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post #1066 of 1175
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Originally Posted by Sanlitun View Post

Any of you using the HD800?

Curious how you have the gain and volume set on your Soloist for these.

I think it will depend on the source and individual track. For mine, low gain with volume around 10-11 o'clock with maximum around 12-1 o'clock.
post #1067 of 1175
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Originally Posted by jsgraha View Post


I think it will depend on the source and individual track. For mine, low gain with volume around 10-11 o'clock with maximum around 12-1 o'clock.

 

Some guys have used it on the lowest gain and sometimes mid gain. 

post #1068 of 1175
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Originally Posted by dparker83 View Post
 

With my LCD3, I rarely make it past 9 o'clock.  Burson said that they got the best results with the "M" gain setting so I use that.

 

I'm sure with "L" it would go a couple clicks higher.

 

 

Hmm makes me wonder how much difference there is between different revisions! 9 o'clock on an LCD-3 with medium gain is quiet. My ears are not shot. I don't like to listen too loud, but that is way too quiet and I validated with the Mrs. Loud but not too loud would be 11 o'clock on high gain for me.

 

My unit gets a little warm to the touch

post #1069 of 1175
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Originally Posted by jonstatt View Post


Hmm makes me wonder how much difference there is between different revisions! 9 o'clock on an LCD-3 with medium gain is quiet. My ears are not shot. I don't like to listen too loud, but that is way too quiet and I validated with the Mrs. Loud but not too loud would be 11 o'clock on high gain for me.

My unit gets a little warm to the touch
10-11 on the dial at high gain is plenty loud for me.
post #1070 of 1175
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Originally Posted by jonstatt View Post
 

 

 

Hmm makes me wonder how much difference there is between different revisions! 9 o'clock on an LCD-3 with medium gain is quiet. My ears are not shot. I don't like to listen too loud, but that is way too quiet and I validated with the Mrs. Loud but not too loud would be 11 o'clock on high gain for me.

 

My unit gets a little warm to the touch

 

 

I hope you all realize that also depends on the power of the output of your source(s).  As I only have a small portable player, it is only natural that I need to be between 12 and 3 o'clock on low gain with the LCD-3, and the same goes for the HD650 if only for one click less.

post #1071 of 1175
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Originally Posted by CoolBurn View Post
 

 

 

I hope you all realize that also depends on the power of the output of your source(s).  As I only have a small portable player, it is only natural that I need to be between 12 and 3 o'clock on low gain with the LCD-3, and the same goes for the HD650 if only for one click less.

 

 

Sure. And of course it also depends on the type of music. For example classical will generally need more volume. The reason I posted was because I am using my headphone amplifier with non-portable equipment and I can't find any music including electronic where 9 o'clock on medium gain would be loud enough for listening with an LCD-3. And as I say, my ears are most definitely not deficient.

post #1072 of 1175
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Originally Posted by jonstatt View Post
 

 

 

Sure. And of course it also depends on the type of music. For example classical will generally need more volume. The reason I posted was because I am using my headphone amplifier with non-portable equipment and I can't find any music including electronic where 9 o'clock on medium gain would be loud enough for listening with an LCD-3. And as I say, my ears are most definitely not deficient.

 

 

I totally agree about the type of music being one of the factors as well.

 

And why would someone expect any soundsystem (earphones or speakers) to be loud enough at only 9 o'clock on the volume pot ?  It would only tell you that the gain is far too high and that you cannot fine-tune your volume, let alone the risk of having lots of distortion due to the too high input signal.

 

I know this confuses a lot of people: having the attenuator fairly low and already getting a high volume fools you into believing in a false sense of power, when it doesn't mean anything of the sort really !

post #1073 of 1175

I use the low gain setting with the attenuator at 1100 (>90%) of the time, and never really higher than 1130-1200. This is for music that often hits -0db full scale and with moderate to low dynamic range. I was advised that 1100 is approximately 80db. I listen in a fairly quiet environment an find it plenty loud for the most part. 

 

What I don't understand is how there is a perceived variance in volume between certain songs (albums/ artists/ genres/ whathaveyou), despite similar db peak levels and dynamic range. Counter to my intuitions, I often find that highly compressed loud (-0db) rock sounds noticeably quieter than say, electronic music with similar peak/ DR levels.

 

My naive intuition suspects that this perceived 'loudness' difference could attributable to wider frequency range (or more energy in the extremities) in electronic music which increases perceived loudness without an increase in actual volume. Perhaps it it is Flecter-Munson effect, but I would have thought that would only make rock appear louder that electronic music at a set volume.

 

Is it even possible to have different volume levels at say -0db for a given frequency, i.e. due to being recorded that way (i.e. recording low volume instrument with high gain mic) ? Or is there a a direct relationship between volume in the digital domain and output volume?

