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Thanks James, that means alot!

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... here is a shot of this wonderful amp with the PF's and my 801 (oh, and an interloper!) together this lot make such beautiful music!

  

 

That's really nice, Ian!  I could see spending a few hours sitting right there!   

 

T5p or PF IX?   Decisions, decisions...

 

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Mike

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Thanks so much mike, I must admit quite a few hours are spent with this lot. When it is quiet the PF's come out to play and when noisier the T5P's which just seal out everything. The more hours on those the more I love the way they portray music!

How are your tubes going?
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I felt compelled this morning to try and reach out and bring some understanding to a few people

 

Worthy of a Headphoneus Supremus inauguration speech. Congrats!  smile_phones.gif

 

If I may, I'll add that if SoundFreaq weren't a Headphoneus Supremus now, I would have thought his post was utter rubbish—that is, only a few days ago (when he was still not a HS), I'd have mocked his post—but now I can only bow to SoundFreaq.

On a more serious and customs-related note, even though I had started a (now locked) thread four years ago that often dealt with the hype, misinformation, shills, shill-types, etc. surrounding the world of (high-end) customs, the more serious "paradigm shift", in my case, occurred when I got the $500 EX1000, the $350 (at the time) MDR-7550 and, subsequently, the still very underrated FI-BA-SB (Heaven S). Our most friendly and ever so helpful sparrow dude, who goes by the name of music_4321, came across quite a few not so friendly characters in that thread and, as a result, several posts were removed by the mods, including, unfortunately, some valuable / useful ones. At one point, after the thread was dormant for quite a while, it suddenly became very active. (the thread reached 32 pages and was suddenly locked two years ago)

There has indeed been a change in the last couple of years, and though many people still think they 'need' to take the customs route at some point to get top SQ—plenty of hype still—more and more people seem to be aware of the real—read: factual, unbiased—benefits and downsides of customs.

The best part of SoundFreaq's post, for me personally, was the lack of the following terms: CIEM, CIEMs, UIEM & UIEMs, (Old fart? You bet.) — this may seem like a joke of sorts, but, in fact, it is not, as, to me, the lack of those trems is akin to the proper use of silence in music, where silence is an integral part of… music.


Edited by music_4321 - 6/7/13 at 1:38pm
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Thank you German Guy, as I said on the ASP thread I am so happy to have others owning this amp so we can exchange views!

Oh, I wil post this over there as well but here is a shot of this wonderful amp with the PF's and my 801 (oh, and an interloper!) together this lot make such beautiful music!

AppleMark

 

 

That tu-05 is mad scientist pretty. With the PF IX above it, I'm not sure it's safe to look directly at it.

 

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I did read it and I meant to comment. I thought you were spot on, and the review was an asset to this thread on a fine earphone. Glad you're enjoying them!

 

 

 

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Absolutely.

 

Thanks guys!

I know it must have taken the better part of a day to get through it. smile.gif

So, I'm thinking I'll try the whole economy of words thing next time.

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That tu-05 is mad scientist pretty. With the PF IX above it, I'm not sure it's safe to look directly at it.


I love that! Mad scientist!! Perfect description. I just noticed looking at it that the PF's do not look that much smaller than the tubes! blink.gif
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If I could only have one phone, the HD800 would be my number one choice. If the HD800 did not exist (and I could only keep one phone), it'd be the K3003. Then, it'd be the FI-BA-SS (if there was no HD800 or K3003).

 

BUT, the 160Xs really seem to be a necessity, and I'm not joking at all when I say this — the 160Xs are utterly compelling. So, I'd do all I could to have the HD800 + one of my 160Xs, or K3003 + one of my 160Xs, or FI-BA-SS + one of my 160Xs. Bottom line: since I finally found an incredibly comfortable AND truly great-sounding full-sized phone (HD800), I have no real need for IEMs since I do most of my music listening at home. BUT, the 160Xs still are an absolute must in my life — these days the HD800s take up a good 60-65% of my ear-time and the 160Xs a good 35-40%. I don't know, if I'm to be 100% honest, I might perhaps take one of my 160Xs over the FI-BA-SS if there was no HD800 & K3003 — I'd only ask—in this imaginary scenario—to be allowed to spend a month with each to make up my mind.

 

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In the short time I have had both series, If one isn't working for me then I switch to the other, but I personally find the PF IXs less fussy about source, and easier to live with overall. I would use the example that the PFs let you listen to one coherent musical presentation , while the FI-BA-SS can focus you, depending on your mood, on every sound on the track, such as breathing, etc., whether the piano is out of tune, how the track has been miked and mixed , etc., etc.which can all be very distracting.

 

Looking back at what I posted yesterday (highlighted bits), if I wasn't given any time to spend with the 1601SS, PF IX & FI-BA-SS (not so sure I'd quite put it the way you do for the latter, though I can certainly see where you're coming from), and was forced to choose one of them, I think I'd choose the 1601SS.


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Looking back at what I posted yesterday (highlighted bits), if I wasn't given any time to spend with the 1601SS, PF IX & FI-BA-SS (not so sure I'd quite put it the way you do for the latter, though I can certainly see where you're coming from), and was forced to choose one of them, I think I'd choose the 1601SS.


And I wouldn't say you are wrong. But if you mainly listen to Classical from the 60's on like I do, the PFs are a lot less fussy about what is upstream from them, and the SQ of the recording, and they are without peer in presenting the live ambiance of a concert hall of presentation, IMO. Technically , they may not be superior to the 160xs, but their musicality is unsurpassed, IMO. For classical music lovers, I would put these right up their with the best full sized headphones, with the caveat that I haven't heard recent TOTL models like the Stax SR009. I can't comment on FitEars and other highly regarded IEMs or CIEMs.
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Speaking if classical, I really want music to get his hands on a pair of 1plus2. I have heard nothing short of the 009 that does classical so well, with such conviction!

