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For those who are thinking of getting the PF IX, you might want to take a look at Amazon Japan:

http://www.amazon.co.jp/final-design-ForteIX-%E3%83%80%E3%82%A4%E3%83%8A%E3%83%9F%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E5%9E%8B%E3%82%A4%E3%83%A4%E3%83%9B%E3%83%B3-FI-DC1602SS/dp/B004WQ1MD2/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1412903260&sr=8-9&keywords=final+audio+design


It's currently on offer for about USD690, though you will still need to add on shipping costs from forwarders such as Tenso. Very limited sets left, and knowing how Amazon works, the price is likely going northwards pretty soon. I suppose these are authentic since they are sold and shipped by Amazon themselves.
post #4682 of 4695
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Originally Posted by nogi replicant View Post

Hey Cooperpwc, I have been thinking about getting the PFIX for a while. But I would be matching it with my calyx M. I recall you saying they don't play nice together because of the calyx impedance issue. Is this correct?

Also, with music that suits the PFIX (which is limited I know), how would you compare the presentation of that music on the PFIX compared to the Lab 1?

Thanks.

 

 

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Originally Posted by HiFlight View Post


I don't mean to horn in, but I have both the PF-IX and LAB 1. For the genre's that the IX likes, (vocals, jazz, small groups) the sound is unmatched by anything I have owned. The soundstage and imaging is just incredibly realistic, almost holographic. The LAB 1, IMO, comes in a close second with these genre's but is by far the better all-arounder.

One thing I believe adds to the impression of realism that is exhibited by the PF-IX is the fact that there is absolutely no blocking of the ear canal or isolation. This is really how our ears work in real life. Added to this is the fact that once in place, the PF-IX is an incredibly comfortable IEM for me. Once warmed, they just disappear. Folks with small ears need not apply!

 

I think that HiFlight has done a good job with the comparison.

 

I would add that the Lab 1 is at least a serious contender for fulltime headphone. (You are on a desert island and can only have one headphone...) It does everything.

 

PFIX is not. It is technically bizarre. It has 'unique' ambience, acoustic modeling and frequency response. (Its detractors would substitute other words for unique.) But it has many fans including me. With the right music, it is a special experience. If you are going to buy just one FAD 160X series IEM, the PF IX (1602SS) is in my view a very good choice. It is clean in presentation and as versatile as the series gets. And it has those exquisite mids. 

 

Now as for matching with the M, I have really been waiting on the official adapter but I did make a 1 ohm adapter of my own. Give me some time and I will give it a good listen.

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Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post
 

 

 

 

I think that HiFlight has done a good job with the comparison.

 

I would add that the Lab 1 is at least a serious contender for fulltime headphone. (You are on a desert island and can only have one headphone...) It does everything.

 

PFIX is not. It is technically bizarre. It has 'unique' ambience, acoustic modeling and frequency response. (Its detractors would substitute other words for unique.) But it has many fans including me. With the right music, it is a special experience. If you are going to buy just one FAD 160X series IEM, the PF IX (1602SS) is in my view a very good choice. It is clean in presentation and as versatile as the series gets. And it has those exquisite mids. 

 

Now as for matching with the M, I have really been waiting on the official adapter but I did make a 1 ohm adapter of my own. Give me some time and I will give it a good listen.

Hi cooper, may I have a comparison of 1601SC vs 1602SS? I'm really interested in the 1601.

 

Thank you.

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So I just pulled out my M, 1 ohm adapter and the PF IX, and went down into the garden to kick back with a coffee and cigar and give it a good listen.

 

First of all: I heard zero evidence of any compatibility issues with the music that I wanted to listen to. I later tested a song that has some opening bass notes that always caused a problem and they still did. 1 ohm was not enough to fix the issue. It is strange though; it is just a few notes at the beginning of that song (The Little Beggar Girl by Richard and Linda Thompson; the perfect test song for this issue) and then everything is fine. Hopefully the adapter Calyx provides will have higher impedance. Again, there were zero issues with the other music I listened to.

