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post #406 of 1167
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

Might be new to the thread.  The Soloist is my second favourite amp ;)  What separates it from my favourite is the Peak's better bass extension and dynamics.  But the Soloist is still better than the rest of my profile.

 

 

Soloist over the mojo?

post #407 of 1167

Long term, I think so.  Soloist was kind of dead in a laid back sort of way and the Mjolnir was out on the other end, alive to the point of fatigue.  The Peak swings like mad compared to most, but the Mjolnir was even more dynamic.

 

That was with the W4S though which compared to the PWD2 is darker but more dynamic/shouty. Audio math would say that the Soloist would be even deader with the PWD2 amd the Mjolnir even brighter.  But audio math doesn't usually work out ;)

post #408 of 1167

Would add Burson really needs to add bias to the output.  It runs cold and doesn't need to.  But sound wise its pretty much a direct replacement for a B22 though much less power output.

post #409 of 1167

You should really get your hands on a 4 channel B22.  I just had a chance to compare a 3 channel to my 4 channel.  While the Sound sig was the same some other things like bass, resolution, dynamics, more detailed, better sound stage,.  That's just me....biggrin.gif

post #410 of 1167

Really think B22 has been surpassed in every way.

 

Though it boils down to preferences.

 

There's quite a few amps that beat out the B22 in performance.

Both the Mjolnir and Soloist are included here. And both are a better value $ wise.

post #411 of 1167
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

Really think B22 has been surpassed in every way.

 

Though it boils down to preferences.

 

There's quite a few amps that beat out the B22 in performance.

Both the Mjolnir and Soloist are included here. And both are a better value $ wise.

 

 

Better value yes I agree.  But beat out in performance NO WAY....  The B22 has a few different config.  and the 4 channel b22 can still go with the best of them.

 

For that matter I can say the a-100 mini X is a better value than the mojo and soloist.  Yes - and it is.  But value and performance is a different thing.  

post #412 of 1167
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

Better value yes I agree.  But beat out in performance NO WAY....  The B22 has a few different config.  and the 4 channel b22 can still go with the best of them.

 

For that matter I can say the a-100 mini X is a better value than the mojo and soloist.  Yes - and it is.  But value and performance is a different thing.  

Both Mjolnir and Soloist out performed a 4ch B22. I'm not saying the B22 isn't good. It is, however there's no way

I'd commission a build for one personally, when the latter outperform it.

 

The Mjolnir is definitely more dynamic and engaging, luckily, I don't find it bright or fatiguing.

Comparatively preference wise the Soloist does feel boring. 

 

I do find some B22 build's pretty damn cool still, so there's always other incentives.

post #413 of 1167
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Both Mjolnir and Soloist out performed a 4ch B22. I'm not saying the B22 isn't good. It is, however there's no way

I'd commission a build for one personally, when the latter outperform it.

 

The Mjolnir is definitely more dynamic and engaging, luckily, I don't find it bright or fatiguing.

Comparatively preference wise the Soloist does feel boring. 

 

I do find some B22 build's pretty damn cool still, so there's always other incentives.

 

 

Says who?  As far as I've seen and read and witnessed they have only been compared to 3 channel B22s.  Where did you get this?  I've have yet to see a comparison against a 4ch B22 - please point me where I can see it.  

 

Anyway,  This will happen this weekend for sure.  I and a few other head fi'ers will see first hand.

 

The 4 ch. B22 rarely gets build.  Corey won't do it, Ying has only done 3 ( I think that's correct)  iPodPJ has one.  There's just not a whole lot of them out there.  

 

So to have seen both a soloist and a mojo compared to a 4ch. B22 is rare.  

post #414 of 1167
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

Says who?  As far as I've seen and read and witnessed they have only been compared to 3 channel B22s.  Where did you get this?  I've have yet to see a comparison against a 4ch B22 - please point me where I can see it.  

 

Anyway,  This will happen this weekend for sure.  I and a few other head fi'ers will see first hand.

 

The 4 ch. B22 rarely gets build.  Corey won't do it, Ying has only done 3 ( I think that's correct)  iPodPJ has one.  There's just not a whole lot of them out there.  

 

So to have seen both a soloist and a mojo compared to a 4ch. B22 is rare.  

I hope you're not implying that you hold other people's words as your own....

 

Everything I ever say is solely my opinion on gear, not other's, I'll never quote reviews or anecdotes.

 

So IMO:

 

 

 

Both Mjolnir and Soloist out performed a 4ch B22. I'm not saying the B22 isn't good. It is, however there's no way

I'd commission a build for one personally, when the latter outperform it.

 

The Mjolnir is definitely more dynamic and engaging, luckily, I don't find it bright or fatiguing.

Comparatively preference wise the Soloist does feel boring. 

 

I do find some B22 build's pretty damn cool still, so there's always other incentives.

post #415 of 1167
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

I hope you're not implying that you hold other people's words as your own....

