or Connect
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors › Final Audio Design Impressions and Discussion Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Final Audio Design Impressions and Discussion Thread - Page 143

post #2131 of 6690

I'm excited for those HD800's. music, are they your favorite listening experience despite your extensive experience with a line of audio devices that trounce logic and pull at the heart strings?

post #2132 of 6690
Quote:
Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

 

This time not so sure I get what you're saying..

 

I typed in a hurry and should not have, in any event. I was trying to (simply) state, that I would really like to hear what your impressions of the Heaven series would be, if you ever had the chance to audition them. It was meant as a compliment, in all seriousness.

post #2133 of 6690
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

I'm excited for those HD800's. music, are they your favorite listening experience despite your extensive experience with a line of audio devices that trounce logic and pull at the heart strings?

 

 

If I could only have one phone, the HD800 would be my number one choice. If the HD800 did not exist (and I could only keep one phone), it'd be the K3003. Then, it'd be the FI-BA-SS (if there was no HD800 or K3003).

 

BUT, the 160Xs really seem to be a necessity, and I'm not joking at all when I say this — the 160Xs are utterly compelling. So, I'd do all I could to have the HD800 + one of my 160Xs, or K3003 + one of my 160Xs, or FI-BA-SS + one of my 160Xs. Bottom line: since I finally found an incredibly comfortable AND truly great-sounding full-sized phone (HD800), I have no real need for IEMs since I do most of my music listening at home. BUT, the 160Xs still are an absolute must in my life — these days the HD800s take up a good 60-65% of my ear-time and the 160Xs a good 35-40%. I don't know, if I'm to be 100% honest, I might perhaps take one of my 160Xs over the FI-BA-SS if there was no HD800 & K3003 — I'd only ask—in this imaginary scenario—to be allowed to spend a month with each to make up my mind.

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by woodcans View Post

I typed in a hurry and should not have, in any event. I was trying to (simply) state, that I would really like to hear what your impressions of the Heaven series would be, if you ever had the chance to audition them. It was meant as a compliment, in all seriousness.

 

   :)    (still hate all your pics!)


Edited by music_4321 - 6/6/13 at 2:57pm
post #2134 of 6690

Thanks for the info, music. Now you really have me anxiously awaiting the HD800 arrival. 

post #2135 of 6690

If any of you are in Japan, it seems like FAD has a rental program going on 

 

For 10 days, you can try out

  • Piano Forte 8,9,10 & FA-BA-SS for 3000 yen (Set A)
  • Heaven 4, 5, 5 aging, 6 & Adagio V for 1500 yen (Set B)

 

http://final-audio-design-directshop.com/final/7.1/SET-AB/#

 

Anyone want to do a comparison for me? biggrin.gif

post #2136 of 6690
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

The IV and VI will have the most difference. 

 

All I am saying is that the V is really similar to the VI. Same, it is not. I guess it's all about priorities. For me, I am glad I have both and will keep both. But I am also an avid FAD fan. If you're not, and you like what the Heaven V does, and the spot it fills, but are not interested in hearing all the similarities and differences in the Heaven line (like us), then there's no need to go VI from V. If you have the money, and you like exploring FAD, go for it. I would just think a lot of people would rather spend around $500 bucks on something completely different, rather than going for something that is so very similar. But that's what makes us special. 

 

There have been both camps represented here in this thread. Those looking to see what the small differences are like, and those wondering if the VI is a leap from the V, which it is not. 

 

Yes, I would rather listen to the V than my ES5. Over all, I prefer the VI over the V - the sound and the looks, but it's not by much. If I did not have either one, I would go for the VI, and that's what I tell people. But If you have the V, trust me, you're not missing much. Spending the cash is up to you. 

 

Now this phrasing makes more sense to me. Whether it is worth $500 to upgrade is a valid question. It is also one that would be applied endlessly in our diminishing marginal returns hobby where improvements are subtle. Again I was doubting the statement ""I think if you have the V, no reason to go to VI unless you just love the look" which essentially denied that there was any meaningful sound difference whatsoever. This struck me as a tad flip. 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

Housing material does play a role in differentiating the overall sound of FAD's models in my experience, though I would personally characterize it as subtle. Another thing to consider is that FAD employs a very unique means of damping their earphones. Having talked to some folks who opened theirs up (yikes!), they've all reported a very curious sand-like material inside of them. It's likely FAD uses this in conjunction with the different housing materials to tune their earphones. Even if they used the same BA drivers across their product range, they could achieve audible differences in sound based on these methods. This is consistent with what I've personally experienced.