 

I'll have my HD800 tomorrow and I will do a classical music showdown. 

 

By the way, I played violin for 6 years in a program through the University of Texas School of Music. I am classically trained and also listen to a lot of classical music. 

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I haven't spent a lot of time with the HD800, but auditioned it at CanJam in Chicago a few years ago. As I had owned Magneplanar speakers in the past, I was leaning toward buying the LCD-2 v.1 at the time, which I also auditioned there on the Cavalli amp. prototype. My wallet is hoping that you don't get me thinking about getting an HD800 again.
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And I wouldn't say you are wrong. But if you mainly listen to Classical from the 60's on like I do, the PFs are a lot less fussy about what is upstream from them, and the SQ of the recording, and they are without peer in presenting the live ambiance of a concert hall of presentation, IMO. Technically , they may not be superior to the 160xs, but their musicality is unsurpassed, IMO. For classical music lovers, I would put these right up their with the best full sized headphones, with the caveat that I haven't heard recent TOTL models like the Stax SR009. I can't comment on FitEars and other highly regarded IEMs or CIEMs.

 

I think you meant the 1601s? (bolded text). Whenever I speak of the 160Xs, I'm always referring to both the 1601s & 1602s (aka the PFs). I don't find the 1601s to be technically superior to the 1602s, and, FWIW, I find myself reaching more often for my 1602s as, to this day, I'm still surprised at how they manage to grab my ears, heart & body in ways my HD800s, K3003s. 1601SS & FI-BA-SS don't (for some of the music I listen to), hence why I still "need" these unique IEMs. Now, the 1601SS, while very, very close sonically, has a tad more airiness which I think might make me choose them over the 1602SS, but only in the scenario I described in my previous posts ("If I had to choose only one...and X & Y phones did not exist..."), ie while SQ-wise the 1601SS is definitely not placed in the middle between the FI-BA-SS & 1602SS, the 1601SS is just a tad less idiosyncratic / unapologetic, which would allow me to enjoy a bit more music with them.

 

Like you, a lot of the classical music I listen to has been recorded in the 60s, 70s & 80s, though I tend to listen more to chamber & solo music than orchestral / symphonic works. But, no matter what subgenres of classical music, I don't personally find the FI-BA-SS "distracting" and, in fact, it's precisely with orchestral works that I tend (though not always) to prefer them over the 160Xs.

 

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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

Speaking if classical, I really want music to get his hands on a pair of 1plus2. I have heard nothing short of the 009 that does classical so well, with such conviction!

 

I'll have my HD800 tomorrow and I will do a classical music showdown. 

 

By the way, I played violin for 6 years in a program through the University of Texas School of Music. I am classically trained and also listen to a lot of classical music. 

 

I'm curious about the 1p2, yes, but not that curious, really (more curious about the Parterre and, to a lesser extent, the much cheaper SonicDiver SD2). Apart from a couple of non-SQ aspects that don't appeal to me much, the 1p2's midrange descriptions by several people make me think I might not be fully convinced as I'm someone who craves and values a good / solid midrange a great deal. Also, my impression is that, although the 1p2 has been hyped quite a bit mostly by a couple of members, the actual sonic differences between it and the K3003s are not as marked as some claim (let's not forget the K3003s have been rather maligned by 2-3 people who, in turn, have been instrumental in the parroting / regurgitating we've seen for quite some time by other members [the so-called incoherence & treble peaks issues mostly]. FWIW, one member who hardly ever posts on the 1p2 thread owned—not just auditioned—both IEMs and decided to keep the AKGs).

As noted a while ago, I'd really love to try the SR-009 (and also the SR-007 Mk I & II), but that won't be happening in the foreseeable future (unless perhaps one day one of my trips to the UK happens to coincide with a HF UK meet…). I honestly wonder, though, whether my ears would tell me that any of those Stax phones would be a marked sonic upgrade over the HD800s to warrant a possible purchase, all the more considering the huge price difference between the Senns & the Stax.

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Music, IwishthatyouwouldstoptalkingabouttheK3003. 

 

(You know that I am in the market for a dynamic or semi-dynamic vented design and those are on the list. I don't need the temptation just now.) 

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FYI, according to some ancient manuscripts, the K3003s are bad-karmaproof (I believe it's something to do with certain subtle—but key—differences between the Germans and the Austrians); the 1p2s aren't.

 

(I suggest you try to audition both)

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Phew! I would hate to think that you were someone that could deal out the sarcasm but not take it.  ;-)

 

(In fact, that is exactly what I will do. I have already touched base to meet with Gavin in late summer/fall to hear the 1Plus2 and will audition the K3003 properly on that same trip.)

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I'm curious about the 1p2, yes, but not that curious, ...

 

FWIW, one member who hardly ever posts on the 1p2 thread owned—not just auditioned—both IEMs and decided to keep the AKGs).

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(In fact, that is exactly what I will do. I have already touched base to meet with Gavin in late summer/fall to hear the 1Plus2 and will audition the K3003 properly on that same trip.)

 

Short OT remark, I have both the K3003 and 1plus2 here side by side and can absolutely see why some folks would prefer the former over the latter (and vice versa).

Need a little more time, but will eventually post impressions in the respective threads.

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