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post #1651 of 4404
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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

The -db is also connectable to a computer, so I can control the output level to the DAC. And yes, I just plug straight in to the DAC. Sounds great!

 

I was talking to David, the head guy over at Cypher Labs that makes the -db. He said the -db output is still amplified. He said there are three Op amps in the -db. He said something like the SR-71B could have 8 or more Op Amps. 

 

Just seems to me, the less the music has to go through, the better the output. But since DACs are amplified to a certain degree anyway, you may as well modify the sound with whatever coloration synergizes best via your amp. 

 

Very interesting. Surprised that the DAC amplifies that much but not surprised that certain amps aren't optimal. I have bought and sold several quite popular portable amps that just didn't 'do it' for me.

post #1652 of 4404

Also...I came up with this creation this evening. Usual caveats.

 

 

post #1653 of 4404
Wow! Nice! What's the background??
post #1654 of 4404

oh I see. It's the side of a glass 

post #1655 of 4404

Hi SoundFreaq!

 

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Electronics dudes, tell me what's up here. 

 

At the end of the day, an amp, no matter how good it is, is still more electronics for the music to go through. Great amps still impart their coloration. Some may prefer that. But for the cleanest and clearest sound, isn't plugging in straight to your source, and bypassing an amp completely, the best option? I can plug my IEMs into my CLAS -db and have plenty of power to spare. And my Heaven VI sounds cleaner, more detailed, and more transparent to me than the warm sonic signature my SR-71B is imparting to the music. 

 

But what about impedance and voltage. That has to be a factor here in the line-out of the -db. 

 

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Oh yes, synergy is very important. That's why I am sure I will end up with some Analog^2 Paper equipment sooner than later.

 

The -db is also connectable to a computer, so I can control the output level to the DAC. And yes, I just plug straight in to the DAC. Sounds great!

 

I was talking to David, the head guy over at Cypher Labs that makes the -db. He said the -db output is still amplified. He said there are three Op amps in the -db. He said something like the SR-71B could have 8 or more Op Amps. 

 

Just seems to me, the less the music has to go through, the better the output. But since DACs are amplified to a certain degree anyway, you may as well modify the sound with whatever coloration synergizes best via your amp. 

 

Ray Samuels' amps aren't known for being neutral, and the SR71B is no exception.

 

If you love the way things sound with your IEMs plugged straight into the DAC, it's all good, as we say in Texas, but my understanding is that you're actually reducing the bit depth as you bring the "volume" down with software controls - amp or no amp.  This translates to lowering the ceiling on your dynamics.  Careful A/B testing (with and without a volume-matched amp) would probably reveal itself with 16-bit tracks that have a lot of recorded dynamics, but you'd be less vulnerable with 24-bit (or higher?) recordings.

 

Lastly, I'd stay clear of using inefficient, high impedance phones without an amp, as they might hurt your DAC. 

 

I'm with Woodcans in recommending you try a Meier Audio Stepdance, a 2Stepance, or Quickstep - they are spectacularly neutral and transparent - as Cooperpwc, and Ianmedium would most likely agree.  

 

The good new here is that you're not trying to fix a sonic problem, so I can respect a decision to leave well enough alone.  Don't fix what ain't broken, right?

 

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post #1656 of 4404
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Hi SoundFreaq!

 

 

 

I'm with Woodcans in recommending you try a Meier Audio Stepdance, a 2Stepance, or Quickstep - they are spectacularly neutral and transparent - as Cooperpwc, and Ianmedium would most likely agree.  

 

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Indeed, those Meier amps are hard to beat. Crisp, neutral and black as night even with the sensitive Piano Fortes. I use it as a desktop amp for my low impedance FAD headphones. It has an excess of power - and battery power is good.

 

(I have a Pico Power on the way and I will report back on how it drives the FADs. However I do not expect to be retiring the Stepdance. It's just fun to have options. Lord knows the Stepdance has paid its keep many times over.)


Edited by cooperpwc - 5/10/13 at 9:09pm
post #1657 of 4404
I would most certainly agree on the Meier amps and as I said to Mike the other day my TU-05 is like a tube version of the Meier amps!
post #1658 of 4404
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Dun dun dun!

 

Pandora VI and IV

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#spottedonfacebookcoverageofthefujiyaavicshow

 

 

post #1659 of 4404
^^ still prototypes, but I hope to review them when they get officially released.
I'm waiting for my first FAD experience, some heaven VI's are on their way to me, will be reviewing them :-)
post #1660 of 4404

I doubt those are prototypes, as the release date is set for later this month. More likely the design work is finished, and those are preproduction units.

post #1661 of 4404

I've seen pictures of the prototypes (don't have them on my computer, they were on someone else's), and they definitely didn't look like this.

post #1662 of 4404
Oh, cool didn't realise they were coming out so soon. I had talked to hifiheadphones who have good contact with FAD and he sent me a picture of those and said they were still prototypes, and if you looked closely they were still under development, still not quite finished.
post #1663 of 4404

Last night's warmth

 

 

 

post #1664 of 4404

Nice. A combination truly greater than the sum of its parts!

post #1665 of 4404

Thanks! Above is untouched, as you've set that precedent. And I totally agree with that. Only purity for the PFIX. Having said that, I added a bit of warmth as I felt appropriate for the feeling of the photo. 

 

 

 

PS. What other line of headphones inspires such artistic evocations? In word, in photo, in music, in intellectual discourse that is not science based, but seeded in an emotional revelation few understand.

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