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post #4291 of 4722
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My perspective I arrived a during my break is that we should not be afraid to engage in radical tip rolling. The acoustic-mechanical elements that makes the Lab 1 special are still there when you change the final delivery stage. Clearly there can be some such mods that will completely negate the effectiveness of those special elements and also those that are evolutionary and might work out well for the ears of the individual. There is only one way to find out. The key is that you can always go back to the original tips so there is no risk. Rather nothing ventured, nothing gained.

What I want to do differently now is lose the manic tip rolling and give certain sound signatures a chance. That is exactly what I am doing right now with a perhaps radical option: Comply Ts-400 foamies. It is way too early to reach any conclusions other than that these are the secure-fit comfort kings. That is a no-brainer. I am however also very much enjoying what I am hearing and I am going to give them a serious try over the next few days before going back to the original tips to compare.

Quite the coincidence! I also use the Comply Ts-400 as my tip of choice for my G2.5. I haven't yet tried them with my LAB, but will do so forthwith. Who knows???
post #4292 of 4722
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My perspective I arrived a during my break is that we should not be afraid to engage in radical tip rolling. The acoustic-mechanical elements that makes the Lab 1 special are still there when you change the final delivery stage. Clearly there can be some such mods that will completely negate the effectiveness of those special elements and also those that are evolutionary and might work out well for the ears of the individual. There is only one way to find out. The key is that you can always go back to the original tips so there is no risk. Rather nothing ventured, nothing gained.

 

What I want to do differently now is lose the manic tip rolling and give certain sound signatures a chance. That is exactly what I am doing right now with a perhaps radical option: Comply Ts-400 foamies. It is way too early to reach any conclusions other than that these are the secure-fit comfort kings. That is a no-brainer. I am however also very much enjoying what I am hearing and I am going to give them a serious try over the next few days before going back to the original tips to compare.

 

 

I am particularly interested in your impressions of the LABs, especially considering you took a break for a few days from them. Tip rolling aside, how do you think/feel/enjoy/etc. their sound when compared to your other phones (including the VIs)? 

 

I know you are taking your time with these, but I'm not a terribly patient HF'er. ;)

post #4293 of 4722
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Originally Posted by HiFlight View Post

Quite the coincidence! I also use the Comply Ts-400 as my tip of choice for my G2.5. I haven't yet tried them with my LAB, but will do so forthwith. Who knows???

Update: The Ts400 doesn't work for me with my LABs. The weight of the phone breaks the rather light seal I get with the Complys.
post #4294 of 4722
Have you tried the hybrids with the foam inside the tip? They might help with maintaining a seal. That and they'll retain the sig of the stock tips
post #4295 of 4722
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Quite the coincidence! I also use the Comply Ts-400 as my tip of choice for my G2.5. I haven't yet tried them with my LAB, but will do so forthwith. Who knows???

 

Coincidence indeed. I certainly like what it does with the bass. Aside from giving a great seal without a vacuum, the foam dampens the resonance from the occlusion so that the bass is really clean and doesn't intrude on the Lab 1's considerable acoustic ambience. (I think that this is why Complys are the default included tip with the Flat-4 Kaede, an IEM with powerful timbrous bass.)

 

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I am particularly interested in your impressions of the LABs, especially considering you took a break for a few days from them. Tip rolling aside, how do you think/feel/enjoy/etc. their sound when compared to your other phones (including the VIs)? 

 

I know you are taking your time with these, but I'm not a terribly patient HF'er. ;)

 

:-)  Give me some time. I want to focus on rolling music instead of tips.

 

The Lab 1 is an obsessive IEM. I cannot take them out of my ears. I do like them very much. Getting a comfortable fit; getting the sound signature just right; figuring out what Takai-san intended; hold true to it or evolve... these are the issues/questions. It will take some more time.

 

I have decide that to figure out what is really going on, I have to allow myself to enjoy these instead of just testing them, i.e. listen to full albums in different genres. So far, so good.