 

Sorry for long off topic post/ question:)

post #1074 of 1175

Anyone used the Soloist with a grado PS1000?

post #1075 of 1175
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Originally Posted by In Over My Head View Post
 

I use the low gain setting with the attenuator at 1100 (>90%) of the time, and never really higher than 1130-1200. This is for music that often hits -0db full scale and with moderate to low dynamic range. I was advised that 1100 is approximately 80db. I listen in a fairly quiet environment an find it plenty loud for the most part.

 

What I don't understand is how there is a perceived variance in volume between certain songs (albums/ artists/ genres/ whathaveyou), despite similar db peak levels and dynamic range. Counter to my intuitions, I often find that highly compressed loud (-0db) rock sounds noticeably quieter than say, electronic music with similar peak/ DR levels.

 

My naive intuition suspects that this perceived 'loudness' difference could attributable to wider frequency range (or more energy in the extremities) in electronic music which increases perceived loudness without an increase in actual volume. Perhaps it it is Flecter-Munson effect, but I would have thought that would only make rock appear louder that electronic music at a set volume.

 

Is it even possible to have different volume levels at say -0db for a given frequency, i.e. due to being recorded that way (i.e. recording low volume instrument with high gain mic) ? Or is there a a direct relationship between volume in the digital domain and output volume?

 

Sorry for long off topic post/ question:)

 

 

 

I think you are on the right lines there but I don't have any specific science to back it up. If we consider 90dB at a single frequency, vs a total 90dB output but with multiple frequencies constituting that total output, then I am sure there is a perceptual difference in volume. I guess one could do a white noise 90dB test vs the output from a signal generator with a sine wave at a specific frequency with 90dB output. If the signal is at 0dB on the meter then its output at the speaker should be the same regardless of frequency as long as those frequencies are within the audible domain of the speaker and the speaker exhibits a flat response with no resonances. Of course the latter is impossible, but fundamentally in terms of volume perception for most music, 0dB on the input side should always equal the same volume on the output.

post #1076 of 1175
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Originally Posted by Sanlitun View Post
 

Any of you using the HD800?

 

Curious how you have the gain and volume set on your Soloist for these.

I'm using the Soloist with a HD800.

A very good match I can say, I use mostly mid gain, but on some symphonic music I use high gain as music was recorded at a very low gain.

Mid gain volume 2 o'clock, high-gain volume 12 o'clock, rarely 2 o'clock


Edited by DarKu - 9/20/13 at 2:13am
post #1077 of 1175
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Originally Posted by jonstatt View Post
 

 

 

 

I think you are on the right lines there but I don't have any specific science to back it up. If we consider 90dB at a single frequency, vs a total 90dB output but with multiple frequencies constituting that total output, then I am sure there is a perceptual difference in volume. I guess one could do a white noise 90dB test vs the output from a signal generator with a sine wave at a specific frequency with 90dB output. If the signal is at 0dB on the meter then its output at the speaker should be the same regardless of frequency as long as those frequencies are within the audible domain of the speaker and the speaker exhibits a flat response with no resonances. Of course the latter is impossible, but fundamentally in terms of volume perception for most music, 0dB on the input side should always equal the same volume on the output.

Thanks for the reply jonstatt.

post #1078 of 1175
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Originally Posted by CybDev View Post

I spent some time comparing the Soloist with the Schiit Mjolnir and Auralic Taurus, and really preferred the Soloist to the 2 others :-)

If I hadn't landed on getting the SR-009 I probably would be listening to a Soloist with my HD800's right now :-)

On a side note I also spent some time with the Conductor, which is supposedly just a Soloist with a built-in DAC.
I really think they messed up with the DAC, didn't like the Conductor at all :-(


Has anyone else have an opportunity to compare Auralic Taurus with Soloist.

About to pull a trigger on Taurus, am I better off with Soloist, for once it's cheaper, but Taurus will match Vega. :confused: 

post #1079 of 1175
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post


Has anyone else have an opportunity to compare Auralic Taurus with Soloist.
About to pull a trigger on Taurus, am I better off with Soloist, for once it's cheaper, but Taurus will match Vega. confused.gif  
Andrew, there is an Auralic thread. You might want to post your query there. I'm in the same position as well. All the best.
post #1080 of 1175

I'm using the Soloist with an M1DAC and some T1's with stock cable. I keep it on medium gain at about 3 o'clock. Either my computer has low volume output, or I listen really loud. lol

 

The Soloist on some songs does not get loud enough on the HE5LE, and is pretty bad with the K240 Sextett. Just my thoughts. I love it with the T1 tho :D

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