 

I listened to some Baroque and it was perfect. Perfect, I say! I will go out on a limb and posit that harpsichord never sounds better. A private church in my head... unbelievable. String ensembles were equally compelling.

 

I then put on Jazz, the Dave Brubeck Quartet. Blue Rondo A La Turk was excellent but the M has a slightly mellow presentation and I was thinking that I preferred the more dynamic sound of the Wyrd + Modi + GS-X mk2 that I was listening to the same song on with the PF IX yesterday. I little more sparkle and definition on the cymbals in particular. Later when I was listening to Take 5, a song with a more "clubby" sound, I could find no fault at all. Exquisite. A private Jazz club in my head. (Edit: Regarding "no fault at all", I realise that I am so used to the PF IX that I just take the paucity of sub-bass for granted. The PF IX will always be the PF IX...) 

 

I put on some acoustic guitar plus vocal material (the bonus disc from Jewel's Sweet and Wild.) The M + PF IX does that kind of music well. The smooth presentation of the M tames the treble edge of Jewel's vocals. Very nice.

 

Then for the heck of it, I put on Joan Osborne's One Of Us. It was... pretty obnoxious. No fault of the M; the Piano Forte IX does not do rock, even light rock like that. Mind you, Joan Armatrading's All The Way From America was better. I didn't like the hard drum slaps at all but the vocals were great. With Rock/Pop, you are best to keep things acoustic and mellow with the PF IX.

 

So I think that the M and PF IX is a great combination when used with the kind of music that suits the PF IX. Once the official adapter comes out, I expect it to get some fair amount of use. (There is still the zero isolation fact of the 160Xs; quiet environments only.)

 

As for the impedance issue, it is so rare that I really have to look for it. I have decided that I don't care very much with the PF IX since the music that the PF IX does well almost never causes the problem. Still I look forward to the adapter.


Edited by cooperpwc - 10/10/14 at 12:44am
post #4685 of 4695
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Originally Posted by shsh View Post
 

Hi cooper, may I have a comparison of 1601SC vs 1602SS? I'm really interested in the 1601.

 

Thank you.

 

This is an interesting question that I have been asking myself. Even though I have owned the 1602SS for a long time and the 1601SC for almost a year, I am still not quite sure what to say.

 

I am enjoying these two IEMs with my new home rig more than ever before so I expect that they will be getting a lot of listening time. I will post some thoughts down the road, hopefully soon.

post #4686 of 4695
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Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post
 

 

This is an interesting question that I have been asking myself. Even though I have owned the 1602SS for a long time and the 1601SC for almost a year, I am still not quite sure what to say.

 

I am enjoying these two IEMs with my new home rig more than ever before so I expect that they will be getting a lot of listening time. I will post some thoughts down the road, hopefully soon.

Alright, thank you.

Looking forward to your impressions.

I may want to get one of the 1601.

post #4687 of 4695

Any comparisons between Heaven VI and ASG-2?

post #4688 of 4695
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Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post
 

So I just pulled out my M, 1 ohm adapter and the PF IX, and went down into the garden to kick back with a coffee and cigar and give it a good listen.

 

First of all: I heard zero evidence of any compatibility issues with the music that I wanted to listen to. I later tested a song that has some opening bass notes that always caused a problem and they still did. 1 ohm was not enough to fix the issue. It is strange though; it is just a few notes at the beginning of that song (The Little Beggar Girl by Richard and Linda Thompson; the perfect test song for this issue) and then everything is fine. Hopefully the adapter Calyx provides will have higher impedance. Again, there were zero issues with the other music I listened to.

 

I listened to some Baroque and it was perfect. Perfect, I say! I will go out on a limb and posit that harpsichord never sounds better. A private church in my head... unbelievable. String ensembles were equally compelling.