 

I do have some thoughts already in relation to the Heaven VI but it is early days early. They are certainly both keepers. (Hint: M + both Lab 1 and Heaven VI looks to be a versatile and fine road rig.)

post #4296 of 4722
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Have you tried the hybrids with the foam inside the tip? They might help with maintaining a seal. That and they'll retain the sig of the stock tips

 

The Isolation Sony Hybrids? They are quite rare and yes, that is what I have. That is really the third tip that i want to test:

Comply Ts-400

White Isolation Sony Hybrid

Stock ML Lab 1 tip (one down from the largest)

 

I believe that the answer is somewhere in the above. Or perhaps in more than one.

post #4297 of 4722
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Update: The Ts400 doesn't work for me with my LABs. The weight of the phone breaks the rather light seal I get with the Complys.

 

Interesting. You might need a larger size? Or they may just not be the answer.

 

I am not saying that they are for me - it is early days - but my fit is excellent.

post #4298 of 4722
Yeah, the isolating hybrids. I got some with my EX600 which came packed with a plethora of tips.

The medium LAB I tips are what do it for me. Super comfy, and the slightly tapered tip allows me to get a deeper fit

Hmmm I have some complys around. Might give em a spin just for ghits and shiggles
Edited by Idsynchrono_24 - 8/20/14 at 8:09pm
post #4299 of 4722
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Yeah, the isolating hybrids. I got some with my EX600 which came packed with a plethora of tips.

The medium LAB I tips are what do it for me. Super comfy, and the slightly tapered tip allows me to get a deeper fit

Hmmm I have some complys around. Might give em a spin just for ghits and shiggles

 

It's risk-free fun.  :biggrin:

post #4300 of 4722
True dat. Though for my preferences, the stocks just do it for me. But who knows, maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised?
post #4301 of 4722
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Originally Posted by HiFlight View Post


Update: The Ts400 doesn't work for me with my LABs. The weight of the phone breaks the rather light seal I get with the Complys.

 

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Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post
 

 

Interesting. You might need a larger size? Or they may just not be the answer.

 

I am not saying that they are for me - it is early days - but my fit is excellent.

 

It's risk-free fun.  :biggrin:

 

Well it is risk-free fun but I conclude that it is probably not the answer. It is still a very good listen but the Lab 1 ambience is altered too much.

 

Actually, HiFlight, your post about the seal breaking was kind of inspirational. I have huge ear canals and so have been going deep. Going a bit shallower with the largest stock tips seems to be giving me a good mix of secure fit and the Lab 1 sound.

 

Listening obsessively over here. Still managing to get some work done from time to time.  :-) 


Edited by cooperpwc - 8/21/14 at 1:20am
post #4302 of 4722
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Well it is risk-free fun but I conclude that it is probably not the answer. It is still a very good listen but the Lab 1 ambience is altered too much.

Actually, HiFlight, your post about the seal breaking was kind of inspirational. I have huge ear canals and so have been going deep. Going a bit shallower with the largest stock tips seems to be giving me a good mix of secure fit and the Lab 1 sound.

Listening obsessively over here. Still managing to get some work done from time to time.  :-) 
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Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post



Well it is risk-free fun but I conclude that it is probably not the answer. It is still a very good listen but the Lab 1 ambience is altered too much.

Actually, HiFlight, your post about the seal breaking was kind of inspirational. I have huge ear canals and so have been going deep. Going a bit shallower with the largest stock tips seems to be giving me a good mix of secure fit and the Lab 1 sound.

Listening obsessively over here. Still managing to get some work done from time to time.  :-) 

The largest stock tips also work very well for me. I also have a set of black silicon large-bore tips that are even larger than the biggest stock set and provide an excellent shallow depth seal while sounding very good. Very expansive soundstage. Also getting no work done as there seems to be little demand for retread fighter pilots in this neck of the woods.
post #4303 of 4722

Fighter pilot? Coool...

 

I found my tips for sure. Large stock FTW. I had a great day yesterday out of both the M and GS-X mk2. The Lab 1 is sweet out of the M but it also scales nicely with lots of clean power.

post #4304 of 4722
Have any of you Lab owners tried it with the ak120? Do they play nice together? Ak120 having an output impedance of 3 ohm and the labs having an impedance of 8 looks concerning on paper. Thanks.
post #4305 of 4722
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Originally Posted by nogi replicant View Post

Have any of you Lab owners tried it with the ak120? Do they play nice together? Ak120 having an output impedance of 3 ohm and the labs having an impedance of 8 looks concerning on paper. Thanks.

While I don't own the AK120, I do find my LABs to sound very good with my Tera-Player which has an output impedance higher than the AK120.
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