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post #526 of 547
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Originally Posted by headphone man07 View Post

 

we could try?

and look guys, a head-fi divided will NEVER, EVER convert enough people to good sound quality t beat the current fads, I'm starting small time and recommending headphones to people here and there, and whenever someone says they beat beats (unintentional pun) that's a victory. When enough people realize I know enough about headphones to discredit beats then they'll pass it on to their friends who will also come to me.

So come on guys, why don't we work on ways to "convert" people, or at least get them off beats. If we have an efficient, working system and set of steps that we know works, then beats will die out. 

 

You might as well presage the death of Apple. You'll never convert 99.9% of people who buy Beats. Your time is much better spent helping those who share our nerdism on a (initially) smaller scale.

 

 

Simple fact is that people will always pay over the odds for something that's used by their (wishful) peers, aspirationally marketed/designed and engineered to deliver *adequate* performance in the field. (On that note it amuses me that despite sharing exactly the same modus operandi as Beats, Apple gets such comparative love. Unfortunately people can't help but having their hands and eyes help them make uninformed decisions)

 


And it happens in any market: There's plenty of stuff that passes the Head-Fi snob test that is frankly substandard dross, which is marketed in the same way (if obviously not at the same scale) to appeal to the subculture here.

post #527 of 547
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Originally Posted by knux11 View Post

wow, hadn't seen those.  they look awesome.  question though, which mode offers the most bass? the "open headphone" mode or the "closed headphone" mode?  just want to be sure, because open would never be an option for me.
not sure about the m100, but i tried the m80 and their clamping was atrocious.
Actually, the little switch is called a "bass port" the more open, the more bass, and on the M-100, comfort is great, if not decent. The M-80's just need a bit of stretching.
post #528 of 547
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Originally Posted by knux11 View Post

wow, hadn't seen those.  they look awesome.  question though, which mode offers the most bass? the "open headphone" mode or the "closed headphone" mode?  just want to be sure, because open would never be an option for me.

not sure about the m100, but i tried the m80 and their clamping was atrocious.

Regardless on what bass mode you put is still isolates (pretty well) somehow.
The M100 and M80 have headbands that you can stretch out, Tyll did it on his M100.

post #529 of 547

I've converted one beats guy to fischer audio fa-003 and a skullcandy fan to beyer dt831 and I intend to carry on

post #530 of 547
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

I'm willing to bet that half of you bashing the beats have never even heard them, or if you have it was probably in some loud Best Buy with pairs that have had their drivers rattled out by hundreds of teenagers every single day.

 

The Beats are NOT BAD sounding headphones. In my opinion, they sound pretty decent. Separation is decent, mids and highs are decent, and the fact that they look cool is a plus. I listened to a friend's Studios and compared them to another friend's M50. They are quite omparable in SQ. This brings up the true issue with the Beats: They are overpriced. The fact that they are comparable to $150 headphones belies their $400 price tag.

 

Beats are not s**t, unlike most would want you to believe. Next time you see someone walking around with the Studios or Pros, ask them for a quick listen. Until then, hold your tongue.


I happen to disagree. I think the mid bass on Beats is bloated and bleeds into the mids, degrading the mids significantly. The bass also lacks detail for how overpowering it is. The treble is ok, but somewhat recessed. Sub bass is really the only thing Beats headphones offer. I don't find them that comfortable (granted I've never worn one for a long period of time). They also seem fragile and somewhat cheaply built. The noise canceling feature also doesn't really do much in my experience. I also disagree with them looking cool, I don't really like the design at all, I much prefer a more vintage or classic look then the sleek fashionable look Beats offer. I hate that the newer Denon's seem to have followed in the Beats footsteps.

Not everyone dislikes Beats headphones because it's popular to do so, some folks have a legitimate claim. I simply don't think they are great headphones, but I more then understand why they are popular. At $400 they almost become laughable, you can get a FAR superior headphone at $400, and that is just flat out 100% fact.

post #531 of 547
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Originally Posted by ibob4tacoz View Post


Actually, the little switch is called a "bass port" the more open, the more bass, and on the M-100, comfort is great, if not decent. The M-80's just need a bit of stretching.

 

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Originally Posted by streetdragon View Post

Regardless on what bass mode you put is still isolates (pretty well) somehow.
The M100 and M80 have headbands that you can stretch out, Tyll did it on his M100.

thanks guys, still debating on whether to order these, i just might.

