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post #46 of 1167
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Well that was fast... http://6moons.com/audioreviews/burson9/1.html  Review is up!

 

 

Review states more bloom than the 160 - I think this amplifier should be very warm then seeing as I found the 160 already more warm in the midbass than neutral.  I don't want to put words in Srajan's mouth but from the sound of the review he found the EF-6 to be warmer or smoother in the upper midrange and treble which are the frequencies responsible for the perception of "attack" or "leading edge" of transients.  For those who find the HE-6 to be too incisive I'm pretty sure the EF-6 would be a better choice.  For me though I think the HE-6 is essentially smooth in the upper midrange and treble, and just needs an absence of grain or harshness from the playback system to sound good and therefore does not require coloration to avoid fatigue.  I unfortunately no longer have the EF-6 to qualify the degree of midbass bloom, but I do not recall having the impression of bass bloom like I got from the 160, but again my memory could be failing and I have not compared them side by side.

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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

HE-6 need 20mW for 90dB.  That's milliwatt.  For people who like to listen at 120dB peaks, yeah you need a monster amp, for reasonable people 1W into the HE-6 load will suffice.

 

Granted 20mW is ton more than the ~1mW the LCD needs.

 

I think the issue of gain between the amplifiers is a bit misleading when trying to appraise power output.  The EF-6 has 0 dB gain as default switchable to +10 dB and on 0 gain I never got past 12 O'clock.  If the Soloist has different gain it is pointless to compare the output level especially not as an indication of reserve power.  As you say for non-hearing-damage levels the HE-6 requires very little power, however I would speculate that given the differences between the HE-6 and most ordinary headphones, the fairly modest power supply may not be able to maintain as flat voltage as other more over-engineered designs, especially with questionable wall power quality etc.  Still I guess you could always replace the capacitors with something more beefy.

post #47 of 1167

What gives more power (and is thus more able to power the HE-6): the Violectric V200 or the Burson Soloist?

post #48 of 1167

IMHO - Neither 

post #49 of 1167

Burson but like prep said, get a Lyr or Mjolnir if it has be a headamp.  Tons of great integrated speaker amps in the $1000 range used to be had everyday though.

post #50 of 1167

Anyone heard it yet?

post #51 of 1167

Very tempted since PartsConnexion is running a Burson promo at the moment.  Seems to be par for the course when new Burson comes in.  Free DH Labs power and interconnect to collect dust in my spares box ;)

post #52 of 1167

 This one is going to be tough for those contemplating between the Soloist and the V200 :-

 

 Quick Impressions -

 

 * Soloist is more laid back than the HA-160, it is also very smooth compared to it's more affordable sibling.

 

 * General signature brings it into line with the V200

 

 * Treble detail is greater on the V200, this is a pro or a con depending on one's treble sensitivity.

 

 * Mid range is nicer on the Soloist to my ears

 

 Overall it remains one of the most fatigue free solid states I've ever come across. I would not call

 it scintillating as that would suggest it has the potential to be fatguing. You can't have one without

 the other.

post #53 of 1167

Gwarmi, what headphones were you using with the Soloist? the PS1000? thanks.

post #54 of 1167
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Gwarmi, what headphones were you using with the Soloist? the PS1000? thanks.

 

 Yep might as well glue these clunky things to my head really wink.gif

post #55 of 1167

Bummer I was hoping for something more immediate sounding, improved resolution and a tonal balance more tilted towards neutral :(

post #56 of 1167
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Bummer I was hoping for something more immediate sounding, improved resolution and a tonal balance more tilted towards neutral :(

 

 Gave the Soloist a rip with the LCD3's on medium gain too and it did sound fairly neutral, very smooth as they tend to be in the first place.

 

 Certainly less bright overall than on any of the Ray Samuels gear. The PS1000 is fairly finicky with amps, perhaps it was not the best

 example. But yes, if you found the original HA-160 to be quite unexciting then I cannot see you finding this more enticing redface.gif

 

 The resolution and refinement alone I think makes it worthy of consideration.

 

 Oh and the stepped attenuator is much more refined, less notchy and it does not squelch into the ear like the HA-160.


Edited by Gwarmi - 7/4/12 at 4:57am
post #57 of 1167
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Bummer I was hoping for something more immediate sounding, improved resolution and a tonal balance more tilted towards neutral :(

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post #58 of 1167
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Originally Posted by Gwarmi View Post

 

 Gave the Soloist a rip with the LCD3's on medium gain too and it did sound fairly neutral, very smooth as they tend to be in the first place.

 

 Certainly less bright overall than on any of the Ray Samuels gear. The PS1000 is fairly finicky with amps, perhaps it was not the best

 example. But yes, if you found the original HA-160 to be quite unexciting then I cannot see you finding this more enticing redface.gif

 

 The resolution and refinement alone I think makes it worthy of consideration.

 

 Oh and the stepped attenuator is much more refined, less notchy and it does not squelch into the ear like the HA-160.


Since you have the LCD3, would you be able to compare that headphone on the soloist vs other amps you've tried? Even if it's just in approximate terms. Did you notice anything in particular? This amp was on my list as a potential amp upgrade for my LCD3 (currently using an Amphora).

 

thanks

post #59 of 1167
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Originally Posted by Gwarmi View Post

But yes, if you found the original HA-160 to be quite unexciting then I cannot see you finding this more enticing redface.gif

 

 The resolution and refinement alone I think makes it worthy of consideration.

My problem with the HA-160D was the grain and low focus factor.  I would have hoped the new model would be more focused, precise, not even further out of focus.  The B22 doesn't have the grain but its fuzzy as well.  Rounded and polite, very tube like.  Very similar to the WA22 to be honest.  Hopefully the Schiit Mjolnir is more precise.

post #60 of 1167

Have heard this powerful amp yesterday.

 

Exterior wise it's really like HA160, only this one come with gain setting (actually very nice idea to put gain setting here). I tried it with HE6 and HD650. I'm not really like to listening music very loud, and for me medium gain in Soloist is well enough to drive HE6.

 

Compare to amp section of HA160D (supposed to be same as HA160), this what I got:

- Better impact on Soloist, somehow 160D seems "duller" with more grainy sounding.

- Better depth than 160D. I always think 160D has very good depth, but Soloist is simply give you even more

- Soloist has slightly more forward lower treble, and I think it's help the clarity and clearer sounding

- Better detail pronounce and cleaner separation than 160D

- Overall tonality, it's still Burson, and have similiarity to 160D, only Soloist just improve in many aspect.

 

I think Soloist it's very good amp consider its price and sound quality to drive HE6. Yes, you can have better result like with RSA Darkstar (still my most favourite to drive HE6), but the price gap is really on the different world.


Edited by TheMiddleSky - 7/4/12 at 9:56am
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