 

Their copper earphones tend to sound thicker and more lush to me, and the Heaven VI is no exception. Keep in mind my previous qualifier of it being a subtle difference. Indeed, I hear the Heaven V and VI as being more similar than dissimilar personally, just like I hear the Piano Forte models as being more alike than not. However the difference is there to my ears: the Heaven VI sounds slightly more full bodied than the V. Part of this has to do with a very slight difference in bass presence as I noted in my earlier impressions. However it also has to do with a genuine timbrel difference I hear in FAD's copper models.

 

Again, it's a slight difference. Of course "slight" to me might be someone else's negligible or yet another person's pronounced. Also bass response in particular can be influenced by numerous factors. I mean, there was a vendor in Japan who swore there were even differences in bass between the Heaven V and V Aging. I didn't detect this, but I believe they genuinely did.

 

Ah! This is exactly what I would expect as the comparison between the Heaven V and Heaven VI.

post #2137 of 6690
Quote:
Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

 

How can someone with such impeccable writing skills insist on using "timbrel" instead of "timbral"? Are they related or interchangeable at all? (honest question) And if they are (I really don't think they are, but I might be wrong), is it perhaps MF's way of being a little like our awfully charming sparrow who refuses to use "CIEM" and always insists on using "customs" or "custom IEMs"? A not so serious enquiring mind wants to know.

 

 

It's a quirk of mine.

 

Many dictionaries (well the fashionable ones, anyway) don't recognize "timbral" as an actual word for whatever reason. As a result spellcheckers tend to auto-correct it to "timbrel."

 

A timbrel is in actuality a small tambourine of Middle Eastern origin, a type of timbre drum. Thus my quirk could be explained in one of several ways:

 

  • I have an aversion to squiggly red lines. I also dislike challenging computerized authority figures, so I tend to not teach spellcheckers new words unless they're proper nouns.
  • I have a specific infatuation for the timbrel as an instrument and want to remind myself of it every now and then.
  • Relating to the above point, I've been secretly wishing someone would bring this very point up so that I would have yet another opportunity to talk about the timbrel instrument. Thank you, Sir Sparrow.
  • Alternatively, I've been forced by academia to expound upon a lengthy thesis about the timbrel instrument, and as a result the word "timbrel" is engrained into my subconscious and reflexively comes out thanks to muscle memory. A force of habit.
  • I do it to be archaic and contrarian, as "timbrel" is derived from timbre just as much as "timbral" is, and is used as a descriptor with a similar connotation in naming the instrument. In fact timbre itself is derived from "bell" and "drum." Likely older in origin, I insist on using it instead.
  • I do it specifically as a means of rebelling against audiophile norms, albeit in a subtle way so as to save face with many serious audiophiles.
  • It's a self satirizing meme of mine.
  • I don't notice the auto-correction of "timbral" to "timbrel" most of the time.
  • Some combination of the above.

Edited by MuppetFace - 6/6/13 at 5:15pm
post #2138 of 6690
Quote:
Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post

 

Now this phrasing makes more sense to me. Whether it is worth $500 to upgrade is a valid question. It is also one that would be applied endlessly in our diminishing marginal returns hobby where improvements are subtle. Again I was doubting the statement ""I think if you have the V, no reason to go to VI unless you just love the look" which essentially denied that there was any meaningful sound difference whatsoever. This struck me as a tad flip. 

 

 

 

Sorry about that Paul, I should have been more clear. Afterall, this is the FAD thread. Nothing here is taken lightly. I'll be sure to be more clear in the future. 

 

I also think you have an owner's bias to a certain extent. If the V is the same as the VI, then why did you just pay more for it? Completely valid. In my opinion, if you did not own either pair, you made the right decision by picking up the VI.

 

What are your thoughts on it compared to your ES5? To paraphrase quickly, the FAD magical mid is there, whereas the ES5 sounds congested to me, and the VI excels at imaging and soundstage over the ES5 as well.  

post #2139 of 6690
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

 

Sorry about that Paul, I should have been more clear. Afterall, this is the FAD thread. Nothing here is taken lightly. I'll be sure to be more clear in the future. 

 

I also think you have an owner's bias to a certain extent.  Oh for sure.  :-)    If the V is the same as the VI, then why did you just pay more for it? Completely valid. In my opinion, if you did not own either pair, you made the right decision by picking up the VI.

 

What are your thoughts on it compared to your ES5? To paraphrase quickly, the FAD magical mid is there, whereas the ES5 sounds congested to me, and the VI excels at imaging and soundstage over the ES5 as well.  

 

Because of the tip rolling issues, I am still not entirely ready to address the ES5 comparison. I am still working to coax the maximum performance from the Heaven VI. The Heaven VI has an advantage in timbre. (I want to use timbrel but still not sure that I would apply it correctly.) The Heaven VI competes for the best timbre that I have heard in a headphone (within my limited but slowly growing experience), matched or perhaps exceeded only by the 1601SC. The PF X is super-sweet too but the exaggerated thickness of the mids makes it an entirely different monster in my view. Its timbrel qualities are part of something bigger. (Hah, I believe that I did it.)

