Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors › Final Audio Design Impressions and Discussion Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Final Audio Design Impressions and Discussion Thread - Page 165

post #2461 of 5746
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post


I took physics too. I understand how waves work. How they can break down and amplify themselves. 

I think whatever distortion is left in the Heaven VI after a long day at work sounds just right to my ears. In fact, I would crown Final Audio Design as the distortion kings. It's like finding the Higgs Boson. It's small, but when you find it, your whole world comes together. 

I don't think his comment was argumentative. I forgot most of physics class so it helped me frown.gif

I really just wanted to comment on your prose being pretty lol.
post #2462 of 5746
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inks View Post

that comparison doesn't apply as IEMs are trying to generate a signal rather than creating a new one...

 

Your conclusion is actually an assumption. It tells us what you like. My IEMs definitely are altering the signal. If I didn't think that way, i would not buy FAD.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Personally a distortion-less IEM like the RE400 has a much more natural timbre as IEMs with high distortion can make certain instruments sound kind of wrong, though sometimes that colored timbre makes certain other instruments seem more euphoric, but this makes things more specialized. 

 

Your commentary here is more genuine. It is your personal taste, i.e. the ER4. Such a person will not like FAD. 

post #2463 of 5746
Quote:
Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post

 

Your conclusion is actually an assumption. It tells us what you like. My IEMs definitely are altering the signal. If I didn't think that way, i would not buy FAD.

 

 

Your commentary here is more genuine. It is your personal taste, i.e. the ER4. Such a person will not like FAD. 

No, IEMs, headphones, speakers, etc.are extracting information, not solely trying to create an own sound, thus the comparison made earlier didn't apply. There's nothing wrong with altering a signal, it's just a compromise, which will just make it more specialized. I actually mentioned how the ER4 and FAD are similar in distortion aspects,it's the RE400 that differs. It's very clear I'm a purist, so by my criteria, the FAD loses points here, but I also recognize it's part of their tuning, which I found euphoric in specific matters with the old Heaven series, but becomes less versatile. FAD improved their tonality a lot, so really looking forward to hearing the Heaven V-A


Edited by Inks - 6/20/13 at 1:15am
post #2464 of 5746

Inks, there is no point in our going around in circles on this. Actually I generally like your post above. I just want to say that when you draw this hard line...

 

Quote:
No, IEMs, headphones, speakers, etc.are extracting information, not solely trying to create an own sound, thus the comparison made earlier didn't apply...

 

that reflects your priorities. It is personal taste so it indeed does not apply for you. Fair enough. And yet there is a lot of activity in the headphone world, particularly IEMs, from those and to those for whom it does apply. An example is the Ocharaku Flat4-KAEDA. That maple chamber is nothing if not a resonance creator. It may not appeal to you but it does to others.

 

Okay, that is my final word on this and I will allow you yours then bite my lip.  :-)

post #2465 of 5746
Quote:
Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post

Inks, there is no point in our going around in circles on this. Actually I generally like your post above. I just want to say that when you draw this hard line...

 

 

that reflects your priorities. It is personal taste so it indeed does not apply for you. Fair enough. And yet there is a lot of activity in the headphone world, particularly IEMs, from those and to those for whom it does apply. An example is the Ocharaku Flat4-KAEDA. That maple chamber is nothing if not a resonance creator. It may not appeal to you but it does to others.

 

Okay, that is my final word on this and I will allow you yours then bite my lip.  :-)

Thing is, if headphones aren't trying to extract information where is the fidelity coming from? why get high-bitrate songs if that's the case? Just critiquing the example used. What FAD is doing with their new Heavens is having a more flat tonal balance but keeping the distortion high, which I guess it's in their taste, I already pointed my criteria on that, regardless they're making progress and so their new Heaven series is actually quite interesting. 
 
It's not proven the KAEDA's maple is a resonant creator, if anything, it may decrease distortion, avoid resonance, it will depend on implementation. 

Edited by Inks - 6/20/13 at 2:56am
post #2466 of 5746
Hmm Heaven V Aging sounds flat with a bass boost. I don't like the midbass but its accompanied by a nice euphoric subbass, so ill take that compromise.
Soundstage and imaging sound nothing special, though good.