 

in the meantime, any other suggestions?

post #532 of 547

I'm a fischer audio fa-003 fanatic, they're good

post #533 of 547
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Originally Posted by Mani ATH 87 View Post


I happen to disagree. I think the mid bass on Beats is bloated and bleeds into the mids, degrading the mids significantly. The bass also lacks detail for how overpowering it is. The treble is ok, but somewhat recessed. Sub bass is really the only thing Beats headphones offer. I don't find them that comfortable (granted I've never worn one for a long period of time). They also seem fragile and somewhat cheaply built. The noise canceling feature also doesn't really do much in my experience. I also disagree with them looking cool, I don't really like the design at all, I much prefer a more vintage or classic look then the sleek fashionable look Beats offer. I hate that the newer Denon's seem to have followed in the Beats footsteps.

Not everyone dislikes Beats headphones because it's popular to do so, some folks have a legitimate claim. I simply don't think they are great headphones, but I more then understand why they are popular. At $400 they almost become laughable, you can get a FAR superior headphone at $400, and that is just flat out 100% fact.

 

Fine, how about a little paradigm shift exercise using your own description of the beats.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Mani ATH 87 View Post


I happen to disagree. I think the mid bass on Beats is bloated and bleeds into the mids, degrading the mids significantly. The bass also lacks detail for how overpowering it is. The treble is ok, but somewhat recessed. Sub bass is really the only thing Beats headphones offer.

 

(Presto change-o)

 

The bass of the Studio (assuming it's the studio that you listened to) is very nice. It extends deeply and strongly, but the mid-bass can be a bit loose at times. However, the warmth of the mid-bass lends body and heft to male vocals, while mellowing out the presentation a bit. The mid-range is definitely on the warm side, but it is to be expected for a consumer oriented phone that focuses on genres like hip-hop, pop, etc. The treble is the perfect cherry on top, in that it is present, yet smooth enough not to call attention away from the overall rhythm of the music. Conclusion: at $400, it is definitely overpriced. However, it is still a very nice headphone that is comparable to the likes of the M50 and others in that class.

post #534 of 547
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

Fine, how about a little paradigm shift exercise using your own description of the beats.



(Presto change-o)

The bass of the Studio (assuming it's the studio that you listened to) is very nice. It extends deeply and strongly, but the mid-bass can be a bit loose at times. However, the warmth of the mid-bass lends body and heft to male vocals, while mellowing out the presentation a bit. The mid-range is definitely on the warm side, but it is to be expected for a consumer oriented phone that focuses on genres like hip-hop, pop, etc. The treble is the perfect cherry on top, in that it is present, yet smooth enough not to call attention away from the overall rhythm of the music. Conclusion: at $400, it is definitely overpriced. However, it is still a very nice headphone that is comparable to the likes of the M50 and others in that class.
A friend wanted to compare how "loud" his Solos were to my m-80s :P
post #535 of 547
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A friend wanted to compare how "loud" his Solos were to my m-80s :P

 

What does that have to do with anything?

post #536 of 547
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

What does that have to do with anything?
Ummmm, he has no idea what he's talking about.
post #537 of 547

Increased loudness is generally perceived as higher quality. That's well known. Some people have the illusion that something sounds better when it just sounds louder, some people skip that step and go straight for louder stuff. Of course,

1. that's what amps are for

2. the whole turning up the volume thing is going to be horrible for you down the line. 

post #538 of 547
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Originally Posted by ibob4tacoz View Post


Beyerdynamic Custom One Pros?

 

just wanted to say thanks.  got these delivered about a week ago, they're just what I was looking for.  saved me a ton of cash.  you rock!!

post #539 of 547
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Originally Posted by knux11 View Post

just wanted to say thanks.  got these delivered about a week ago, they're just what I was looking for.  saved me a ton of cash.  you rock!!
No prob, bro. Glad I helped.
post #540 of 547
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Originally Posted by ThinkAwesome View Post
 

Increased loudness is generally perceived as higher quality. That's well known. Some people have the illusion that something sounds better when it just sounds louder, some people skip that step and go straight for louder stuff. Of course,

1. that's what amps are for

2. the whole turning up the volume thing is going to be horrible for you down the line. 

 

the whole reason I'm an audiophile 

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