 

Everything I ever say is solely my opinion on gear, not other's, I'll never quote reviews or anecdotes.

 

So IMO:

 

 

 

Both Mjolnir and Soloist out performed a 4ch B22. I'm not saying the B22 isn't good. It is, however there's no way

I'd commission a build for one personally, when the latter outperform it.

 

The Mjolnir is definitely more dynamic and engaging, luckily, I don't find it bright or fatiguing.

Comparatively preference wise the Soloist does feel boring. 

 

I do find some B22 build's pretty damn cool still, so there's always other incentives.

 

 

No way Jose.  I did say I was going to see for my self this weekend first hand - correct.    

 

Oh - so your saying this is IYO?  You never said that you heard all three or what you based your statement on.  I didn't know one way or the other..    So you would be one of a very, very few to have compared all three.  

 

OH well,  

 

The architecture along on a 4ch. B22 blows away both by a country mile.  The sigma22 PSU and my two Plitron transformers is far and beyond better in every way than what both of those amps has to offer.  Then 4 separate amp boards...  anyway I'm no amp engineer or nothing.  But I much prefer a build like a 4ch. B22 and the new GS-X  over these one enclosure offerings any day of the week and twice on Sundays.  That's just me...biggrin.gif

post #416 of 1167
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

No way Jose.  I did say I was going to see for my self this weekend first hand - correct.    

 

Oh - so your saying this is IYO?  You never said that you heard all three or what you based your statement on.  I didn't know one way or the other..    So you would be one of a very, very few to have compared all three.  

 

OH well,  

 

The architecture along on a 4ch. B22 blows away both by a country mile.  The sigma22 PSU and my two Plitron transformers is far and beyond better in every way than what both of those amps has to offer.  Then 4 separate amp boards...  anyway I'm no amp engineer or nothing.  But I much prefer a build like a 4ch. B22 and the new GS-X  over these one enclosure offerings any day of the week and twice on Sundays.  That's just me...biggrin.gif

I thought there was an understanding of not talking about gear you haven't heard personally.

But I gotcha.

 

Sure, you can like it on paper. But seeing as you haven't heard the other 2 amps, I'm unsure how meaningful that really is.

 

Anyways, I wasn't hating on the B22 at all.

 

Looking forward to your meet impressions. 

post #417 of 1167
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

I thought there was an understanding of not talking about gear you haven't heard personally.

But I gotcha.

 

Sure, you can like it on paper. But seeing as you haven't heard the other 2 amps, I'm unsure how meaningful that really is.

 

Anyways, I wasn't hating on the B22 at all.

 

Looking forward to your meet impressions. 

 

 

Din't say it meant anything.  I was just pointing out my preference in architecture.  I will be sure to give my honest impressions.  I can hope the other two will do the same.

post #418 of 1167
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

Din't say it meant anything.  I was just pointing out my preference in architecture.  I will be sure to give my honest impressions.  I can hope the other two will do the same.

You can surely have the preference against one enclosures, for example. But I am just saying what does that really equate to...

if you find out yourself these amps do outperform the B22.

 

The B22 has been built every which way, I mean, look at Phils B22, the costs of his build should send that over 

just about every other headamp. Does it perform better though. Honestly, don't know.

I know that there's gear out there right now that outperform the B22 and come in cheaper.

 

I also wouldn't say the B22 architecture is miles ahead of either one of those. The Mjolnir is pretty impressive itself,

even though everything is stuffed into 1 enclosure.

post #419 of 1167

Well to add to the fire, I preferred the Soloist to my balanced B22.  I found them inter-changable in character with the Soloist having better resolution.  That said, I also think the balanced B22 isn't the best config.  If I was to rank the B22 configs... 2 > 4 > 3.  Active ground is plain retarded.  The gains in a balanced B22 are beyond useless while the losses are very real.  Which is why my new B22 is 2 channel ;)

post #420 of 1167
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

You can surely have the preference against one enclosures, for example. But I am just saying what does that really equate to...

if you find out yourself these amps do outperform the B22.

 

The B22 has been built every which way, I mean, look at Phils B22, the costs of his build should send that over 

just about every other headamp. Does it perform better though. Honestly, don't know.

I know that there's gear out there right now that outperform the B22 and come in cheaper.

 

I also wouldn't say the B22 architecture is miles ahead of either one of those. The Mjolnir is pretty impressive itself,

even though everything is stuffed into 1 enclosure.

 

 

Well if you would ask Phil I'm sure he would say - (although it my be biased) that his B22 is the best amp ever.  

 

I think your missing the point.  

 

Cheaper yes.  That's one thing and a major thing for most.  However, when I compare I put price aside for the sake of performance alone.  I'm sure there's amps out there that outperforms the B22 - Nowhere did I say it wasn't.  You are the one that's saying what outperforms what - I never did.  

 

And yes. I would defiantly say the architecture on a 4ch. B22 is far above that of either amp.

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