It falls apart at high volumes though, distortion takes its toll.
post #2467 of 5746

I hope you all like this one. 

 

 

 


Edited by woodcans - 6/20/13 at 7:25pm
post #2468 of 5746
Stunning woodcans, as per usual, I love the contrast of blue against gold.
post #2469 of 5746
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Soundstage and imaging sound nothing special, though good.

 

I wonder whether soundstage has possibly taken a hit, when going from a vented to an unvented design with the new Heaven series.

 

I've been using the older Heaven A more frequently lately and their soundstage is simply amazing, much more out-of-head than with my Sony XBA-3 for example.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by woodcans View Post

I hope you all like this one. 

 

If I were their CEO, I'd hire you. tongue_smile.gif

post #2470 of 5746
Quote:
Originally Posted by james444 View Post

 

I wonder whether soundstage has possibly taken a hit, when going from a vented to an unvented design with the new Heaven series.

 

I've been using the older Heaven A more frequently lately and their soundstage is simply amazing, much more out-of-head than with my Sony XBA-3 for example.

  Not that much smaller, the new Heaven series is better IMO. 

post #2471 of 5746

I know that I get a fairly unique fit with the BA sitting right inside my ear canal, but I have never heard so three dimensional a sound stage as what I am getting from the VI. It is not huge but it is so compelling.

 

YMMV even more than usual.  :-)

post #2472 of 5746

Your fit is proper for these, my fit is a tad deeper, semi-deep is good. 

post #2473 of 5746

Not sure how you feel about crossfeed but since you get a deep fit, try throwing that into the mix. That is when the sound stage added another dimension for me.

post #2474 of 5746
Will do!
post #2475 of 5746
A few impressions on my portable setups and synergy issues.

I now have the Heaven V Aging along with my Heaven IV in this series. I feel both the Heaven IV and V both scale well with my main DAC/Amp system, but with relatively short cables, and no portability, this is not a practical setup for me most of the time. I have full sized headphones for this purpose.

I ordered a Pico Power amp. partially to give me portability with my full sized headphones, but also to use with my IEMs. I was surprised that it doesn't work as well for me with my FADs, when compared to my Total BitHead. I have compared both out of my iPod Classic (160 GB) using a Whiplash LOD to the amplifiers. I realize that I am using the iPod's internal DAC in this setup which may be playing a major role in the sound.

With my FAD earphones, the first word that comes to mind to describe the Pico's presentation is 'punchy'. It has a strong bass presence to my ears and a fairly small but well defined soundstage. To describe its sound signature in visual terms, I would characterize its sound as an oil painting compared to the BitHead's watercolor, or using bold font in a document. This does not play well, IMO, with my FADs, but I understand from reading the Pico thread, that others are very happy with the Pico Power with their IEMs. Maybe it is just a matter of personal taste and not synergy issues necessarily.

As the Pico was advertised as a portable amp. for hard to drive headphones, with its two 9 volt batteries, it definitely plays well and differently to my ears with full sized headphones, as one might expect. I have only tried it so far with my Shure 1840s, which were easy to drive even on the Pico's low gain setting ( it has 3 settings!), and I felt this combination seemed to retain the Shures' fairly neutral sound, very well, with some additional bass emphasis. The soundstage, while not up to that of my main system, did not seem to contract as it seemed to do with the FADs, when compared to the BitHead.

As I would still like to improve my portable system, I am now considering buying an Algorythm Solo R or a Fostex HP-P1, and I wanted to see if anyone has tried their FADs with these products with an iPod as the source. Soundstage dimensions are a very important characteristic to me to give me that ' Live' experience, and as I find all of the FADs to have a very good soundstage, this is a characteristic I would like to experience in my portable setups. Not IE8 size soundstage by any means, but one that is very natural, fairly large, and well defined.
Edited by Ridleyguy - 6/21/13 at 12:51pm
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors › Final Audio Design Impressions and Discussion Thread