by buson160man View Post

 I went on the bryston website and they make no mention of preamp capability on the bha-1 headphone amp.But just the same I emailed bryston to ask if you can use the bha-1 as a preamp.

I hope to get an answer if so I will try to remeber to pass the information on.

 Well I got an email from bryston and the bha-1 does offer a preamp function.That was good to hear but for now it just is not in my plans for the near future.Retirement is nice but you have to watch your budget which makes toys sometimes difficult to justify the expendatures.Audio is tough on the budget,but boy I bet the bryston would make a pretty good preamp for my emotiva airmotiv 5s.

Oh well at least for a while.It is time to start scrimping and just maybe I will be able to take the plunge.

post #539 of 1202
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Originally Posted by buson160man View Post

 Well I got an email from bryston and the bha-1 does offer a preamp function.That was good to hear but for now it just is not in my plans for the near future.Retirement is nice but you have to watch your budget which makes toys sometimes difficult to justify the expendatures.Audio is tough on the budget,but boy I bet the bryston would make a pretty good preamp for my emotiva airmotiv 5s.

Oh well at least for a while.It is time to start scrimping and just maybe I will be able to take the plunge.

I think the bryston's preamp function is only on the new model.  My understanding is the original model didn't have preamp... 

post #540 of 1202
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Originally Posted by rrahman View Post

I think the bryston's preamp function is only on the new model.  My understanding is the original model didn't have preamp... 

 

Any BHA-1 with a serial number > 100 has the preamp.

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