 

I think that for the Heaven VI to truly match or even exceed the ES5 across the board, it would have to render detail in the soundstage with equal grace and precision. I believe that it has the grace part anyway. The ES5 also has a certain layered 3D quality that probably reflects its multiple armatures. I am not sure yet that the Heaven VI matches that. The Heaven VI does have a nice coherence. I also agree on the imaging.

 

So jury still out, Chris. I am loving the Heaven VI though.  


Edited by cooperpwc - 6/6/13 at 6:17pm
post #2140 of 6690

Hi guys,

 

When I was a child of only a few hundred posts back in 2005, I would look upon the Headphoneus Supremus with their infinite wisdom and envy their stately status. I thought they knew everything. 

 

Now that I have reached that point, I realize I have just hit the tip of the iceberg on my knowledge. Reaching this status doesn't mean what it used to, but I still want to make the post here, my favorite thread. Filled with brilliant people, brilliant music, and brilliant discourse. This thread is my alcove of like-minded people. People that have purposely stretched their imaginations and questioned what high-end audio even is. We've stripped it down and built it back up. I've learned more here in this thread because of these people, and because of the fantastic products that brought them together, than anywhere else on HF put together. What I've learned here has changed my paradigm of high-end audio forever. 

 

So cheers to you

post #2141 of 6690
Quote:
Originally Posted by cravenz View Post

 

The FAD PF X is universal, but not universal all at the same time ;)

 

Meet is over. Just got home, and there will be some pictures up in the Singapore meet thread. 

 

Waiting for your review, I just wanted to know is it worth the buck as this one is more expensive than most of all the flagship brands of CIEM that I can think of...............................................eek.gif

 

Really, I can't think of any CIEM which is more ex than the FAD PF X............................................rolleyes.gif

post #2142 of 6690

Something weird just happened.

 

I've been listening to music for hours, thinking that I had my Heaven IV on.

Took them out of the ears - surprise,surprise - it's Zero Audio Carbo Basso DX210 with MH1C tips.

 

I never mistook any other earphone for Heaven IV, but the Basso has a very tight bass and great mids, totally unexpected for a 72$ IEM.

Only took ~300 hours to break them in smily_headphones1.gif Initially the bass was too boomy and the mids were recessed, but now...

 

Does anyone else have both of them? Please tell me I'm not going crazy!

post #2143 of 6690
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

Hi guys,

 

When I was a child of only a few hundred posts back in 2005, I would look upon the Headphoneus Supremus with their infinite wisdom and envy their stately status. I thought they knew everything. 

 

Now that I have reached that point, I realize I have just hit the tip of the iceberg on my knowledge. Reaching this status doesn't mean what it used to, but I still want to make the post here, my favorite thread. Filled with brilliant people, brilliant music, and brilliant discourse. This thread is my alcove of like-minded people. People that have purposely stretched their imaginations and questioned what high-end audio even is. We've stripped it down and built it back up. I've learned more here in this thread because of these people, and because of the fantastic products that brought them together, than anywhere else on HF put together. What I've learned here has changed my paradigm of high-end audio forever. 

 

So cheers to you

 

tumblr_mcz617rSy01r38j04o1_500.gif

post #2144 of 6690
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

Hi guys,

When I was a child of only a few hundred posts back in 2005, I would look upon the Headphoneus Supremus with their infinite wisdom and envy their stately status. I thought they knew everything. 

Now that I have reached that point, I realize I have just hit the tip of the iceberg on my knowledge. Reaching this status doesn't mean what it used to, but I still want to make the post here, my favorite thread. Filled with brilliant people, brilliant music, and brilliant discourse. This thread is my alcove of like-minded people. People that have purposely stretched their imaginations and questioned what high-end audio even is. We've stripped it down and built it back up. I've learned more here in this thread because of these people, and because of the fantastic products that brought them together, than anywhere else on HF put together. What I've learned here has changed my paradigm of high-end audio forever. 

So cheers to you

I count you as one of the more valuable members of the community Chris. Who's thoughts and hearing I have come to trust over time and know to be balanced and true. Congratulations oh supreme being! biggrin.gif
post #2145 of 6690

Ha! Thanks guys! Ian, I appreciate that. It means alot coming from you, whom I also respect and trust. 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post

 

Because of the tip rolling issues, I am still not entirely ready to address the ES5 comparison. 

 

Fair enough man. I eagerly await your opinion. 

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Headphones, Earphones and In-Ear Monitors › Final Audio Design Impressions and Discussion Thread