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Just a quick note: I've been listening to the Lab 1 with the Calyx M: fabulous rich and organic sound with this combination. In case anyone is looking for a good combination with the Lab 1.

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Hi Kiats,

It's good to see you have the legendary Lab1 in yout hands.

Care to share your personal opinions / impressions on Takai san's final (masterpiece) design?

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by lescanadiens View Post

Hi Kiats,

It's good to see you have the legendary Lab1 in yout hands.

Care to share your personal opinions / impressions on Takai san's final (masterpiece) design?

Thanks!

 

Hey! How are things going?

 

Yes, I went down practically the next day after I heard the news. How could I miss out on the maestro's last challenge to our preconceptions of how audiophile music should sound? It was very emotional, I must confess.

 

Well, my view on this is that the Lab 1 is the FIBASS's darker brother. Both have the same aim - raw emotions to be gleaned form the music. The challenge here is that although it is darker and richer, it is still amazingly clear and you don't seem to lose any details. And, of course, you get the emotions from the music.

 

If you love the FIBASS, the Lab 1 is a fitting companion. Different perspective, but great nonetheless. 

 

No one but Takai san could have thought if you join two BA drivers, you get this sort of magic... And until this came out, would you have expected Final Audio Design to come up with something as revealing as FIBASS with a darker tone?

 

I have also tried it with my AK240: stellar results. You feel the nuances from Shelby Lynne's tribute album to Dusty Springfield and the craftsmanship of Diana Krall. 

 

The Lab 1 is a keeper! Along with my FIBASS and the rest of the PF series. :atsmile: 

post #4054 of 6793
Thank you for asking Kiats!
Things have been great.

I think you summed up nicely the musicality aspects of Lab1. Make one wants to hunt these beauties down indeed!

From the technical perspectives, what would you say about Lab1? (Soundstage, separation. Etc?)
post #4055 of 6793
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Originally Posted by Kiats View Post
 

Just a quick note: I've been listening to the Lab 1 with the Calyx M: fabulous rich and organic sound with this combination. In case anyone is looking for a good combination with the Lab 1.

 

Cool. I am not sure that I will ever get the Lab 1 but I am really looking forward to the M + Heaven VI combo, and also with the 1601SC and PF IX.

 

(I may have to revisit the FIBASS too. I did not feel the magic the first time. It was also a very different rig driving it.)

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Originally Posted by Kiats View Post
 

Well, my view on this is that the Lab 1 is the FIBASS's darker brother. Both have the same aim - raw emotions to be gleaned form the music. The challenge here is that although it is darker and richer, it is still amazingly clear and you don't seem to lose any details.

 

Agreed. I've only had a short time with the LAB 1, but this is a very accurate description. :smile_phones:

post #4057 of 6793
Which is better? FAD HEAVEN VI or Zero Audio Tenores?
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Originally Posted by lescanadiens View Post

... Make one wants to hunt these beauties down indeed!

From the technical perspectives, what would you say about Lab1? (Soundstage, separation. Etc?)
 

 

If you don't mind, I'll jump in and share a few thoughts. 

 

First, earlier impressions of LAB I

 

 

Kiats is probably using the best terms we have, in our audio vocabulary as it stands, to describe the LAB I. 

 

I've been back and forth with a few Head-Fiers over the LAB, and we've come to the conclusion that it really just kind of defies tradition as we know it. For example, "dark" is likely the most accurate term we can use to describe the presentation for those that have not heard it, however, "dark" also embodies a lot of implications that the LAB does not have. So we do not consider them dark, but rather... indescribable really. We can't figure out how to describe it. It's a very difficult phone to describe. 

 

In fact, we've even struggled with term "bright" regarding the LAB as well. Again, because of the ideas the surround the term "bright." Here is a snippet from an email exchange: 

 

"Just like you have a hard time describing the Lab I...   How can you describe some midrange that is glorious, vibrant and full, without it losing its reference characteristics or being too warm? How can you have ultra detailed and transparent high end without it being bright at all?"

 

It's hard to talk about since they do not have an over glorified and "hi-fi" sort of bling up high. They sound natural, like real sound, not like earphones. 

 

All of the texture, and beauty, sparkle, detail - and especially refinement, is all there, but it does not have to be bright to do it. It absolutely is not rolled off in any way, it extends very, very low. And all the way up. But the highs don't need a boost up high to do it.

 

And speaking of low-end extension, not impact, they go lower, more accurately, than any audio device I've ever heard, including the Abyss. They hit notes the Abyss does not. Abyss is more fun down low, has more punch and rhythm, but the LAB reaches down low effortlessly. 

 

They are my favorite FAD to date. 

 

The soundstage is not overly large. It's not projected like some IEMs, it's not artificially large. It is just right sounding. Everything has plenty of room to breath, but the LAB can be intimate with Norah's vocals, and draw you in and do a big band style supreme justice.

 

Imaging, separation and cohesion are all top class. Everything is perfectly clear, in its right place, and no muddling, blending, or smearing of any sort. The cohesive separation is a standout here.

 

They refute all the ideas of "dark," and "bright" but have the greatest characteristics of each. It sounds so very natural, real, lifelike.

 

I love them so much, and at this time so difficult to obtain in the US, I am very protective of them. I bought a bomb-proof safe to store them in, bolted that into the foundation, and put the LAB in waterproof and fireproof containers, with silica gel to ensure any moisture does no damage. I've never thought about doing that with any earphone before. That's ridiculous. 

 

You just have to spend some time with them. That's the only way to get a feel for what they sound like. They defy our audio paradigm.

 

 

 

More Snips

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"I had a moment listening to the Lab I that I was dumbfounded with how fantastic they sounded. I used to say that the Abyss made every other headphone sound like, a headphone. The Abyss was leagues more natural and lifelike sounding to me. To some extent, with some stuff, Lab I makes the Abyss sound like headphones."