 

I then put on Jazz, the Dave Brubeck Quartet. Blue Rondo A La Turk was excellent but the M has a slightly mellow presentation and I was thinking that I preferred the more dynamic sound of the Wyrd + Modi + GS-X mk2 that I was listening to the same song on with the PF IX yesterday. I little more sparkle and definition on the cymbals in particular. Later when I was listening to Take 5, a song with a more "clubby" sound, I could find no fault at all. Exquisite. A private Jazz club in my head. (Edit: Regarding "no fault at all", I realise that I am so used to the PF IX that I just take the paucity of sub-bass for granted. The PF IX will always be the PF IX...)

 

I put on some acoustic guitar plus vocal material (the bonus disc from Jewel's Sweet and Wild.) The M + PF IX does that kind of music well. The smooth presentation of the M tames the treble edge of Jewel's vocals. Very nice.

 

Then for the heck of it, I put on Joan Osborne's One Of Us. It was... pretty obnoxious. No fault of the M; the Piano Forte IX does not do rock, even light rock like that. Mind you, Joan Armatrading's All The Way From America was better. I didn't like the hard drum slaps at all but the vocals were great. With Rock/Pop, you are best to keep things acoustic and mellow with the PF IX.

 

So I think that the M and PF IX is a great combination when used with the kind of music that suits the PF IX. Once the official adapter comes out, I expect it to get some fair amount of use. (There is still the zero isolation fact of the 160Xs; quiet environments only.)

 

As for the impedance issue, it is so rare that I really have to look for it. I have decided that I don't care very much with the PF IX since the music that the PF IX does well almost never causes the problem. Still I look forward to the adapter.

Many thanks for this info. I think I will have an opportunity to demo them again in a couple of weeks with the M. Cheers.

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Originally Posted by fnkcow View Post
 

Any comparisons between Heaven VI and ASG-2?


From memory , they are both rather different , for one the ASG2 have bigger bass response compared to the heaven 6 , the ASG2 is a tiny bit v shaped in my opinion and the heaven 6 emphasises vocals and treble instead , not saying there is no bass but just its not something to be proud off , its just there.

 

I like the ASG2 better

post #4690 of 4695

The LAB I continues to impress. Looking forward to a HVII-HVIII comparison.

 

 

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@WoodCans - Another great piece of art! Hope there will be another heavenly pair for you soon out there, I would have no problems taking these of you smily_headphones1.gif
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For any of you Melbourne based folks, I spoke to Addicted To Audio and they have the Heaven 7 and 8 on demo this weekend at some audio expo on in Melbourne. I am actually flying down from Sydney to Melbourne on Monday for work for a week. Will drop into the store mid week to see if they still have them for a listen. I know they do have to send them back to FAD soon after the expo.
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Love to own the PF IX for their unique nature but stuck between buying a ciem or go with them.
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I demo'd a few full size cans with my M today when I had 30 minutes to kill. I tried the Ultrasone Edition 8, Audeze LCD-XC, and the FAD Pandora Hope 6. I know that the M is not the best source to drive these phones but I preferred the Lab 1's over them all with the M (I did use the impedence matching settings on the M which did work quite well).

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Originally Posted by nogi replicant View Post

I demo'd a few full size cans with my M today when I had 30 minutes to kill. I tried the Ultrasone Edition 8, Audeze LCD-XC, and the FAD Pandora Hope 6. I know that the M is not the best source to drive these phones but I preferred the Lab 1's over them all with the M (I did use the impedence matching settings on the M which did work quite well).
Haha just back myself from checking out a friend's Ed8 as well with my M about an hour ago. And indeed, I prefer my Lab1 as well! The Ed8 sounded airy, spacious and light, but preferred the Lab1 lush, intimate and encompassing sound smily_headphones1.gif he's seriously considering getting the Lab1 himself, apparently Jaben SG might be able to get him one haha
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