 

"These might be the most absorbing and engaging audio device I’ve heard. I just hang on every vibration, in a musical way. They sound so damn realistic and natural, and effortless in its grandeur. "

 

"The guy I bought them from said he only put a couple hours on them and still might need a little run-in. Of course it’s hard to tell if I’m heading down that magical path of unabashed and strange love for a Final Audio device. But these are sounding more and more beautiful as I listen. I have not gotten even a tiny bit “used to” the sound. I look forward to what each note brings, with zero desire for anything else.

 

I wish I could find a girl like that. 

 

But really, not even the Abyss.

 

 

 

 

And I loved those things too man. But this, this is what I’m here for."

post #4059 of 6793
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Originally Posted by LanceP11 View Post

Which is better? FAD HEAVEN VI or Zero Audio Tenores?

 

They are not even remotely similar sounding IEMs my friend, what kind of sound are you looking for?

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Lush, thick, smooth, yet clear for detail retrieval smily_headphones1.gif
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Originally Posted by LanceP11 View Post

Lush, thick, smooth, yet clear for detail retrieval smily_headphones1.gif

 

Sounds like the Heaven VI to me!

post #4062 of 6793
O M G !!

Hats off to you SoundFreaq and Kiats!

Really really beautiful and articulate description of this masterpiece!

I also read from another forum that somebody prefer his Lab1 than his HD800 headphones.
Now the Abyss comparisons.

Musicality at the highest order!

Takai san's Piece De Resistance, it is!

He must be smiling when he read your posts here ;-)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

If you don't mind, I'll jump in and share a few thoughts. 

First, earlier impressions of LAB I


Kiats is probably using the best terms we have, in our audio vocabulary as it stands, to describe the LAB I. 

I've been back and forth with a few Head-Fiers over the LAB, and we've come to the conclusion that it really just kind of defies tradition as we know it. For example, "dark" is likely the most accurate term we can use to describe the presentation for those that have not heard it, however, "dark" also embodies a lot of implications that the LAB does not have. So we do not consider them dark, but rather... indescribable really. We can't figure out how to describe it. It's a very difficult phone to describe. 

In fact, we've even struggled with term "bright" regarding the LAB as well. Again, because of the ideas the surround the term "bright." Here is a snippet from an email exchange: 

"Just like you have a hard time describing the Lab I...   How can you describe some midrange that is glorious, vibrant and full, without it losing its reference characteristics or being too warm? How can you have ultra detailed and transparent high end without it being bright at all?"

It's hard to talk about since they do not have an over glorified and "hi-fi" sort of bling up high. They sound natural, like real sound, not like earphones. 

All of the texture, and beauty, sparkle, detail - and especially refinement, is all there, but it does not have to be bright to do it. It absolutely is not rolled off in any way, it extends very, very low. And all the way up. But the highs don't need a boost up high to do it.

And speaking of low-end extension, not impact, they go lower, more accurately, than any audio device I've ever heard, including the Abyss. They hit notes the Abyss does not. Abyss is more fun down low, has more punch and rhythm, but the LAB reaches down low effortlessly. 

They are my favorite FAD to date. 

The soundstage is not overly large. It's not projected like some IEMs, it's not artificially large. It is just right sounding. Everything has plenty of room to breath, but the LAB can be intimate with Norah's vocals, and draw you in and do a big band style supreme justice.

Imaging, separation and cohesion are all top class. Everything is perfectly clear, in its right place, and no muddling, blending, or smearing of any sort. The cohesive separation is a standout here.

They refute all the ideas of "dark," and "bright" but have the greatest characteristics of each. It sounds so very natural, real, lifelike.

I love them so much, and at this time so difficult to obtain in the US, I am very protective of them. I bought a bomb-proof safe to store them in, bolted that into the foundation, and put the LAB in waterproof and fireproof containers, with silica gel to ensure any moisture does no damage. I've never thought about doing that with any earphone before. That's ridiculous. 

You just have to spend some time with them. That's the only way to get a feel for what they sound like. They defy our audio paradigm.



More Snips
_____

"I had a moment listening to the Lab I that I was dumbfounded with how fantastic they sounded. I used to say that the Abyss made every other headphone sound like, a headphone. The Abyss was leagues more natural and lifelike sounding to me. To some extent, with some stuff, Lab I makes the Abyss sound like headphones."

"These might be the most absorbing and engaging audio device I’ve heard. I just hang on every vibration, in a musical way. They sound so damn realistic and natural, and effortless in its grandeur. "

"The guy I bought them from said he only put a couple hours on them and still might need a little run-in. Of course it’s hard to tell if I’m heading down that magical path of unabashed and strange love for a Final Audio device. But these are sounding more and more beautiful as I listen. I have not gotten even a tiny bit “used to” the sound. I look forward to what each note brings, with zero desire for anything else.

I wish I could find a girl like that. 

But really, not even the Abyss.






And I loved those things too man. But this, this is what I’m here for."
post #4063 of 6793
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Originally Posted by lescanadiens View Post

O M G !!

Hats off to you SoundFreaq and Kiats!

Really really beautiful and articulate description of this masterpiece!

I also read from another forum that somebody prefer his Lab1 than his HD800 headphones.
Now the Abyss comparisons.

Musicality at the highest order!

Takai san's Piece De Resistance, it is!

He must be smiling when he read your posts here ;-)

Thanks! smily_headphones1.gif The Lab 1 is a beautiful work of art. Takai San is challenging our preconceived views on dark lush sigs. Another master class by the Master. smily_headphones1.gif
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Time to bid adieu...

 

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Beautifully composed photo, Tomscy2000.
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